Senate panel upholds finding that Russia backed Trump, contradicting House

Mach · Jul 3, 2018

The Senate Intelligence Committee has unequivocally upheld the conclusion of the intelligence community that Russia developed a "clear preference" for then-candidate Donald Trump in the 2016 election and sought to help him win the White House.
The assessment, announced in an unclassified summary released Tuesday, represents a direct repudiation of the committee’s counterpart in the House — and of President Trump himself, who has consistently rejected assertions that Moscow sought to bolster his candidacy through its election interference.

In yet another contradiction to Trump allies claims, the Senate panel also found that a piece of Democratic-funded opposition research known as the Steele dossier did not "in any way inform the analysis in the ICA — including the key findings."

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-to-dispute-ic-assessment-of-russian-election

Seems to me that House Republicans have put party/Trump over nation/ethics, but they are about it. Senate seems to be doing the right thing, of course along with DOJ/FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. Trump won with Russia's help, as we have known for over a year. Did Trump or his campaign assist? TBD Mueller.

haymarket · Jul 3, 2018

Mach said:
Senate panel upholds finding that Russia backed Trump, contradicting House

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-to-dispute-ic-assessment-of-russian-election

Seems to me that House Republicans have put party/Trump over nation/ethics, but they are about it. Senate seems to be doing the right thing, of course along with DOJ/FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. Trump won with Russia's help, as we have known for over a year. Did Trump or his campaign assist? TBD Mueller.

If the report does not say that Trump has his tongue firmly up the rear corridor of Putin - Trump will take this as a complete exoneration of the charges of collusion.

roughdraft274 · Jul 3, 2018

Good job to the senate for putting country above party. Even if Trump didn't collude with Russia, the truth needs to be known. Not to make him illegitimate, not for political division, but for truths sake.

WCH · Jul 3, 2018

So, Russia hated Hillary. Who didn't?

roughdraft274 · Jul 3, 2018

WCH said:
So, Russia hated Hillary. Who didn't?

It leads to the question "Why are so many people that sniff Trump's butt trying so hard to deny the fact that Russia supported him?"

It also puts another question as to why the Trump campaign had all these meetings with Russians and then lied about them all. It would be very curious if they did this but there was really no evidence that Russia tried to help Trump. It's even more curious if we know that Russia was fully involved in supporting Trump on social media or through NRA contributions or through strategic operatives like Cambridge Analytica and the Trump campaign had all of these meetings and then lied about all of them. It makes it hard to swallow that they never discussed Russia's effort to help the campaign. It leads to a myriad of questions that any honest and caring american would want the full truth on.

independentusa · Jul 3, 2018

WCH said:
So, Russia hated Hillary. Who didn't?

I suspect you realize it isn't about who was running but that a nation, that has no love for our country, interfered with our elections. You can hate Hillary and the Dems all you want, but if you don't stick up for our country's electoral process, than you are no true American.

Tanngrisnir · Jul 3, 2018

Mach said:
Senate panel upholds finding that Russia backed Trump, contradicting House

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-to-dispute-ic-assessment-of-russian-election

Seems to me that House Republicans have put party/Trump over nation/ethics, but they are about it. Senate seems to be doing the right thing, of course along with DOJ/FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. Trump won with Russia's help, as we have known for over a year. Did Trump or his campaign assist? TBD Mueller.

Huh. So a congressional committee can actually function correctly when not led by lickspittle whores like Nunes?

Good to know.

veritas1 · Jul 3, 2018

Of course Russia preferred Trump. They knew the discord this would sow and that liberals would become unhinged. They've been trying to interfere since at least 2013. The turmoil now occurring is precisely what they wanted. Hill would have been business as usual with happy libs and complacent conservatives. Heck it was even to Russia's advantage to make it appear that collusion happened. What better way to cause a crisis than having one side talk of impeachment? Russia wanted Trump but not for any of the reasons the left thinks.

Casper · Jul 3, 2018

WCH said:
So, Russia hated Hillary. Who didn't?

That is the best you can come up with, really?

