Why is the GOP so afraid of Putin?

Oceanborn said:

I will not discuss education in this thread since that's another topic altogether and it has nothing to do with the OP. However, economic growth rates are gradually slowing each decade. Debt is increasing as corporations, individuals and the government continue to borrow thus maintaining the illusion of economic growth. The US government has 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities... future entitlements such as medicare and social security for example. The United States recorded a government debt equivalent to 105.40 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2017. These facts may be hard to accept, but it's true. The American dream is an illusion.

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Oceanborn said:

This recent development demonstrates that Russia's objective is to ensure chaos within the US government and to discredit its leaders. Foreign policy remains largely unchanged no matter which party is in control. It is unlikely that Russia prefers either Hillary Clinton or President Trump.

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Vox said:

The investigation was always a "no-win" situation.

There was no collusion so they can't get Trump.

They can accuse all the Russians they want, but since they can't extradite and charge them the whole exercise is a joke.

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It's just a dog and pony show for the idiots who are still butt hurt from Clinton's loss.

Isn't it time for even the most profoundly brain and butt damaged Liberals to admit this?

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Checkerboard Strangler said:

The meat of it right here ^^^^.
Their own view of responsibility, accountability, strength and even masculinity is so distorted by their own massive insecurities that they cannot comprehend simple good character and "heart" when they see it. Their standard view of masculinity is often nearly a cartoon character, over the top aggressive, belligerent, swaggering, bragadocious, bullheaded and hostile.

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OscarLevant said:

No, not a joke at all;' the Mueller indictment of Russians is of strategic value to the investigation and a value to our nation. It limits the movements of the Oligarchs and officers, both physically and financially, of all the Russian's indicted. If Trump doesn't ask Putin to remand the Russians indicted into US Custody at his next meeting, it will expose him as being derelict in his duty, and that has strategic value if Mueller is building a case against Trump, and dereliction is one of the components, noting that the indictments have substance, and are warranted.

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Vox said:

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

No.

The investigation is a joke and so is your post.

Putin will just say the accusations are a lie and that will be the end of it.

Putin won't give up any of his people. Would we send our people over to Russia to go on trial if the Russians accused them of some crime?

LOL!

And..........What would you have Trump do anyway?

Go to war over the wails of butt-hurt Democrats still whining about the election they lost?

Seriously. The investigation is a joke and nothing anybody can do can give it any credibility.

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jnug said:

None of it is a joke. I would say the perspective expressed in your post is however sad......if not outright disgusting. But it really does not matter. Soon enough there will be enough evidence for real Americans to understand the threat posed by other Americans conspiring with foreighers regarding our elections. There will still be those insisting there is nothing to see here even at that point. Frankly I could care less. As I have often said in these pages it is easy enough to convince 20% of the people of just about anything. That hard core 20% represents not so much opinion as something approaching if not entirely cultism. So I fully expect even when all of the evidence is laid out Trump's support will not fall below 20%.

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Vox said:

"Soon enough there will be enough evidence......."

"Soon."

:waiting:

"Soon."

:waiting:

"Soon."

:waiting:

:rofl:

We've been hearing "soon" for over a YEAR.

:lamo

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jnug said:

Hummmm...The GOP ran a Bengazi investigation for 2.5 years and found NOTHING. Muellers team has convictions and indictments and is just rolling along. But as I posted earlier, there are those that will not be convinced of anything that conflicts with their pre-determined views which is about the very definition of a cult.

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Vox said:

Muellers team has NOTHING.......Zilch.......NADA........on Trump.

But don't let reality bother you.........you just keep on dreaming your butt-hurt fantasies.

:mrgreen:

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jnug said:

You mean the trump that already admited to having put together that phony press release about the Trump Tower meeting..that Trump? Patience .......patience. You're the one living a fantasy. If any of you had the begining of a clue how this Government, this system of norms and laws combined actually works, you would be rightfully concerned. But you don't have a clue...do you! Whats worse, you don't even care. You don't care what flag is flying overhead and you look on gleefully as Trump drags this one through the mud. As long as what is below whatever flag is flying is the cockamamy mess you want to create all the while convincing yourselves that THIS is what the Founders intended. You just don't care what gets wrecked in the process. Keep dreamin'. Trump will end up a glitch in history...a footnote and a sorry one at that.

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Vox said:

Keep on whining.......you're amusing.

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independentusa said:

We now have GOPers coming out and saying that what the Russian's did to our election is nothing new and we should just move on and drop the whole investigation. I thought this was all about saving Trump, but now I wonder after learning that the Russian'a not only hacked the Dem, they also hacked the RNC. So what info did the Russian's get from that hack and are they using it against the GOP. And even more interesting is the fact that many of the GOP candidates in the 2016 election got Russian money passed to them from intermediaries like the NRA and so called Americans with dual citizenship, i.e., American/Russian.. So it makes me wonder just what the Russian's and Putin have on members of the GOP and is this, even more than their desire to protect Trump, why they are pushing so hard to end an investigation that might lead back to some of the GOP members.

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Moot said:

List of GOP defectors who went to Moscow on INDEPENDENCE DAY...

Sen. Richard Shelby (R) Alabama

Sen. John Kennedy (R) Louisiana

Sen. John Hoeven (R) North Dakota

Sen. Jerry Moran (R) Kansas

Sen. Steve Daines (R) Montana

Sen. John Thune (R) South Dakota

Sen. Ron Johnson (R) Wisconsin

Rep. Kay Granger (R) Texas​

It played well in Russia...but not so much here at home...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...ffcabeff946_story.html?utm_term=.2af2e7ffdd79

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Vox said:

LOL!

