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So, What Happened to Trumps PROMISE to Have Health Insurance for EVERYONE?

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Trump said he was going to repeal & replace the ACA, and there would be better health insurance for everyone.

What happened? Why did Trump lie? People say never underestimate Trump; what does that mean? Does that mean accept the Trump lies?

So, are folks 'winning' yet with their health insurance?


"Great health care for MUCH LESS money" - Donald Trump


and NO; this is NOT a conspiracy theory thread but thanks ...........





 
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So, What Happened to Trumps PROMISE to Have Health Insurance for EVERYONE?

it was a bull**** lie.
 
Trump never happened to explain any details of such a plan, thus Congress happened never to vote on that (non-existent) legislation.
 
Trump said he was going to repeal & replace the ACA. What happened?

Congress happened.

You know...the guys who are supposed to write laws.
 
Yes, of all people. Greedy capitalist scum that he is, Trump should have known that just as in the ACA, health care in the US, is
just like as with almost everything else in the US...about money.

Trump didn't sit down with the health care's capitalist clergy to write a new law.

Just how in the world can any American think that the US will ever get single-payer, govt. run health care
when [they] all should have long ago understood...it's the money.
 
As are most campaign 'promises' that lack any significant details.

granted. however, this one wasn't even covered in peanut butter. it was blatant.
 
granted. however, this one wasn't even covered in peanut butter. it was blatant.

Yep, you will get no argument from me on that. Many campaign 'promises', as with party platform planks, are empty of implementation details and are simply lofty statements of goals.
 
Trump said he was going to repeal & replace the ACA, and there would be better health insurance for everyone.

What happened? Why did Trump lie? People say never underestimate Trump; what does that mean? Does that mean accept the Trump lies?

So, are folks 'winning' yet with their health insurance?


"Great health care for MUCH LESS money" - Donald Trump


and NO; this is NOT a conspiracy theory thread but thanks ...........



You've never heard campaign promises that weren't kept before? Are you saying that in every Presidential election, ALL campaign promises by the winner have been kept?
 
granted. however, this one wasn't even covered in peanut butter. it was blatant.

So were these:

Woodrow Wilson won re-election in 1916 with the slogan "He kept us out of war," only to enter World War I a year later.

Lyndon B. Johnson promised in 1964, "We are not about to send American boys 9- or 10-thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves." During his presidency, the U.S. entered the Vietnam War and Johnson did not seek reelection.

Richard Nixon in 1968 claimed to "have a secret plan to end the war" and promised to find a way to "peace with honor" in Vietnam, but American troops were not withdrawn until 1973 — a little more than a year before Nixon resigned.

Gerald Ford was the only president to never be elected, so he never made any campaign promises to keep or break. He gets a pass.

Jimmy Carter campaigned on solving the energy crisis, but his speeches about conservation and attempts to add solar panels to the roof of the White House weren't good enough. He was unable to get support for a gas tax, and the energy problem only worsened during his presidency, according to The Atlantic.

Ronald Reagan promised to make a constitutional amendment allowing school prayer during his campaign, and although he proposed the amendment in 1982, it never went anywhere.

George H. W. Bush famously promised in 1988: "Read my lips: No new taxes," only to sign a bill raising taxes during his first and only term.

Bill Clinton campaigned on a renovation of the health care system before he took office in 1993. Although he attempted health care reform — "Hillarycare" — it ended in failure.

George W. Bush promised to "change the tone" in D.C., privatize social security and reduce government spending — none of which he succeeded with.

Barack Obama: Politifact tracked 533 of Obama's promises, and found that 48% of them he managed to keep while 24% of them he broke.

https://www.axios.com/10-big-broken...978-5b4fd8ba-a90a-450a-873e-51226c9861c9.html


No, it doesn't make it ok. It makes it not unusual.
 
Yep, you will get no argument from me on that. Many campaign 'promises', as with party platform planks, are empty of implementation details and are simply lofty statements of goals.

you say true, i say thankya.
 
so, what I am getting from this thread is that politicians bloviate bull**** & Americans should expect that every time a politician opens their mouth they are lying.

Health care for everyone seems like one of the biggest lies, particularly when Trump states things like, "Great health care for much less money," and, "we are going to take care of everyone."

Health care is about as personal as it gets; it literally means 'life or death' and I don't know if it gets more personal than that.