Chillfolks · Jul 3, 2018

independentusa said:
I suspect you realize it isn't about who was running but that a nation, that has no love for our country, interfered with our elections. You can hate Hillary and the Dems all you want, but if you don't stick up for our country's electoral process, than you are no true American.

The media interfered in the primary electoral process buy offering one candidate an overview of questions pre debate to influence the outcome. Does that mean you agree with Trump how they are the enemy of the people and UnAmerican?

roughdraft274 · Jul 3, 2018

veritas1 said:
Of course Russia preferred Trump. They knew the discord this would sow and that liberals would become unhinged. They've been trying to interfere since at least 2013. The turmoil now occurring is precisely what they wanted. Hill would have been business as usual with happy libs and complacent conservatives. Heck it was even to Russia's advantage to make it appear that collusion happened. What better way to cause a crisis than having one side talk of impeachment? Russia wanted Trump but not for any of the reasons the left thinks.

But if the Trump campaign hadn't lied so much about everything then this collusion story could have been put away by now. This is Trumps fault. I blame Russia for any and all actions they took, but they didn't force the Trump campaign to lie about communications, meetings and actions that they took. Especially when they were notified prior to the election that Russia would likely try **** like this.

roughdraft274 · Jul 3, 2018

Chillfolks said:
The media interfered in the primary electoral process buy offering one candidate an overview of questions pre debate to influence the outcome. Does that mean you agree with Trump how they are the enemy of the people and UnAmerican?

1 person in the media handing 1 candidate a question that could be asked during the debate does not equal the entirety of the media interfering in the election

Hopefully you agree on this.

Mach · Jul 3, 2018

WCH said:
So, Russia hated Hillary. Who didn't?

veritas1 said:
Of course Russia preferred Trump..

Why are you asking/telling me and not Nunes, who lead the absurd partisan charade that disagreed?

While most of the analysis contained in the ICA held up to scrutiny,” Nunes’ report held, “the committee found that ICA judgments on Putin’s strategic objectives”—that is to say defeating Clinton and electing Trump—“failed to meet most of the analytic standards set forth in the primary guiding document for IC analysis, Intelligence Community Directive (ICD) 203.” Such shortfalls “undermine confidence,”

Nunes’ report continued, but they weren’t listed as problems with the underlying circumstances of the Russian campaign. Nunes and company instead faulted the agencies for not “incorporat[ing] analysis of alternatives” or more fulsomely explaining the differences in confidence levels between the NSA, FBI, and CIA.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bipartisan-senate-panel-delivers-middle-finger-to-devin-nunes

veritas1 · Jul 3, 2018

roughdraft274 said:
But if the Trump campaign hadn't lied so much about everything then this collusion story could have been put away by now. This is Trumps fault. I blame Russia for any and all actions they took, but they didn't force the Trump campaign to lie about communications, meetings and actions that they took. Especially when they were notified prior to the election that Russia would likely try **** like this.

If the FBI thought that the Russians were trying to influence and/or penetrate the Trump campaign, then it was incumbent upon them to take Trump into their confidence. They never did so and that raises many questions of its own, especially in light of many of their sentiments regarding Trump and his possible election which have been revealed since.

Mach · Jul 3, 2018

Chillfolks said:
The media interfered in the primary electoral process buy offering one candidate an overview of questions pre debate to influence the outcome. Does that mean you agree with Trump how they are the enemy of the people and UnAmerican?

You're trying to divert the thread.
You are also evidencing just how effective the Russian efforts were to help Trump win, despite so many Republicans claiming it didn't measurably help. After all, you'd never have known about the above had it not been for the Russian DNC hack, and the subsequent well-timed release following access hollywood. It worked on you, it worked on countless others.

Americans playing dirty politics has been perfected by Republicans, but both sides delve into it. That's also Americans who are not breaking laws, as indenedentusa said.
In contrast, helping Russia, a foreign adversary, in changing the outcome of our election, is likely criminal in a number of ways. At the very least I would agree it's anti-american.

roughdraft274 · Jul 3, 2018

veritas1 said:
Of course Russia preferred Trump. They knew the discord this would sow and that liberals would become unhinged. They've been trying to interfere since at least 2013. The turmoil now occurring is precisely what they wanted. Hill would have been business as usual with happy libs and complacent conservatives. Heck it was even to Russia's advantage to make it appear that collusion happened. What better way to cause a crisis than having one side talk of impeachment? Russia wanted Trump but not for any of the reasons the left thinks.

