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Please be the nominee, Liz...however, your "super delegates" won't allow it!

veritas1 said:
Don't count out Hill running again to "save" the party. She's arrogant and deluded enough to do so. The question is whether the Democrats have another death wish.
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Wishful thinking from you and others. You all claim the libs cannot get over Nov 2016, it seems like calling the kettle black. Your Hillary obsession borders on pathological.
 
jimbo said:
We won. That's the goal of an election. Who's the insane ones?

BTW by our side winning, your side lost. The establishment side lost. There might be a lesson to be learned, and the lesson is not Trump bad.
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Winning does not make one the good guy's, seems deep thinking in not your forte.
My side? LOL, I voted overwhelmingly for Republicans in 2016, just ignored the two unfit candidates for the Whitehouse. Oh an trump has proven time and time he is bad for the Nation, some of did not have to put him in office to know that truth.
 
i'd recommend that the Democrats run someone new and exciting against the fool. the stakes are high, and we have one shot to vote this asshole out. Warren probably wouldn't be my pick at this point, though i will vote for most candidates if it means voting against Trump.
 
Greenbeard said:
Not to mention in both those cases their Dem successor candidate won the popular vote. The GOP has won the popular vote only twice in the past eight presidential elections.
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How lame! When the anti-Trump election network finally called the election for Trump he was not only solidly ahead in the electoral vote
tabulations he was aloso ahead in the popular vote tally. So the California voters who gave Mrs. Clinton a 4 million vote plurality was
entirely irrelevant. Cals 55 electoral votes were already scored for Hillary when CNN called the election it was over.

A year and a half after the election & the fact that this lame excuse is still vibrating in the minds of some is hilarious
 
Casper said:
Winning does not make one the good guy's, seems deep thinking in not your forte.
My side? LOL, I voted overwhelmingly for Republicans in 2016, just ignored the two unfit candidates for the Whitehouse. Oh an trump has proven time and time he is bad for the Nation, some of did not have to put him in office to know that truth.
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An opinion attempting to masquerade as fact.
 
yankintx said:
Warren has not given any indication of a run in 2020. She is up for the Senate seat reelection this Nov, and that is her focus
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https://www.5dimes.eu/BbGameSelection.asp

Elizabeth Warren fills up a Statement of Candidacy and/or a Statement of Organization of an exploratory committee for the office of president with the Federal Election Commission.
Sun 11/10 703 E.Warren runs for US Pres in 2020 -175
8:00AM 704 E.Warren not a candidate for President +135
 
Casper said:
Past, notice you left out couple of Dem big winners, Clinton and Obama, both of which win twice, something trump will never do. Works for me.
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They were exceptions. In fact, the super delegates screwed hildebeast in 2008.
 
late said:
Fascism has a meaning. It doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

I realise you're just a superficial troll, that's for the peanut gallery that needs help figuring out Trump has most of the traits of fascism.

Dems, not so much. The big difference is that the kids are tired of Dems that are really Republicans, and plan on changing that.
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"fascism
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.
1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
The use of militarism was implied only as a means to accomplish one of the three above principles, mainly to keep the people and rest of the world in line. Fascist countries are known for their harmony and lack of internal strife. There are no conflicting parties or elections in fascist countries."
 
Moderate Right said:
Personally, I think moderators should police everyone who purposely and intentionally misrepresents their lean or just get rid of the lean altogether. I rarely see it on the right but the left seem to have this notion that if you aren't a full blown socialist then you are some kind of moderate/centrist. I have also seen many on the left claim they are conservative or very conservative. I don't know why anyone on either side can't be honest enough to represent themselves as accurately as possible.
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The lefters on here certainly deny the fact that they're socialists/fascists who believe that the state is more important than the individual.
 
Fishking said:
Lest we forget recent history, the GOP invalidated, illegally, multiple delegates of Ron Paul and then, when Ron Paul still gained enough delegates to go to the GOP convention as a candidate, the GOP changed the rules and doubled the number of required delegates.

