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    Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    Twice in the 21st century, NATO has come to the U.S. aid:

    To hear Trump tell it, one'd think the U.S. gets nothing from its NATO membership.
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    Re: Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Twice in the 21st century, NATO has come to the U.S. aid:

    To hear Trump tell it, one'd think the U.S. gets nothing from its NATO membership.
    NATO responded in Afghanistan, too. It was the only time that NATO mutual defense has been invoked.
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    Re: Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    So, in this week wherein Trump attended the NATO summit, we've heard more of his vitriol, yet did he at all acknowledge -- literally, contextually, tonally, allusively, or some other way -- that the only beneficiary of NATO's "to harm one is to harm all" doctrine has been the U.S? Nope.
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    Re: Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    So, in this week wherein Trump attended the NATO summit, we've heard more of his vitriol, yet did he at all acknowledge -- literally, contextually, tonally, allusively, or some other way -- that the only beneficiary of NATO's "to harm one is to harm all" doctrine has been the U.S? Nope.
    This is all about Trump's base. Many of his base hate Europe, even more than they dislike Russia. And at least the GOP in Congress said enough and backed NATO. I really don't think Trump cares about the country or the harm he is doing to us economically or internationally. All he cares about is his base and how they see things.

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    Re: Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    This is all about Trump's base. Many of his base hate Europe, even more than they dislike Russia. And at least the GOP in Congress said enough and backed NATO. I really don't think Trump cares about the country or the harm he is doing to us economically or internationally. All he cares about is his base and how they see things.
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    Re: Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Twice in the 21st century, NATO has come to the U.S. aid:

    To hear Trump tell it, one'd think the U.S. gets nothing from its NATO membership.
    With the amount of money we've spent on NATO over the decades, they'd BETTER come to our defense.

    But that doesn't mean we STILL have to foot the lion's share of the bill.
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    Re: Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    This is all about Trump's base. Many of his base hate Europe, even more than they dislike Russia. And at least the GOP in Congress said enough and backed NATO. I really don't think Trump cares about the country or the harm he is doing to us economically or internationally. All he cares about is his base and how they see things.
    I do think he's essentially a popularity seeker....he's been that since he was a boy, and only of late has he really received a measure of the approbation he thought he deserved.
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    Re: Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    With the amount of money we've spent on NATO over the decades, they'd BETTER come to our defense.

    But that doesn't mean we STILL have to foot the lion's share of the bill.

    About 4 years ago, Germany's military was stranded everywhere, when they were supposed to support us.

    Their constitution does not allow them to actively engage in a "fight" - unless it is for defense of their country, so they've been acting more as a support "army" (sometimes they reminded me of the White Helmets).
    Anyway, around 2014 Germany's "military secretary" had a fit about the lack of funding for the Bundeswehr. 2/3 of their helicopters were unusable, planes were stranded half-way to their destination because of maintenance problems. In addition to:

    "... while Ukrainian troops were battling pro-Russian separatists on the eastern edges of Europe, a German battalion participated in a NATO exercise in Norway. They didn’t have any weapons with them, but the German army, the Bundeswehr, has long been used to shortages of equipment. So the soldiers knew what to do: They took a broomstick, painted it black, and holstered it to the vehicle where a gun should have gone.

    ... the Bundeswehr unit currently operating the Patriot missile defense system in Turkey is literally eating into its own inventory. Because certain replacement parts are unavailable, the military is being forced to cannibalize equipment based in Germany in order to keep the Turkey-based Patriots in operation. The Patriots are being used to defend Turkey from possible cross-border attacks in the Syrian civil war.

    ... Already, the defense minister has been forced to concede that Germany will not reach its 2014 NATO Defense Planning Process targets for its airborne systems. In the event of an Article 5 attack on a NATO member state -- in the Baltics, for example -- the Bundeswehr has pledged to make 60 Eurofighters available, but it is currently incapable of supplying them. If the allies come knocking at Germany's door for greater engagement in northern Iraq or Africa, the Bundeswehr won't be able to deliver there either. Indeed, it's possible that the world's fourth largest industrial nation and global leader in exports wouldn't even be able to provide six fighter jets to a US-led coalition in northern Iraq."


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    Re: Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    About 4 years ago, Germany's military was stranded everywhere, when they were supposed to support us.

    Their constitution does not allow them to actively engage in a "fight" - unless it is for defense of their country, so they've been acting more as a support "army" (sometimes they reminded me of the White Helmets).
    Anyway, around 2014 Germany's "military secretary" had a fit about the lack of funding for the Bundeswehr. 2/3 of their helicopters were unusable, planes were stranded half-way to their destination because of maintenance problems. In addition to:

    "... while Ukrainian troops were battling pro-Russian separatists on the eastern edges of Europe, a German battalion participated in a NATO exercise in Norway. They didn’t have any weapons with them, but the German army, the Bundeswehr, has long been used to shortages of equipment. So the soldiers knew what to do: They took a broomstick, painted it black, and holstered it to the vehicle where a gun should have gone.

    ... the Bundeswehr unit currently operating the Patriot missile defense system in Turkey is literally eating into its own inventory. Because certain replacement parts are unavailable, the military is being forced to cannibalize equipment based in Germany in order to keep the Turkey-based Patriots in operation. The Patriots are being used to defend Turkey from possible cross-border attacks in the Syrian civil war.

    ... Already, the defense minister has been forced to concede that Germany will not reach its 2014 NATO Defense Planning Process targets for its airborne systems. In the event of an Article 5 attack on a NATO member state -- in the Baltics, for example -- the Bundeswehr has pledged to make 60 Eurofighters available, but it is currently incapable of supplying them. If the allies come knocking at Germany's door for greater engagement in northern Iraq or Africa, the Bundeswehr won't be able to deliver there either. Indeed, it's possible that the world's fourth largest industrial nation and global leader in exports wouldn't even be able to provide six fighter jets to a US-led coalition in northern Iraq."


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    “We have mobilized 65 countries to go after ISIL,” ... if they were all like Germany it was no wonder ISIS was winning.
    Germany is kind of a special case with regard to war and going to war. They made those laws because they have something you lack. Insight. Self awareness. They don't want something that happened twice before to happen again, because it ends badly for a lot of people.
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    Re: Things Trump's NATO vitriol never mentions

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Twice in the 21st century, NATO has come to the U.S. aid:

    To hear Trump tell it, one'd think the U.S. gets nothing from its NATO membership.
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