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Harvard's racism against Asians

independentusa said:
SO you are saying that blacks can't be the best of those, even if they come from a tough neighborhood ? Are you saying that kids from the middle of the country or from the far west aren't among the best. That is the reason for getting a diverse group, so you can find the best. Many of these same schools give the right to kids whose parents went to Harvard or Yale the right to admit, even if they are not in the top of those who apply. Are you saying they shouldn't get in, that a school may only use grades and test scores? If a school wants to use whatever means they wish to get a diverse student body, they should be able to do so.
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Not if they're talking federal funding or state funding. Discrimination, especially something so nasty as discrimination based on race, should never be funded by the taxpayers.
 
independentusa said:
SO you are saying that blacks can't be the best of those, even if they come from a tough neighborhood ? Are you saying that kids from the middle of the country or from the far west aren't among the best. That is the reason for getting a diverse group, so you can find the best. Many of these same schools give the right to kids whose parents went to Harvard or Yale the right to admit, even if they are not in the top of those who apply. Are you saying they shouldn't get in, that a school may only use grades and test scores? If a school wants to use whatever means they wish to get a diverse student body, they should be able to do so.
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Not saying that at all. Getting diversity doesn't guarantee getting the best. You take the best, period, regardless of who they are. I don't think kids of alumni should be favored, either, if they aren't among the best.
 
yankintx said:
You mean like Trump getting into Wharton based on his family and the Alumni system ? Is that not the wealthy getting in not on there abilities, but on who there brother maybe ?
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It very well may be.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
How, exactly, is race/ethnicity based AA helping white or Asian folks get out of their cycle of poverty? The poverty rate may be higher for some 'racial' groups (blacks and Hispanics of any race) but the largest number of the poor (by race/enthnicty) in the US are, in fact, white (non-Hispanic) which number over 17M folks.

U.S. Poverty Statistics - Federal Safety Net
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The fact that there is not an unequal enforcement of laws , or equal access to opportunities, or even the same charges given for teh same actions make a big difference

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/black-men-sentenced-time-white-men-crime-study/story?id=51203491

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/...achr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Why do Blacks from Africa and the Caribbean do better?

Could it be that their family and culture wasn’t crushed by slavery and segregation?

Anyway, the OP is not about Black, it’s about Asians who are over represented in the Ivy League not underrepresented.

Everyone assumes that college admittance has to be some competition. There are programs like charter schools where people get in by lottery. A school can admit people in whatever way they want.

What’s wrong with wanting a diverse campus? They also admit a certain number of foreign students. Is that unfair?

But no one complains about affirmative action that got GW Bush in Yale.


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How long will that be a valid argument? Another decade or two; a full century? Just curious.
 
RAMOSS said:
The fact that there is not an unequal enforcement of laws , or equal access to opportunities, or even the same charges given for teh same actions make a big difference

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/black-men-sentenced-time-white-men-crime-study/story?id=51203491

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/...achr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf
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Your argument seems to be that 'justice' demands that some random black kid replace some random non-black kid in a college classroom today (and in the future?) because of alleged racist acts by unknown and unnamed others in the past. That is possibly the most ridiculous idea imaginable. It is like a class action lawsuit settlement where no trial was held and one need not be either in the plaintiff class or in the defendent class to be included in the paying/receiving the settlement.

Essentially, this is AA being used as some bizarre form of reparations assuming that each black (whether they came from Kenya recently, went to a perfcty fine school or was ever discriminated against personally) is in the victim (plaintif?) class and each non-black (whether they came from France recently, went to a terrible school or ever discriminated against anyone) is in the perp (defendent?) class.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Your argument seems to be that 'justice' demands that some random black kid replace some random non-black kid in a college classroom today (and in the future?) because of alleged racist acts by unknown and unnamed others in the past. That is possibly the most ridiculous idea imaginable. It is like a class action lawsuit settlement where no trial was held and one need not be either in the plaintiff class or in the defendent class to be included in the paying/receiving the settlement.

Essentially, this is AA being used as some bizarre form of reparations assuming that each black (whether they came from Kenya recently, went to a perfcty fine school or was ever discriminated against personally) is in the victim (plaintif?) class and each non-black (whether they came from France recently, went to a terrible school or ever discriminated against anyone) is in the perp (defendent?) class.
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No, not at all. You do love to 1) Play the race card and 2) make straw man arguments.

Any reason you are picking the country Kenya?
 
RAMOSS said:
No, not at all. You do love to 1) Play the race card and 2) make straw man arguments.

Any reason you are picking the country Kenya?
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Are you kidding me? You post racial justice links and then say I played the race card when I respond. Yes, I picked Kenya because it is in Africa, has a mostly black population and Obama's immediate black ancestor (father) was from there. What is your argument for using race, rather than economic disadvantage, as a (the?) basis for AA?
 
HowardBThiname said:
Not if they're talking federal funding or state funding. Discrimination, especially something so nasty as discrimination based on race, should never be funded by the taxpayers.
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So it is okay to discriminate on region of the country or financial status? And you aren't discriminating, the court has already said you could use race as part of the choices the school makes as long as it is to get a diverse student body.
 
ecofarm said:
Plenty of successful black people come from nothing. Would you like a few names?
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exactly=time to end affirmative racism
 
TurtleDude said:
exactly=time to end affirmative racism
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One needs some grasp of systemic racism and the lingering impacts of slavery and segregation to understand why a people who until recently were property need a minute to get on their feet.
 
independentusa said:
So it is okay to discriminate on region of the country or financial status? And you aren't discriminating, the court has already said you could use race as part of the choices the school makes as long as it is to get a diverse student body.
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It's not okay to discriminate at all. That's the point. The idea that it's okay to take 50 SAT points away from a student who actually studied and earned them -- and then award 50 points to a student who did not -- is lunacy. And bigotry.

Besides, it hurts the minority student who was (naturally) 100 points behind the Asian student before the scores were changed. That minority student scored much lower and will be less likely to stand up to the academic rigors - meaning - he has a higher risk of dropout or failure.

This is proof positive that some of our top universities have no integrity.
 
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