I'm pretty much on the left and fully aware of the reasons. But we can't pretend that having a POTUS that is perfectly fine with Russia invading Ukraine and taking land, or trashing NATO or the UN isn't on their wish list, probably much higher than "sowing discord".

Mach · Jul 3, 2018

veritas1 said:
If the FBI thought that the Russians were trying to influence and/or penetrate the Trump campaign, then it was incumbent upon them to take Trump into their confidence. They never did so and that raises many questions of its own, especially in light of many of their sentiments regarding Trump and his possible election which have been revealed since.

Nunes's/House Republicans said it wasn't to help Trump, is he partisan hack? (yes)

You're so curious about questions, but that's what they Mueller investigating is charged with finding answers to. You must 100% back the Mueller investigation then I assume?
You guys were all crazy excited about Nunes Memos, which yielded nothing. Then excited about the IG report, only to find they concluded that they found no evidence bias affected their decisions.

Come on, Trump and his campaign are attacking the DOJ, fired Comey, attacked Rosenstein, the FBI, all of Mueller's team, Mueller himself, all to attempt to discredit the investigation that's finding out exactly what happened. You should back it if you're a good-guy, that's just the way it is. I get it that you hope none of it touches Trump, that is human. But to applaud the undermining of justice/truth...shame on those who have done this.

roughdraft274 · Jul 3, 2018

veritas1 said:
If the FBI thought that the Russians were trying to influence and/or penetrate the Trump campaign, then it was incumbent upon them to take Trump into their confidence. They never did so and that raises many questions of its own, especially in light of many of their sentiments regarding Trump and his possible election which have been revealed since.

The FBI thought that the russians were doing that, but that also Trump might directly be part of it. His actions would certainly lead someone to think that. The meetings in Trump Tower along with the supposed meetings that Cohen and Erik Prince took on his behalf around the world would also strongly suggest some kind of direct knowledge.

If the FBI warned me about Russians attempting to infiltrate the campaign and to keep them aware of russian contacts and then I didn't message them when I sent two associates around the world to meet with russians and then I didn't message them when the russian government sent officials to my headquarters (and the list likely goes on and on) then I wouldn't be very surprised if they thought that maybe I wasn't telling them because I wanted to keep it from them.

veritas1 · Jul 3, 2018

roughdraft274 said:
I'm pretty much on the left and fully aware of the reasons. But we can't pretend that having a POTUS that is perfectly fine with Russia invading Ukraine and taking land, or trashing NATO or the UN isn't on their wish list, probably much higher than "sowing discord".

Oh please. What did Obama do about Ukraine? There are very limited options available, none of which are very effective. We aren't going to war over Ukraine. As for NATO, we aren't leaving it. We're trying to get the freeloaders to pay up. The UN? A useless debating society which gives a lot of dictators an ongoing international platform. It has shown itself to be wholly ineffective for most of its existence aside from providing occasional humanitarian assistance. Naturally, the US always shows up first with the most.

veritas1 · Jul 3, 2018

Mach said:
Nunes's/House Republicans said it wasn't to help Trump, is he partisan hack? (yes)

You're so curious about questions, but that's what they Mueller investigating is charged with finding answers to. You must 100% back the Mueller investigation then I assume?
You guys were all crazy excited about Nunes Memos, which yielded nothing. Then excited about the IG report, only to find they concluded that they found no evidence bias affected their decisions.

Come on, Trump and his campaign are attacking the DOJ, fired Comey, attacked Rosenstein, the FBI, all of Mueller's team, Mueller himself, all to attempt to discredit the investigation that's finding out exactly what happened. You should back it if you're a good-guy, that's just the way it is. I get it that you hope none of it touches Trump, that is human. But to applaud the undermining of justice/truth...shame on those who have done this.