I guess Trump really pulled the wool over a lot of folks with the lies.

I for one would never underestimate Trump; I knew decades ago, before he was ever in politics, that he is a liar.
 
So were these:

Woodrow Wilson won re-election in 1916 with the slogan "He kept us out of war," only to enter World War I a year later.

Lyndon B. Johnson promised in 1964, "We are not about to send American boys 9- or 10-thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves." During his presidency, the U.S. entered the Vietnam War and Johnson did not seek reelection.

Richard Nixon in 1968 claimed to "have a secret plan to end the war" and promised to find a way to "peace with honor" in Vietnam, but American troops were not withdrawn until 1973 — a little more than a year before Nixon resigned.

Gerald Ford was the only president to never be elected, so he never made any campaign promises to keep or break. He gets a pass.

Jimmy Carter campaigned on solving the energy crisis, but his speeches about conservation and attempts to add solar panels to the roof of the White House weren't good enough. He was unable to get support for a gas tax, and the energy problem only worsened during his presidency, according to The Atlantic.

Ronald Reagan promised to make a constitutional amendment allowing school prayer during his campaign, and although he proposed the amendment in 1982, it never went anywhere.

George H. W. Bush famously promised in 1988: "Read my lips: No new taxes," only to sign a bill raising taxes during his first and only term.

Bill Clinton campaigned on a renovation of the health care system before he took office in 1993. Although he attempted health care reform — "Hillarycare" — it ended in failure.

George W. Bush promised to "change the tone" in D.C., privatize social security and reduce government spending — none of which he succeeded with.

Barack Obama: Politifact tracked 533 of Obama's promises, and found that 48% of them he managed to keep while 24% of them he broke.

https://www.axios.com/10-big-broken...978-5b4fd8ba-a90a-450a-873e-51226c9861c9.html


No, it doesn't make it ok. It makes it not unusual.

the difference is that destroying Trump's lies is as easy as stopping a tennis ball with a fifteen foot high fence.
 
So were these:

Woodrow Wilson won re-election in 1916 with the slogan "He kept us out of war," only to enter World War I a year later.

Lyndon B. Johnson promised in 1964, "We are not about to send American boys 9- or 10-thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves." During his presidency, the U.S. entered the Vietnam War and Johnson did not seek reelection.

Richard Nixon in 1968 claimed to "have a secret plan to end the war" and promised to find a way to "peace with honor" in Vietnam, but American troops were not withdrawn until 1973 — a little more than a year before Nixon resigned.

Gerald Ford was the only president to never be elected, so he never made any campaign promises to keep or break. He gets a pass.

Jimmy Carter campaigned on solving the energy crisis, but his speeches about conservation and attempts to add solar panels to the roof of the White House weren't good enough. He was unable to get support for a gas tax, and the energy problem only worsened during his presidency, according to The Atlantic.

Ronald Reagan promised to make a constitutional amendment allowing school prayer during his campaign, and although he proposed the amendment in 1982, it never went anywhere.

George H. W. Bush famously promised in 1988: "Read my lips: No new taxes," only to sign a bill raising taxes during his first and only term.

Bill Clinton campaigned on a renovation of the health care system before he took office in 1993. Although he attempted health care reform — "Hillarycare" — it ended in failure.

George W. Bush promised to "change the tone" in D.C., privatize social security and reduce government spending — none of which he succeeded with.

Barack Obama: Politifact tracked 533 of Obama's promises, and found that 48% of them he managed to keep while 24% of them he broke.

https://www.axios.com/10-big-broken...978-5b4fd8ba-a90a-450a-873e-51226c9861c9.html


No, it doesn't make it ok. It makes it not unusual.

This thread IS ABOUT Trump's words on the ACA.

This is NOT a 'whataboutism' thread.

Please do not derail the thread with other subjects.

Go start your own thread.

Thanks
 
the difference is that destroying Trump's lies is as easy as stopping a tennis ball with a fifteen foot high fence.

which has nothing to do with what my point is, but I get what you mean.
 
If anyone took either Trump or Hillary at their word then Trump was for UHC and Hillary was for greater PPACA subsidies.

voting for her was not easy. that one was a vote against. however, Trump is a disaster. we must put at least one congressional hurdle in front of him.
 
This thread IS ABOUT Trump's words on the ACA.

This is NOT a 'whataboutism' thread.

