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What I find interesting about Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice!

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Pro-Life people say they are against some or all abortions, depending on those who are okay with abortions for rapes and incest. I would actually call a majority of them pro-birth as they want every pregnancy come to its conclusion, but once the child is born they don't care what happens to them. So pro-birth but not pro-life. On the other hand we have those who are pro-choice. I would honestly call them pro-abortion, as that seems to be what they are most worried about. The interesting thing is that a majority of the ones called Pro-Choice and I call pro-abortion are actually pro-life as they see it important to help those who come into this life without the financial advantages that many of us have or those who have physical or mental disabilities. I guess all of this is obvious and I should not find it interesting, but I do. Pro-life are actually Pro-birth, and Pro-Choice are both Pro-abortion and Pro-life.
 
“Pro-birth” makes sense. I don’t think “pro-abortion” applies to most pro-choicers since that would mean they WANT more pregnant women to get abortions. I personally could probably be called pro-abortion because I think more people who aren’t suited for parenthood should get abortions, though I would certainly oppose forcing it. But most pro-choices aren’t like me so that particular label isn’t as accurate.
 
What I find interesting is that long ago the feminsts decided that they did not want to fight over abortion anymore.

They never did fight for childcare (The Americans, The Europeans were better).

SADISTIC BITCHES
 
independentusa said:
Pro-Life people say they are against some or all abortions, depending on those who are okay with abortions for rapes and incest. I would actually call a majority of them pro-birth as they want every pregnancy come to its conclusion, but once the child is born they don't care what happens to them. So pro-birth but not pro-life. On the other hand we have those who are pro-choice. I would honestly call them pro-abortion, as that seems to be what they are most worried about. The interesting thing is that a majority of the ones called Pro-Choice and I call pro-abortion are actually pro-life as they see it important to help those who come into this life without the financial advantages that many of us have or those who have physical or mental disabilities. I guess all of this is obvious and I should not find it interesting, but I do. Pro-life are actually Pro-birth, and Pro-Choice are both Pro-abortion and Pro-life.
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Red:
I wouldn't call pro-choicers "pro-abortionists" because very (1) few of the one's whom I know would themselves have an abortion, (2) much of the pro-choice rhetoric I've come by has been quite clear that abortion itself is not the motivating object of their concern, and (3) few, if any, see, promote or cite abortion as the first line of unwanted pregnancy management. "Pro-choice" seems an apt descriptor because the central claim pro-choice people make is that a woman should be fully at liberty to decide the fate of any embryos he body produces.
 
Sounds like a solid argument to kill all poor babies. Their lives would have been crappy anyway, we are doing them a favor... its ACTUALLY Pro-Life because who would ever want to live a poor persons life, right? You can never get yourself out of the situation.... the system is against you.... might as well just end it there.

Leftist logic 101
 
independentusa said:
Pro-Life people say they are against some or all abortions, depending on those who are okay with abortions for rapes and incest. I would actually call a majority of them pro-birth as they want every pregnancy come to its conclusion, but once the child is born they don't care what happens to them. So pro-birth but not pro-life. On the other hand we have those who are pro-choice. I would honestly call them pro-abortion, as that seems to be what they are most worried about. The interesting thing is that a majority of the ones called Pro-Choice and I call pro-abortion are actually pro-life as they see it important to help those who come into this life without the financial advantages that many of us have or those who have physical or mental disabilities. I guess all of this is obvious and I should not find it interesting, but I do. Pro-life are actually Pro-birth, and Pro-Choice are both Pro-abortion and Pro-life.
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Is this old chestnut still getting a workout?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
What I find interesting is that long ago the feminsts decided that they did not want to fight over abortion anymore.

They never did fight for childcare (The Americans, The Europeans were better).

SADISTIC BITCHES
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As you well know, orphanages used to be better. But then the intelligestia swamped them with affirmative action and PTSD benefits, those takers. Trump's going to tariff that **** right out of existence, tell you what.