I'm fine with Mueller completing his investigation because I don't think he can find even a whiff of collusion. The criticisms directed at the FBI, Mueller and Rosenstein have been warranted in many cases. For anyone to conclude that there wasn't bias at the FBI is simply astounding given what we've seen. It also makes it very curious as to why the FBI/DOJ have so steadfastly dragged their feet on turning over documents to Congress, something they are obligated to do.

One also has to ask why Mueller would have had 13 Democrat donors on his team including people like Weismann who was at the Hillary "victory" party on election night. That is supposed to show impartiality? Zero Republicans? As for Comey, Rosenstein himself recommended that Comey be fired so that Trump took his recommendation can hardly now be held up as some evidence of foul play. Comey's subsequent double talk and unfamiliarity with the truth show that it was the right move.

trixare4kids · Jul 3, 2018

WCH said:
So, Russia hated Hillary. Who didn't?

Haha Perfect!

We already know that the Russians wanted Trump to win. There's legitimate proof. Have the Republicans denied this?
Why is this such a big revelation?

ultmd · Jul 3, 2018

veritas1 said:
If the FBI thought that the Russians were trying to influence and/or penetrate the Trump campaign, then it was incumbent upon them to take Trump into their confidence. They never did so and that raises many questions of its own, especially in light of many of their sentiments regarding Trump and his possible election which have been revealed since.

The FBI absolutely DID warn Trump, personally, about what the Russians were doing. That FACT has been well-documented, by both mainstream and even right wing news organizations:
The FBI warned Trump that Russia would try to infiltrate his campaign team - Business Insider
Trump: Why Didn?t FBI Warn Me About Russia? (It Did.)
https://nypost.com/2017/12/18/fbi-warned-trump-that-russia-would-try-to-spy-on-his-campaign/

So now, what does that do to those "questions" you feel are raised, huh?

veritas1 · Jul 3, 2018

ultmd said:
The FBI absolutely DID warn Trump, personally, about what the Russians were doing. That FACT has been well-documented, by both mainstream and even right wing news organizations:
The FBI warned Trump that Russia would try to infiltrate his campaign team - Business Insider
Trump: Why Didn?t FBI Warn Me About Russia? (It Did.)
https://nypost.com/2017/12/18/fbi-warned-trump-that-russia-would-try-to-spy-on-his-campaign/

So now, what does that do to those "questions" you feel are raised, huh?

The FBI's warning came at least one month after the FBI had already opened an investigation into Russia's election interference and whether the Trump campaign had colluded with Moscow to undermine Hillary Clinton.

So, you open an investigation about Russian collusion and then tell the subject of your investigation to watch out for Russians. Sorry, sounds like BS.

OscarLevant · Jul 3, 2018

Mach said:
Senate panel upholds finding that Russia backed Trump, contradicting House

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-to-dispute-ic-assessment-of-russian-election

Seems to me that House Republicans have put party/Trump over nation/ethics, but they are about it. Senate seems to be doing the right thing, of course along with DOJ/FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. Trump won with Russia's help, as we have known for over a year. Did Trump or his campaign assist? TBD Mueller.

Well, if dems take back the house, and leadership of the House Intelligence Committee, Trump water boy Nunes is going to be canned and the things are going to change......for the better.

Mach · Jul 3, 2018

veritas1 said:
The criticisms directed at the FBI, Mueller and Rosenstein have been warranted in many cases.

No, that's what I'm telling you, they are generally not warranted.

For anyone to conclude that there wasn't bias at the FBI is simply astounding given what we've seen

And yet the non-partisan, long-awaited, 500+ page report from the lengthy IG investigation found no bias affecting decisions. Trump supporters don't like that because it doesn't fit the narrative they are told to believe?

It also makes it very curious as to why the FBI/DOJ have so steadfastly dragged their feet on turning over documents to Congress, something they are obligated to do.

Why are you curious about this, and not informed about it directly from the DOJ themselves? Ongoing investigations are not discussed, especially not with the partisan House.
You do understand that it is the Partisan House report (Nunes) that contradicts this Senate finding right? And it's that same Nunes that wants info on the current investigation of the campaign he was a part of right? How corrupt/biased does it have to get for you to turn that skepticism on your own parties obvious misconduct?

Senate panel upholds finding that Russia backed Trump, contradicting House

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