A dozen Russians that they (luckily for them) can't bring to the U.S. for trial.

So......basically......nothing.


Trump is laughing.

I am too.

:mrgreen:

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LincolnRossiter said:

It’ll take a longer post than I want to make on my phone (and I want to watch the World Cup final anyway) so I’ll re-engage. Suffice it to say that Putin has long had some allure with certain segments of the population. I used to post on Stormfront as an “anti” (anti White Nationalist) and they revered Putin and Russia as a symbol of western and white strength and resolve in the face of what they perceived to be growing weakness and effiminancy among the traditional western powers, and encroachment by non-Westerners (see Europe’s immigration/demographic “crisis”). To be clear, I’m not calling the GOP politicians you alluded to WNs, but one has to assume that those who have taken the velveted glove approach to Putin (a minority outside Trump’s inner circle) are responding to some queues within their base. And that base is now noted for its sympathies with nationalism (white or otherwise) and populism.

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Now, after two decades in the economic basket, Russia is decisively back as an ideological force in the world — this time as a champion of conservative values. In his annual state of the nation speech to Russia’s parliament in December, Vladimir Putin assured conservatives around the world that Russia was ready and willing to stand up for ‘family values’ against a tide of liberal, western, pro-gay propaganda ‘that asks us to accept without question the equality of good and evil’. Russia, he promised, will ‘defend traditional values that have made up the spiritual and moral foundation of civilisation in every nation for thousands of years’. Crucially, Putin made it clear that his message was directed not only at Russians — who have already been protected from ‘promotion of non-traditional relationships’ by recent legislation — but for ‘more and more people across the world who support our position’.

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jnug said:

Laughing...and I suppose you think laughing is what a patriot would be doing right now. Typical....Government as entertainment for a meaningless, self aggrandizing life.

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Barnacle said:

Don't forget the traitor to the GOP Christians, Pompeo, who went to NK over Easter.

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iguanaman said:

Yes. A few years ago James Buchanan wrote a piece declaring that Putin now held the moral "high ground" in the world mostly because of his anti- gay, anti-women's rights stance. It appears the some Conservatives have opted to make a deal with the devil in order to further their regressionist social agenda. Apparently "little" things like democracy and freedom of speech and the press are no longer important to them if it means they will have to accept gay marriages. It's about insane as it can get but there it is.



https://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/putins-masterplan/

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veritas1 said:

When Mueller comes up with nothing, you'll start saying how Mueller has been compromised, too. It's like predicting sunrise.

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HowardBThiname said:

I think some of that is pretty easy to understand.

The GOP has taken a skeptical approach to Russia since the end of the Cold War, despite Reagan's push. While the democrats tried over the decades to form closer ties with Russia, the GOP held back.

That all began to change in 2013, when the US and the EU funded the ouster of a duly elected Ukrainian president, which eventually let to the Crimea seceding and then voting overwhelmingly to join Russia.

That was not the liberals' plan and it upset them badly. Instead of taking any responsibility for meddling in the Ukrainian leadership, they immediately blamed Russia -- they even went so far as to demand the Crimea not secede. At this point, the GOP is still seeing Russia though guarded eyes.

But....when Russia decided to **** with our election, ostensibly in retaliation for what the Obama Administration did with the sanctions, the GOP began to look at Putin in a more favorable light -- because he was coming down on the side of the GOP and he was flipping the democrats the bird.

And that trend has continued the past couple of years, so naturally, the GOP is going to warm more to Russia. And the democrats will go the other direction. Had Russia stumped for Hillary -- we'd be seeing very different survey numbers right now.

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AlbqOwl said:

What GOPers are those doing that? I confess I am unaware.

Now there are those who think we shouldn't use the investigation as a ploy to bring down the President.

There are those who think this is nothing new in the computer age, and the Russian plus a host of others, probably including Americans somewhere, are constantly trying to hack systems, meddle, create chaos, etc. etc. wherever they can find a vulnerability.

There are those who think creating crimes to charge people with is not what we should be all about.

I haven't heard a soul that think such should not be investigated, but we need a special counsel to tell us all that? The billions we already spend on professional law enforcement in the FBI, NSC, et al doesn't produce the caliber of expertise that could do that without spending many millions more on a special counsel?

The most valuable thing the special counsel has produced so far was an entirely unintended expose' of the bias and corruption on the 7th floor of the FBI. Some people are out of there now that never should have been there in the first place. (Much to the chagrin of the special counsel no doubt.)

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DamnYankee said:

Leftists and their theory of Russia, Russia, Russia, DJT collusion, has always been an off the wall conspiracy theory. That's probably why most decent normal Americans have moved on, they get it while the left is still mired in wearing vagina hats and behaving like deranged lunatics. Then again what's new in that regard?

I see nothing has really changed around DP. lol

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Oceanborn said:

The US economy was practically on its deathbed. Unemployment was high and economic growth was at an all time low... the slowest recovery in US history. President Trump has many faults, but he is a business man and he knows how to broker a deal. Russia, for its part, is a strong competitor to the US and commands respect. Having a productive relationship with Russia is in US best interests. This Soviet Era mistrust and hatred of Russia is not productive and it could in fact be dangerous. Russia is surrounded by UN and NATO forces. The US bombs Syria based on little to no evidence of actual gas attacks from Assad. Additional sanctions have been placed on Russia due to the supposed attacks in the UK against a former spy, and yet by all accounts, if this was actually Novichok the person would be dead before they hit the ground. Russian experts were not allowed to examine the evidence. President Trump is trying to prevent a war with Russia. He can only do this by working with them.

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