SWAMP DRAINED!
 
independentusa said:
Pro-Life people say they are against some or all abortions, depending on those who are okay with abortions for rapes and incest. I would actually call a majority of them pro-birth as they want every pregnancy come to its conclusion, but once the child is born they don't care what happens to them. So pro-birth but not pro-life. On the other hand we have those who are pro-choice. I would honestly call them pro-abortion, as that seems to be what they are most worried about. The interesting thing is that a majority of the ones called Pro-Choice and I call pro-abortion are actually pro-life as they see it important to help those who come into this life without the financial advantages that many of us have or those who have physical or mental disabilities. I guess all of this is obvious and I should not find it interesting, but I do. Pro-life are actually Pro-birth, and Pro-Choice are both Pro-abortion and Pro-life.
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Leftist jiggery pokery.
Let's just cut to the chase. Pro-lifers believe abortion is killing a baby, which it is.
All this blah blah blah is just deflection because I think, ,deep down, you know it's murder.

Look, do it. It's legal. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining, however.
 
Women have the right to choose

Acadia said:
Leftist jiggery pokery.
Let's just cut to the chase. Pro-lifers believe abortion is killing a baby, which it is.
All this blah blah blah is just deflection because I think, ,deep down, you know it's murder.

Look, do it. It's legal. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining, however.
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So the US Supreme Court in 1973 was Leftist? That's where Roe v. Wade came from, & to date, that is the law on abortion in the US.

& by Roe, abortion performed within the framework of fetal viability is not murder, explicitly. & it's a fetus, not a baby. It's not a baby until the fetus is delivered & viable.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
What I find interesting is that long ago the feminsts decided that they did not want to fight over abortion anymore.

They never did fight for childcare (The Americans, The Europeans were better).

SADISTIC BITCHES
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Child Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Child Care and Development Fund, Child Care Information and Services, Head Start, school lunch programs, daycare services....
 
Re: Women have the right to choose

southwest88 said:
So the US Supreme Court in 1973 was Leftist? That's where Roe v. Wade came from, & to date, that is the law on abortion in the US.

& by Roe, abortion performed within the framework of fetal viability is not murder, explicitly. & it's a fetus, not a baby. It's not a baby until the fetus is delivered & viable.
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Straw man.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
“Pro-birth” makes sense. I don’t think “pro-abortion” applies to most pro-choicers since that would mean they WANT more pregnant women to get abortions. I personally could probably be called pro-abortion because I think more people who aren’t suited for parenthood should get abortions, though I would certainly oppose forcing it. But most pro-choices aren’t like me so that particular label isn’t as accurate.
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I prefer "pro-choice" and "anti-choice", with caveats.



Anti-Choice: they want to restrict abortion in varying degrees. Hence caveats. The main push seems to be none unless the "health" (alternately "life") of the woman is in question.

Pro-Choice: they want it to be a thing that a woman can choose. The main push seems to be around viability, as Roe said. We cannot define "a life" or "a person", so, the line gets drawn at whether the fetus can survive outside the womb with medical care.




Now, people who say they are "pro-life" are going to object. They'll say I accepted a term from one side, but changed their reason. Well, my reasoning is there for them to disagree with. Let them argue that "pro-choice" means "anti-life" or "pro-abortion" when quite a few "pro-choice" people say that they oppose the concept of abortion and would never do it themselves.
 
Moot said:
Child Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Child Care and Development Fund, Child Care Information and Services, Head Start, school lunch programs, daycare services....
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Come on Friend (or are you a former friend..I have not looked lately)...you can do better than that.

Full thoughts please if you want my attention.

tyvm
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Come on Friend (or are you a former friend..I have not looked lately)...you can do better than that.

Full thoughts please if you want my attention.

tyvm
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Mindless haters gonna hate. I thought you were better than that...friend.
 
Mr Person said:
I prefer "pro-choice" and "anti-choice", with caveats.



Anti-Choice: they want to restrict abortion in varying degrees. Hence caveats. The main push seems to be none unless the "health" (alternately "life") of the woman is in question.

Pro-Choice: they want it to be a thing that a woman can choose. The main push seems to be around viability, as Roe said. We cannot define "a life" or "a person", so, the line gets drawn at whether the fetus can survive outside the womb with medical care.




Now, people who say they are "pro-life" are going to object. They'll say I accepted a term from one side, but changed their reason. Well, my reasoning is there for them to disagree with. Let them argue that "pro-choice" means "anti-life" or "pro-abortion" when quite a few "pro-choice" people say that they oppose the concept of abortion and would never do it themselves.
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I agree about the anti-choice. the reason being is not because of the abortion issue, but what might come in the future. Many evangelical and even Catholics believe that even using birth control, other than rythm for Catholics, is a form of abortion. Hopefully they will not take it that far, but there are a lot of religious out there that would push the right to ban birth control.
 
Mr Person said:
I prefer "pro-choice" and "anti-choice", with caveats.