Please do not derail the thread with other subjects.

Go start your own thread.

Thanks


First, I'll do what I want.

Second, you asked in your OP why Trump lied. I'm pointing out why......every President has lied. Sorry it takes the hot air out of your hate balloon. Politicians, including Presidents, and exaggerating what they can/will do once in office, is as traditional as Thanksgiving dinner.

Grown ups know this.
 
voting for her was not easy. that one was a vote against. however, Trump is a disaster. we must put at least one congressional hurdle in front of him.

The irony is that the majority republicant congress has indeed implemented the Hillary policy (of increased PPACA subsidies).

An analysis released Monday by the Department of Health and Human Services shows that while the average premium is going up, the average subsidy to help defray that cost is going up even more. The average tax credit offered to people to cut the price of their insurance will rise in 2018 to $555 — up 45 percent from this year's average credit of $382.

That means many people can take that larger tax credit and buy better insurance for less money. The HHS report shows that about 80 percent of people who buy insurance on the federal exchange could get a policy for $75 a month or less. Last year, policies that cheap were available to only about 71 percent of enrollees, the study shows.

And many people who didn't qualify for subsidies in past years might get one for 2018, Gaba says. That's because the subsidies are based on two things — the federal poverty level and the insurance policy's sticker price — and both of those are going up.

People with gross incomes between 138 percent and 400 percent of the federal poverty level qualify for subsidies to help pay their premiums. That means, for 2017 policies, an individual with a gross income below $47,520 (or a family of four whose income is less than $97,200) can get a subsidy. Because of inflation, those numbers rise to $48,240 and $98,400 for policies sold this fall for 2018.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-offset-your-2018-health-insurance-price-hike
 
First, I'll do what I want.

Second, you asked in your OP why Trump lied. I'm pointing out why......every President has lied. Sorry it takes the hot air out of your hate balloon. Politicians, including Presidents, and exaggerating what they can/will do once in office, is as traditional as Thanksgiving dinner.

Grown ups know this.

I asked you nicely but ................ OK; go start your own Goddamn thread and stop with the derailing bull**** ...........
 
I asked you nicely but ................ OK; go start your own Goddamn thread and stop with the derailing bull**** ...........


Says the King of Derailing threads. You asked a question, I answered. How is that derailing?
 
Another one of those stupid "Trump promised" threads.

What exactly is the point in bickering about work in progress?
Why don't you all come back to discuss what Trump has not achieved AFTER he finishes his 2 terms?
 
Another one of those stupid "Trump promised" threads.

What exactly is the point in bickering about work in progress?
Why don't you all come back to discuss what Trump has not achieved AFTER he finishes his 2 terms?

Coverage is eroding under Trump for the first time in a decade.

His lawyers are in court right now fighting to bring back pre-existing condition exclusions.

He spent most of last year working with the GOP Congress to try and strip people of coverage (he even threw a premature party in the Rose Garden when the atrocious, widely-hated House bill scraped through).

When that failed he moved on to the regulatory apparatus, working to destabilize markets, jack up premiums, and lock people out of coverage through HHS rule-making.

The lies he made about "taking care of everyone" with respect to health care are relevant now. Not later, now.
 
Coverage is eroding under Trump for the first time in a decade.

His lawyers are in court right now fighting to bring back pre-existing condition exclusions.

He spent most of last year working with the GOP Congress to try and strip people of coverage (he even threw a premature party in the Rose Garden when the atrocious, widely-hated House bill scraped through).

When that failed he moved on to the regulatory apparatus, working to destabilize markets, jack up premiums, and lock people out of coverage through HHS rule-making.

The lies he made about "taking care of everyone" with respect to health care are relevant now. Not later, now.


Thank you for your very relevant post; you make very valid points that shoot holes all in Trump's bull**** lies, and you stick to the thread theme.

We certainly cannot say that for bull**** post #10 .................. from member holbritter
 
which has nothing to do with what my point is, but I get what you mean.


When most politicians make promises they are unrealistic statements of lofty goal. If they don't deliver, it isn't necessarily because they didn't mean it in the first place.

Trump is full of **** on just about everything and his later actions indicate that "wonderful insurance for everyone" was never a goal. It was a lie. At the time he said it, he had no intention of actually trying to do it.





But you know that. And you'll keep pretending otherwise to run the "both sides" deflection game.
 
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