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Ohio bill would require teachers, health providers to 'out' transgender students

JacksinPA said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...th-providers-out-transgender-students-n888751

Ohio lawmakers have proposed a bill that would require teachers, counselors and health care professionals to notify parents if their child identifies as transgender or is questioning their gender identity.

“If a government agent or entity has knowledge that a child under its care or supervision has exhibited symptoms of gender dysphoria or otherwise demonstrates a desire to be treated in a manner opposite of the child's biological sex, the government agent or entity with knowledge of that circumstance shall immediately notify, in writing, each of the child's parents and the child's guardian or custodian,” the legislation states.
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Outed by Government decree? I guess you don't have any right to privacy until you reach 18 in Ohio.
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Oh yea, more right wing small government in action.
 
Kal'Stang said:
That is what orphanages, adoption, and shelters are for. Its not like they have to live on the street.
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So in other words make a hard situation for a kid even worse just because?
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...th-providers-out-transgender-students-n888751

Ohio lawmakers have proposed a bill that would require teachers, counselors and health care professionals to notify parents if their child identifies as transgender or is questioning their gender identity.

“If a government agent or entity has knowledge that a child under its care or supervision has exhibited symptoms of gender dysphoria or otherwise demonstrates a desire to be treated in a manner opposite of the child's biological sex, the government agent or entity with knowledge of that circumstance shall immediately notify, in writing, each of the child's parents and the child's guardian or custodian,” the legislation states.
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Outed by Government decree? I guess you don't have any right to privacy until you reach 18 in Ohio.
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How could a parent not know that?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
And if being LGBT is not effecting any of those things, should it still be reported to the parents?
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No reason why it should be if it's not detrimental to the child's success in school.
 
Mason66 said:
How could a parent not know that?
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Some parents barely see their kids. I have had several in my class over the years. For some kids, I spend more time with them, talking to them, playing with them, seeing what makes them tick than their parents. Pretty sad.
 
Josie said:
No reason why it should be if it's not detrimental to the child's success in school.
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This bill would make it law to report the possibility the kid is Trans to their parents
 
Exactly what are the Ohio Repubs afraid of? 'The TGs are coming! The TGs are coming!' I think it is clear that the evangelicals are behind this push.
 
Josie said:
Some parents barely see their kids. I have had several in my class over the years. For some kids, I spend more time with them, talking to them, playing with them, seeing what makes them tick than their parents. Pretty sad.
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In this case a boy dressing as a girl is something I would think a parent wold notice.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
This bill would make it law to report the possibility the kid is Trans to their parents
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Yes, I'm aware of the topic of the thread.

As I said, I don't need a piece of legislation to discuss with a parent any issues a child might have in school or with his/her peers. We do that already.
 
Mason66 said:
In this case a boy dressing as a girl is something I would think a parent wold notice.
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I don't think that's what we're talking about. We're talking about kids who are trying to hide it not ones who are outwardly showing it.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So in other words make a hard situation for a kid even worse just because?
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It wouldn't be the state making the situation hard for the kid. It'd be the parents.

And no, not "just because". Your whole argument revolves around a minority of instances. You are ignoring the majority of instances where the parents love their children and will accept them and support them. You're even ignoring the instances of where the parents love them and will take care of them even if they don't understand the situation due to ignorance or even bigotry....because it is their child and they love them.

For the majority of parents they feel that it is their job to take care of their kids no matter what. And it IS their job. Not the States. Not the schools. A parent cannot be a parent if they do not have all the information they need to parent appropriately. And kids that are LGBT need a different kind of support from their parents in this day and age than a heterosexual child. Your belief that the child should be able to keep this a secret from their parents would do them a disservice and harm them even more as it perpetuates the fear that they may have in telling their parents. While you can site parents that have put their child out onto the street for such there are also instances of parents being accepting even though the child thought otherwise before they told their parents.
 
Josie said:
Yes, I'm aware of the topic of the thread.

As I said, I don't need a piece of legislation to discuss with a parent any issues a child might have in school or with his/her peers. We do that already.
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And in those cases you would have a reasonable idea on how the parents would react. That if informing the parents would potentially help the student or harm the student because of a strong negative reaction. Leaving you to make a judgement on if it would help the student or not. Overall a good way of handling it
 
Josie said:
We've also heard about parents who beat their kids for getting poor grades. Does that mean teachers should never inform any parents of the students' grades? If a child is having a problem that the teacher observes, she should inform the parents. This is a no-brainer -- Education 101.

If the parents choose to then abuse their child because of it, the teacher is mandated to report the parents to child services.
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Josie all the things you list have to do with academics and safety of the child. Observation of sex has nothing to do with either.

