Mizzy22
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That's where you're wrong the reason we got Trump and Hillary is the half the people who Don't vote!
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Why don’t they just stop in and stay in Mexico?
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That's where you're wrong the reason we got Trump and Hillary is the half the people who Don't vote!
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Because they can get more value for their labor here and thus provide a better life for themselves and their families. Or because they want to destroy our way of life and take over our country. One of those two I guess.
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BS!
Hillary was hated and so was Trump.
If you want to claim a moral victory for voting for either only confirms how gullible you really are.
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How did the prospect that RetiredUSN might have been recommending nobody vote enter your mind? Did it escape your notice that everyone had at least three non-Trump/non-Clinton voting options available to them and that a some had four or more.
- Vote for Johnson
- Don't vote
- Write in someone who wasn't named on the ballot
- Vote for Dr. Stein
- Vote for Castle
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Terrific!
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Which is what a black worker mainly is: blue collar.
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Not saying Mexico enforces their immigration policy 100 percent but, at least, Mexico makes an attempt at enforcing immigration which is probably one of the few things Mexico is better than the US at.
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Many asylum seekers stayed in Mexico but why didn't all of the remaining eligible asylum seekers get processed in Mexico? Why did they have to move on to the US?
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It's Mizzy22's straw man argument if you haven't already noticed.
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I did notice that it was she making that point. That's why I highlighted her remarks in red.
I should have written "red" as a post header so it was clearer that my comments referred to her remarks, not yours.
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Exodus
They being the would-be immigrants from Central America? Yah, if they're from the cities or have some years of formal education, they likely speak Spanish. From what I understand, a lot of the hopeful immigrants are from rural C. America, & are as likely to speak a native language, rather than Spanish. This marks them as Native Peoples, & further marks them as potential victims for assault, robbery, kidnapping (for ransom), rape & murder on the way.
Mexico is very nationalistic - before Mexico's War of Independence, they might have made common cause with C. America. But history took some odd turns. The Native Peoples (even the Mexican ones) are still @ the bottom of many social rungs in Mexico - & so the C. American's ethnicity doesn't help them. Attempts to clean up the gangs that prey on immigrants on the road have driven them mostly into southern Mexico. Until recently, immunization coverage was better in Mexico & C. America than in the US - so that part is true. But Mexico's schools & healthcare are reserved for Mexican nationals & people who can pay.
For details on the immigration stream through Mexico, see
Enrique's journey / Sonia Nazario, c2006, Random House, 305.23 Naza.
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• Hondurans -- United States -- Biography.
• Immigrant children -- United States -- Biography.
• Illegal aliens -- United States -- Biography.
• Hondurans -- United States -- Social conditions -- Case studies.
• Immigrant children -- United States -- Social conditions -- Case studies.
• Illegal aliens -- United States -- Social conditions -- Case studies.
• Honduras -- Emigration and immigration -- Case studies.
• United States -- Emigration and immigration -- Case studies.
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• Based on the Los Angeles Times series that won two Pulitzer Prizes, this is a timeless story of families torn apart. When Enrique was five, his mother, too poor to feed her children, left Honduras to work in the United States. The move allowed her to send money back home so Enrique could eat better and go to school past the third grade. She promised she would return quickly, but she struggled in America. Without her, he became lonely and troubled. After eleven years, he decided he would go find her. He set off alone, with little more than a slip of paper bearing his mother's North Carolina telephone number. Without money, he made the dangerous trek up the length of Mexico, clinging to the sides and tops of freight trains. He and other migrants, many of them children, are hunted like animals. To evade bandits and authorities, they must jump onto and off the moving boxcars they call the Train of Death. It is an epic journey, one thousands of children make each year to find their mothers in the United States.--From publisher description.
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• xxv, 291 pages, [16] pages of plates : no index
An excellent account of the Hondurans risking crossing Mexico. & why they do it.
They being the would-be immigrants from Central America? Yah, if they're from the cities or have some years of formal education, they likely speak Spanish. From what I understand, a lot of the hopeful immigrants are from rural C. America, & are as likely to speak a native language, rather than Spanish. This marks them as Native Peoples, & further marks them as potential victims for assault, robbery, kidnapping (for ransom), rape & murder on the way.
Mexico is very nationalistic - before Mexico's War of Independence, they might have made common cause with C. America. But history took some odd turns. The Native Peoples (even the Mexican ones) are still @ the bottom of many social rungs in Mexico - & so the C. American's ethnicity doesn't help them. Attempts to clean up the gangs that prey on immigrants on the road have driven them mostly into southern Mexico. Until recently, immunization coverage was better in Mexico & C. America than in the US - so that part is true. But Mexico's schools & healthcare are reserved for Mexican nationals & people who can pay.
For details on the immigration stream through Mexico, see
Enrique's journey / Sonia Nazario, c2006, Random House, 305.23 Naza.
Subjects
• Hondurans -- United States -- Biography.
• Immigrant children -- United States -- Biography.
• Illegal aliens -- United States -- Biography.
• Hondurans -- United States -- Social conditions -- Case studies.
