Defense Contractor Will ‘Look Into’ White Supremacist It Allegedly Employs

JacksinPA said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...allegedly-employs_us_5b3e78b6e4b07b827cbea9fa

Northrop Grumman initially refused to offer comment on the news organizations’ report.

Defense contractor Northrop Grumman said Thursday that it is “taking immediate action to look into” a report that an employee with a government security clearance is active in a violent white supremacist group.

“We do not tolerate hatred or illegal conduct and we condemn racist activities in any shape or form,” the company said in a statement to HuffPost.
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This guy, Michael Miselis, was active in the Charlottesville, VA 'Unite the Right' rally & is a member of the Rise Above Movement, a Southern California group targeting immigrants, Muslims, Jews & liberals. And NG knows all about his activities yet has done nothing. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally.

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It's actually 'Unite the White' so, they got the name wrong ..................

JacksinPA said:

I have no opinions on the subject. But should a violent white supremacist with a security clearance be employed by a major military contractor? I would think that his activities would void that security clearance for a number of reasons.

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If the reports are correct, should he have a security clearance, no, but that's the job of the government not the employer. Once the government pulls his clearance, the other issues take care of themselves with respect to his employer.

It's that simple, actually. HuffPo is trying to make the company look bad for what the government missed when they issued him the clearance.

KevinKohler said:

Charlottesville.....that's the one where antifa guys were using blow torches, yes?

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Actually, it's the one where the white supremacist committed murder.

But you knew that already.....right?

KevinKohler said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but....I gotta ask the question, come hell or high water.....


Should all the active members of antifa be fired?

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They don't have jobs. They have a built in insolation from being fired because of their affiliation with ANTIFA.

JacksinPA said:

I think Maxine is a little over the top & should take a few deep breaths.

It's the FBI that vetts security clearances for the Government. I'm surprised this guy got through.

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There's thing? It's called The Constitution. It guarantees free speech and stuff.

JacksinPA said:

He was an active participant at the Charlottesville rally. The photo shows him with his hands taped like a boxer & holding an object that might be considered a club. He appears to be in a violent interaction with someone whose hand is raised as if pleading. And this guy got a security clearance to work at a major defense contractor.

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I think what he's holding is a sign or banner rolled up. If you look at it, there's tape at the top and bottom and you can see it's kind of fanning out at the bottom like rolled up paper would. It's also deformed where he's gripping it like paper would. No idea what it is, but It's not a club.

KevinKohler said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but....I gotta ask the question, come hell or high water.....


Should all the active members of antifa be fired?

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Well, vis-a-vis the OP content, that would depend on whether:

• "all the active members of Antifa" work at Northrop Grumman (NG), and
• "all the active members of Antifa" are lawbreakers or racists.

I suspect "all the active members of Antifa" don't work at NG and likely aren't racists or lawbreakers, so my answer to your question is "no."

Xelor said:

Well, vis-a-vis the OP content, that would depend on whether:

• "all the active members of Antifa" work at Northrop Grumman (NG), and
• "all the active members of Antifa" are lawbreakers or racists.

I suspect "all the active members of Antifa" don't work at NG and likely aren't racists or lawbreakers, so my answer to your question is "no."

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All the active members of that other hate group this dudes a member of are law breakers?

As for antifa, more than a few of them are racists, that's a fact. In addition, more than a few are law breakers. Also a fact.

And I'll go one step further...I'll bet my paycheck that if you were to randomly interview them, you'd have a real hard time finding a "rank and file" antifa member who can even provide an accurate description of what fascism is.

My point being, you can't judge people by the title of their groups, or by the people they associate with. To the OP, yeah, I'll wager this dude is a racist ****bag. That's my gut feeling. Being a racist ****bag isn't illegal, and, I'll wager, if you look at NGs employee requirements, no where does say being a racist ****bag is a fire able offense. They're a defense contractor, I get that. Sos the military, and there are plenty of racist ****bags in all of those branches. I'll wager there's a racist ****bag or 2 in the senate and congress. So, I guess my question is.....why should we be focusing on this one little old racist ****bag? What has he done that he should lose his job?

KevinKohler said:

All the active members of that other hate group this dudes a member of are law breakers?

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What? I'm not sure what corrections you need to make to that "sentence" so that it's comprehensible, but hopefully you do.

KevinKohler said:

All the active members of that other hate group this dudes a member of are law breakers?

As for antifa, more than a few of them are racists, that's a fact. In addition, more than a few are law breakers. Also a fact.

And I'll go one step further...I'll bet my paycheck that if you were to randomly interview them, you'd have a real hard time finding a "rank and file" antifa member who can even provide an accurate description of what fascism is.?

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Red:

• Fascism isn't illegal and isn't inextricably linked to hating or racism.
• That is a wager I wouldn't take because I think that if one randomly selected 1000 people and asked them each to accurately describe fascism, no five-in-a-row would do so.
• I can accurately describe Fascism and so can all my closest friends, but then none of us belong to Antifa or white supremacist groups, unless certain invitation-only social and country clubs strike you as being either.

JacksinPA said:

I have no opinions on the subject. But should a violent white supremacist with a security clearance be employed by a major military contractor? I would think that his activities would void that security clearance for a number of reasons.

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Why would membership in a group, any group, be grounds to fire somebody?

Is there any proof this man is violent, as you suggest here?

JacksinPA said:

I think Maxine is a little over the top & should take a few deep breaths.

It's the FBI that vetts security clearances for the Government. I'm surprised this guy got through.

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The FBI probably judged the man on his actions and not thought crimes.

JacksinPA said:

https://www.propublica.org/article/...ment-white-supremacist-group-northrop-grumman

He Is a Member of a Violent White Supremacist Group. So Why Is He Working for a Defense Contractor With a Security Clearance?
Michael Miselis took part in the violent Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. So far, it hasn’t damaged his standing at Northrop Grumman.
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They have him actively brawling on video tape. I think that satisfies the minimum requirements for being a 'violent white supremacist.'

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What violence has the group perpetrated in the last, say, 20 years?

JacksinPA said:

He was an active participant at the Charlottesville rally. The photo shows him with his hands taped like a boxer & holding an object that might be considered a club. He appears to be in a violent interaction with someone whose hand is raised as if pleading. And this guy got a security clearance to work at a major defense contractor.

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That picture should be enough to charge him with the crimes he committed.

When was that done?

Mason66 said:

Why would membership in a group, any group, be grounds to fire somebody?

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Poor reflection on the company. Right to association, discrimination on legal ground.

Well, the jerk has now been canned.


To the fact of his having been given the ol' sayonara, I say, "Good! And good riddance!"