Anti-Choice: they want to restrict abortion in varying degrees. Hence caveats. The main push seems to be none unless the "health" (alternately "life") of the woman is in question.

Pro-Choice: they want it to be a thing that a woman can choose. The main push seems to be around viability, as Roe said. We cannot define "a life" or "a person", so, the line gets drawn at whether the fetus can survive outside the womb with medical care.




Now, people who say they are "pro-life" are going to object. They'll say I accepted a term from one side, but changed their reason. Well, my reasoning is there for them to disagree with. Let them argue that "pro-choice" means "anti-life" or "pro-abortion" when quite a few "pro-choice" people say that they oppose the concept of abortion and would never do it themselves.
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IMO anti-choice and anti-life are are too charged to be productive.
 
independentusa said:
I agree about the anti-choice. the reason being is not because of the abortion issue, but what might come in the future. Many evangelical and even Catholics believe that even using birth control, other than rythm for Catholics, is a form of abortion. Hopefully they will not take it that far, but there are a lot of religious out there that would push the right to ban birth control.
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I wouldn't worry about Griswold v. Connecticut being overturned (cannot ban contraceptives). A strong majority of GOP voters would flip their **** if that happened.



Maybe Trump nominates someone crazy enough but really, in the end, they'll lose hard and for a long time if they try to ban condoms. Etc.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
IMO anti-choice and anti-life are are too charged to be productive.
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What do we call the first crowd?



"Pro-life" sounds fair enough until one adds other things up, for example, positions of the social right on the safety net. What exactly does it mean to be "pro life" when one relies on it to simultaneously (1) seek to end the right to abort, and (2) seek to get rid of or shrink state-provided services like medical care? Etc.

I'd say these are all charged terms, but "pro-choice" and "anti-choice" or "anti abortion" are the closest to a summary of a position.
 
I've never liked the terms pro-choice and pro-life. They're an excellent example of trying to name something with a positive spin to imply a moral rightness. Should we assume the left is pro-death and the right is pro-control?
 
What's the big deal about?

49% of women who have abortions are below the poverty line. Good. Do we really want kids born into this situation?
60% are in their 20's. Good. Seeing as "kids" are getting older and older, a lot of these twenty-somethings are too damn immature to have a kid.
Obviously more democrats than republicans are fine with abortions. Good. Thinning the democrat herd.
 
independentusa said:
Pro-Life people say they are against some or all abortions, depending on those who are okay with abortions for rapes and incest. I would actually call a majority of them pro-birth as they want every pregnancy come to its conclusion, but once the child is born they don't care what happens to them. So pro-birth but not pro-life. On the other hand we have those who are pro-choice. I would honestly call them pro-abortion, as that seems to be what they are most worried about. The interesting thing is that a majority of the ones called Pro-Choice and I call pro-abortion are actually pro-life as they see it important to help those who come into this life without the financial advantages that many of us have or those who have physical or mental disabilities. I guess all of this is obvious and I should not find it interesting, but I do. Pro-life are actually Pro-birth, and Pro-Choice are both Pro-abortion and Pro-life.
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From my perspective it isn't pro-abortion. It is pro- choice. There are other choices. I doubt there is a woman in America - well maybe 1 or 2 that gets up in the morning and says "I want an abortion today".
 
Hawkeye10 said:
What I find interesting is that long ago the feminsts decided that they did not want to fight over abortion anymore.

They never did fight for childcare (The Americans, The Europeans were better).

SADISTIC BITCHES
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Wouldn't that fall under that free-stuff??? I don't know where you've been, but women have been asking for affordable childcare.
 
celticwar17 said:
Sounds like a solid argument to kill all poor babies. Their lives would have been crappy anyway, we are doing them a favor... its ACTUALLY Pro-Life because who would ever want to live a poor persons life, right? You can never get yourself out of the situation.... the system is against you.... might as well just end it there.

Leftist logic 101
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This is the issue - you want the child born but then you don't want to help the mother or the child once it's born. Then it again, becomes all about that "free stuff". Can't have it both ways.
 
jghiretire said:
Wouldn't that fall under that free-stuff??? I don't know where you've been, but women have been asking for affordable childcare.
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There is no free lunch but some things are important and need to be obtained, if we dont we have failed. This society has been highly stressed as a result of negligent leadership most especially from the Feminist/state co-operative.

How do you like the results...where we are....where we seem to be headed?
 
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