• Immigrant children -- United States -- Social conditions -- Case studies.
• Illegal aliens -- United States -- Social conditions -- Case studies.
• Honduras -- Emigration and immigration -- Case studies.
• United States -- Emigration and immigration -- Case studies.
Summary
• Based on the Los Angeles Times series that won two Pulitzer Prizes, this is a timeless story of families torn apart. When Enrique was five, his mother, too poor to feed her children, left Honduras to work in the United States. The move allowed her to send money back home so Enrique could eat better and go to school past the third grade. She promised she would return quickly, but she struggled in America. Without her, he became lonely and troubled. After eleven years, he decided he would go find her. He set off alone, with little more than a slip of paper bearing his mother's North Carolina telephone number. Without money, he made the dangerous trek up the length of Mexico, clinging to the sides and tops of freight trains. He and other migrants, many of them children, are hunted like animals. To evade bandits and authorities, they must jump onto and off the moving boxcars they call the Train of Death. It is an epic journey, one thousands of children make each year to find their mothers in the United States.--From publisher description.
Length
• xxv, 291 pages, [16] pages of plates : no index
An excellent account of the Hondurans risking crossing Mexico. & why they do it.
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Re: Exodus
There's an easy answer here: Mexico does not want them. Besides that the migrants know the US will provide them all sorts of benefits just for showing up.
There's an easy answer here: Mexico does not want them. Besides that the migrants know the US will provide them all sorts of benefits just for showing up.
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Something's gotta give
Net migration flows between Mexico & the US reversed when the US economy tanked - TMK, the net flow is still of Mexican nationals leaving the US & returning to Mexico. The Mexican economy apparently is doing better, & can absorb more labor than before. But Mexican jobs are still prioritized to Mexican nationals. Even with their economy booming, I don't think they're reached full employment. & so illegal immigrants to Mexico get the dirty, dangerous jobs, are last hired & first fired - the usual stuff.
Net migration flows between Mexico & the US reversed when the US economy tanked - TMK, the net flow is still of Mexican nationals leaving the US & returning to Mexico. The Mexican economy apparently is doing better, & can absorb more labor than before. But Mexican jobs are still prioritized to Mexican nationals. Even with their economy booming, I don't think they're reached full employment. & so illegal immigrants to Mexico get the dirty, dangerous jobs, are last hired & first fired - the usual stuff.
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A kind of Trojan horse?
Yah, with US support & funding. See https://www.reference.com/governmen...id-united-states-give-mexico-d1238a7e5dd87a09
"In 2018, the U.S. government will give Mexico $87,660,000 in foreign aid. The largest segment, 56 percent, will go toward peace and security. The second largest segment will go toward democracy, human rights and governance.
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"Peace and Security Aid
"The United States will give Mexico $48.66 million dollars to be used directly for peace and security within the country, according to PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. The goal of this foreign assistance is to weaken transnational criminal organizations, reform legal institutions and create a modernized border greater for greater prosperity and security for both countries.
"Drug Prevention
"Eighty-six percent of this budget, or $42 million, has been earmarked for counter-narcotics. These funds will be used to combat the manufacturing and trafficking of narcotics and to reduce the cultivation and production of drugs. This money will also be used to create demand-reduction projects and limit the widespread effect of the drug trade across international borders."
(My emphasis - more @ the URL)
US foreign policy sensibly tries to cut inflows of immigrants, drugs, crime @ Mexico's southern border. We provide help, often in the form of credits or loans, good to buy US helicopters, Hummers, individual tactical equipment, comms, etc. This is another reason that Mexico is hard on immigrants there - even if individuals sympathize with would-be immigrants to Mexico or the US, if the Mexican government wants US aid to continue, they have to bite the bullet.
Yah, with US support & funding. See https://www.reference.com/governmen...id-united-states-give-mexico-d1238a7e5dd87a09
"In 2018, the U.S. government will give Mexico $87,660,000 in foreign aid. The largest segment, 56 percent, will go toward peace and security. The second largest segment will go toward democracy, human rights and governance.
…
"Peace and Security Aid
"The United States will give Mexico $48.66 million dollars to be used directly for peace and security within the country, according to PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. The goal of this foreign assistance is to weaken transnational criminal organizations, reform legal institutions and create a modernized border greater for greater prosperity and security for both countries.
"Drug Prevention
"Eighty-six percent of this budget, or $42 million, has been earmarked for counter-narcotics. These funds will be used to combat the manufacturing and trafficking of narcotics and to reduce the cultivation and production of drugs. This money will also be used to create demand-reduction projects and limit the widespread effect of the drug trade across international borders."
(My emphasis - more @ the URL)
US foreign policy sensibly tries to cut inflows of immigrants, drugs, crime @ Mexico's southern border. We provide help, often in the form of credits or loans, good to buy US helicopters, Hummers, individual tactical equipment, comms, etc. This is another reason that Mexico is hard on immigrants there - even if individuals sympathize with would-be immigrants to Mexico or the US, if the Mexican government wants US aid to continue, they have to bite the bullet.