Having said that, our public schools have been used as a hotbed through the years of Obama to promote homosexuality behavior as normal using our public schools as a forum introducing propaganda to be forced fed to the students..
Because a previous administration misuse of the public schools, now we have here in Ohio calling for teachers, counselors and others to be experts in determining the new found "gender dysphoria".

That is total bull****. What Ohio schools should be focused on and only on is academics and safety of the children.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
And in those cases you would have a reasonable idea on how the parents would react. That if informing the parents would potentially help the student or harm the student because of a strong negative reaction. Leaving you to make a judgement on if it would help the student or not. Overall a good way of handling it
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Not necessarily. There are some parents who I never even meet the entire school year so how would I have a "reasonable idea" of how they would react to anything? If a child is being bullied all year long for "acting gay" or "being a sissy" and I don't tell the parents for fear of how they'll react, that's a very poor decision on my part and I would expect to be ripped apart by the parent and my administration. And it could be detrimental to that child's emotional well-being for a very long time. Or worse.

If the parent is well-known for abusing their child, that's another story. I would get more people involved including the psychologist, social worker and administration to see how to handle the situation. I have only encountered 3 children in my 15 years of teaching that had well-known abusive parents.

But, no, I wouldn't refrain from telling a student's parent anything that's blocking them from doing well academically or socially simply because I don't know how they'll react. And, no, we don't need a law like this.
 
vesper said:
Josie all the things you list have to do with academics and safety of the child. Observation of sex has nothing to do with either.
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As I said, if it's something that's blocking the child from succeeding academically or socially, then yes it does. Bullying can cause all sorts of problems with social and academic behaviors.
 
Josie said:
As I said, if it's something that's blocking the child from succeeding academically or socially, then yes it does. Bullying can cause all sorts of problems with social and academic behaviors.
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But in those instances can't it be handled by the teacher taking the time to speak to the parents, counselors etc. without calling for a law to demand all cases be reported? I think so.


Being a Tomboy doesn't make a girl a lesbian. Being a boy who acts like a sissy doesn't make him homosexual.


They may get harassed by their fellow students but so do people with imperfect teeth, those who stutter, those who are very shy, and an array of instances. Growing up can be brutal. Do we need a law for every time an insensitive kid bullies another?
 
vesper said:
But in those instances can't it be handled by the teacher taking the time to speak to the parents, counselors etc. without calling for a law to demand all cases be reported? I think so.


Being a Tomboy doesn't make a girl a lesbian. Being a boy who acts like a sissy doesn't make him homosexual.


They may get harassed by their fellow students but so do people with imperfect teeth, those who stutter, those who are very shy, and an array of instances. Growing up can be brutal. Do we need a law for every time an insensitive kid bullies another?
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I've said from the beginning of the thread that we don't need this law.
 
Josie said:
I don't need legislation to speak to the parents of a student about the problems he/she might be having. That's what we do.
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For sure that is what teachers do when they are confident that their assessment is correct. If you "suspect" a student might have gender issues, do you think it appropriate to immediately bring that up with parents? Sometimes well meaning interference causes more problems than it corrects.

I agree with you that there is no valid reason for this law.
 
JMR said:
For sure that is what teachers do when they are confident that their assessment is correct. If you "suspect" a student might have gender issues, do you think it appropriate to immediately bring that up with parents? Sometimes well meaning interference causes more problems than it corrects.
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As I've said repeatedly, I bring up issues with parents when I notice that it's harming their academic or social skills. I wouldn't just say "Hey -- your kid is doing awesome in all areas of school! Also - do you guys think he's gay??" LOL! No, not going to happen. If kids are bullying him or her about something, of course I'm going to bring it up. Wouldn't you want to know if your child was being bullied?
 
Josie said:
As I've said repeatedly, I bring up issues with parents when I notice that it's harming their academic or social skills. I wouldn't just say "Hey -- your kid is doing awesome in all areas of school! Also - do you guys think he's gay??" LOL! No, not going to happen. If kids are bullying him or her about something, of course I'm going to bring it up. Wouldn't you want to know if your child was being bullied?
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See how the topic is morphing here. Bullying is a issue. Of course a teacher should let parents know a student is being bullied. That is a bit different than reporting a "suspected" reason, or even alerting parents about possible gender identity when there is no bullying.

This law is a terrible idea.
 
JMR said:
See how the topic is morphing here. Bullying is a issue. Of course a teacher should let parents know a student is being bullied. That is a bit different than reporting a "suspected" reason, or even alerting parents about possible gender identity when there is no bullying.

This law is a terrible idea.
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Never said any different.
 
Some have posted that this is pointless legislation. I'd have to agree.

The kids would have figured this out even before the parents, teachers, or school administration have.

Ridiculous.
 
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