President Trump floats the idea of invading Venezuela

President Trump floats the idea of invading Venezuela

According to new reporting from the Associated Press, President Trump floated the idea of invading Venezuela multiple times last summer. Chris Jansing speaks with the reporter who broke the story, Joshua Goodman, about if this idea was more than the president just speaking out loud.
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Add him to a growing list of Republican war mongers. We destabilized the Middle East by invading Iraq & Afghanistan, now we are going to destabilize S America.

I have no idea how SOUTHCOM would react if we do a full on invasion of Venezuela to make SOUTHCOM truly relevant.

CMPancake said:

I have no idea how SOUTHCOM would react if we do a full on invasion of Venezuela to make SOUTHCOM truly relevant.

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The situation on Venezuela is out of control from my perspective. Runaway inflation & shortages show what an inept dictator can do to a country. But a full-scale invasion would tie up a huge mass of resources & cost a fortune. And getting in is only one part. Would we have an exit plan? Install a puppet like we did with the Sha?

"wars are good and easy to win" ...............

JacksinPA said:

The situation on Venezuela is out of control from my perspective. Runaway inflation & shortages...

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Then why are you claiming in your OP that "we are going to destabilize them"? Don't they have to be stable to be destabilized?

JacksinPA said:

show what an inept dictator can do to a country.

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Yeah, socialism can't be blamed for that cluster**** at all :roll:

JacksinPA said:

The situation on Venezuela is out of control from my perspective. Runaway inflation & shortages show what an inept dictator can do to a country.

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They also show what we will do to a country.

Spartacus FPV said:

Then why are you claiming in your OP that "we are going to destabilize them"? Don't they have to be stable to be destabilized?



Yeah, socialism can't be blamed for that cluster**** at all :roll:

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I was referring to the unintended consequences that these kind of actions usually produce. Look at Iraq & Afghanistan & Syria & Libya. The ME was relatively stable because everyone assumed that SH had WMD. When we took the cork out of that bottle we instead opened a huge can of worms. Our involvement in Afghanistan is our longest war with no end in site. Alexander the Great, the Brits, the Russians all tried & failed there. Those who don't remember history are condemned to repeat it.

JacksinPA said:

President Trump floats the idea of invading Venezuela

According to new reporting from the Associated Press, President Trump floated the idea of invading Venezuela multiple times last summer. Chris Jansing speaks with the reporter who broke the story, Joshua Goodman, about if this idea was more than the president just speaking out loud.
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Add him to a growing list of Republican war mongers. We destabilized the Middle East by invading Iraq & Afghanistan, now we are going to destabilize S America.

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You trying to tell me that Venezuela is stable? (Note, I am not in support of yet another war... just saying.)

The real issue is the fallout from such an invasion and install of some other government. But there is enough differences to suggest that Iraq and Afghanistan are not good examples to apply to Venezuela.

OrphanSlug said:

You trying to tell me that Venezuela is stable? (Note, I am not in support of yet another war... just saying.)

The real issue is the fallout from such an invasion and install of some other government. But there is enough differences to suggest that Iraq and Afghanistan are not good examples to apply to Venezuela.

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Whatever. I'm just saying that simply invading a country to depose its leader is not as easy as it might appear. We'd be stuck there for a long time. And how can you forecast your exit strategy? Trump has this invasion idea but it's not been thought out.

Spartacus FPV said:

Then why are you claiming in your OP that "we are going to destabilize them"? Don't they have to be stable to be destabilized?



Yeah, socialism can't be blamed for that cluster**** at all :roll:

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Just what the US needs is another war. Haven't paid for the last 2.

JANFU said:

Just what the US needs is another war. Haven't paid for the last 2.

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Trump is probably thinking of developing beach front condos in Venezuela.

Venezuela deserves to be invaded by the USA after the way they blatantly interfered in our 2016 elections. Trump is right about this necessity.

Oh wait.

Never mind.

JANFU said:

Just what the US needs is another war. Haven't paid for the last 2.

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We haven't gotten out if the last two, the final bill is yet to be tallied.

JacksinPA said:

Trump is probably thinking of developing beach front condos in Venezuela.

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Well when he starts to have a special Military Uniform designed, the Patton/MacArthur look, no room for ribbons/Medals and such, but they could dress that up, then it is time to take to the woods

Casper said:

We haven't gotten out if the last two, the final bill is yet to be tallied.

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Yes I am well aware of that, the costs will be paid for the next 60 years or longer. Wait for the substantial bump in Veterans suffering from TBI's/ Concussion injuries/Blast wave damage, and many will need round the clock care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolivarian_Armed_Forces_of_Venezuela

They have over half a million men in their armed services but I don't think concern over invasion from the north is high on their list of priorities.

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Whatever. I'm just saying that simply invading a country to depose its leader is not as easy as it might appear. We'd be stuck there for a long time. And how can you forecast your exit strategy? Trump has this invasion idea but it's not been thought out.

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I am not trying to give you a hard time here, just saying stability for Venezuela went out the window a long way back.

As for a war itself, often times the reasons to go to war or not end up colliding with political ideology just as much as coming up with an exit strategy from a war. Politics always ends up in the mix. We have seen this with your examples of Iraq and Afghanistan as well as plenty of other wars, conflicts, what have you.

I've been arguing for years that US military involvement (to whatever extent) has caused a colossal mess from Libya to Egypt to Syria to Iraq to Afghanistan and plenty of places in between. Worse, in those nations we have given plenty of people there plenty of reasons to dislike us for many generations into the future.

But the question is what happens with Venezuela.

Yes, we can conclude that any "exit strategy" is probably vapor. Yes, we can conclude it would be a mess for many years (decades) to come. And yes, I am sure President umpa lumpa has not given any of this the first thought.

Actually we had already discounted Venezuala's oil production being driven to a trickle and frankly all we care about regarding Venezuela is oil and baseball players. Been that way for a long time now. However, we did not discount the effect of Iran Natural Gas and Oil production going off line because nobody thought idiot Donald would actually kill the JCPOA. But of course killing the JCPOA, taking Iran production off the world market totally suits Putin and Russia. That is how we should have been thinking about Trump and the JCPOA all along.

We should have been more engaged in South and Central America like we used to be because that is our backyard. But NOOOOOOOO. Lets focus on Afghanistan and the ME, Middle East because Netenyahu wants us to be. So now, while Venezuela production going to a trickle was accounted for, sending access to Iran production into a tailspin was not. Should have left the darned JCPOA alone. A few weeks after June 12 does anybody with a brain think we are going to get a better deal with NK who actually has nukes than we had with Iran that actually didn't???? WAKE UP AMERICA!

As for invading Venezuela, completely ridiculous which means there is a pretty good chance Trump will do it.