This is just one example. Both parties don't seem to particularly like rules or democracy if the results turn out in ways they don't like.
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So you're okay with the heavy handedness of the dnc?
 
itsforthekids said:
The difference is, Trump won! Mondale, Humphrey, McGovern ALL got smoked! as did hildebeast!

What else you got? LOL
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Be honest and change your lean.
 
For all their flaws, and there are many, Dems do not want to turn us into a wretched banana republic. Trump would burn the country to the ground, so long as he could rule over the ashes.
 
chuckiechan said:
Well they did run Bob Dole - The Viagra Candidate! "Get the Vote UP for BOB!
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Bob Dole would have been a million times better than Trump.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
How did Goldwater do? Didn't he run against the Civil Rights Act? It can't understand why Blacks didn't vote Republican.

Nixon was also a big win for Republicans. Trump will make the second Republican president forced to resign due to corruption.
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Very different...he ran against an incumbent not too long after the assassination of jfk...
 
yankintx said:
Wishful thinking from you and others. You all claim the libs cannot get over Nov 2016, it seems like calling the kettle black. Your Hillary obsession borders on pathological.
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Why would I obsess over somebody who lost and would lose again? You must have me confused with someone else.
 
late said:
For all their flaws, and there are many, Dems do not want to turn us into a wretched banana republic. Trump would burn the country to the ground, so long as he could rule over the ashes.
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If lefters were in charge for long periods of time, we would certainly be a banana republic. Look at fdr for instance...
 
itsforthekids said:
They were exceptions. In fact, the super delegates screwed hildebeast in 2008.
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Nope not exceptions. True, just like dividing up the nomination voting between a dozen candidates managed to help trump get the nomination, reminder he was getting 35% of the Repub support, meaning.... around 65% of Republican voters supported someone else. Always best to view the entire picture.
 
itsforthekids said:
So, it appears that liz warren will be running. Will the dems "super delegates" allow this wacko to be the nominee, or will they stop her as they did Bernie? How does it feel to know that your party feels so much disdain for your ability to choose a sane candidate, that they put a group of unelected officials in place to govern your choice of candidate?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/opinions/superdelegates-democratic-party-kohn/index.html

"Any liberal who has ever been at a protest march for social justice has heard the popular chant: "This is what democracy looks like!" Well, superdelegates are definitely not what democracy looks like. Anything but."

"Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don't have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists."
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Liz would make a wonderful candidate. Too bad she wasn't the D candidate in 2016.
 
jimbo said:
How did the GOP invalidate, illegally, multiple Paul delegates?
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They blocked them in some cases and in other cases they just outright invalidated them.

https://www.dailyrecord.com/story/opinion/letters/2016/04/14/gop-cheated-ron-paul/82995248/

Prior to the commencement of the 2012 convention in Tampa, the Rules Committee found ways to de-credential Paul delegates whom he won fairly and under each state's party rules. The RNC Rules Committee further changed the rules by increasing the threshold in the number of states in which a candidate must have a plurality of delegates — from five to eight — in order for a presidential candidate’s name to be placed in nomination. Prior to that rule change, the threshold was clearly met by Paul, Romney’s only real competitor at the convention. All the documentation exists in the second edition of a book titled America's Lost Opportunity: Stolen Victories 2012. It's not surprising what is happening now. In 2012, it happened, but the media prevented the public from fully knowing all the facts.
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itsforthekids said:
So you're okay with the heavy handedness of the dnc?
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Nope...It's horrible. I'd say it was worse in some ways than what the GOP did to Ron Paul but what the GOP did was also unacceptable.
 
jimbo said:
Illegally?
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There's no such thing as "illegally" in what the different parties do. They can do w/e they want all the way up to just picking whoever they want for w/e reason, even if 100% of the voters picked someone else. I think people forget that the parties are actually just private political clubs.
 
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