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Trump On the New Time Cover

veritas1 said:
Now that the separation is ended the Dems will rally around keeping the illegals here forever. I mean, since they were separated a few days they deserve to be let in, right? Imagine how all the poor slobs trying to come in legally must feel.
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Well if you're willing to concede, as Trump did, that his separation policy was an abject failure, then yeah - I'm happy to move-on to the subsequent discussion.

Don't mistake my disgust with Trump's separation-policy causing a humanitarian crisis, with support of open borders. I want an air-tight border, and an E-verify mandate. I abhor the porous border both parties & our government have given us. I support Trump in his general, though not specific desire to end illegal immigration (separation is an example where I disagree).

While the Dems had the right side of the Trump separation issue, I believe they are wrong in general on the illegal immigration issue in the larger sense, and have seen some polls indicating this. It was one of the reasons I left the Party, though my disgust with Trump recently brought me back in.

As to Dem policy in this specific issue (separation), I believe they'll need to go along with stricter enforcement, while still rallying for humane treatment of those we prevent from legally entering. We will either have to throw enough resources at the border to handle the situation humanely, or we will have to throw enough resources at it to seal it off more adequately.

I'm not sure a physical wall is the solution - it may be - but there needs to be an effectual wall. We simply cannot allow a porous border, and by doing so we end-up causing all sorts of social problems, as was seen this week with the kids.

I'd also add, we have to find those separated 3K+ kids and get them back to their parents. I have no idea how we are going to do that with those whose parents have already been deported to the Central American countries like Guatemala-Honduras-Nicaragua. Those countries don't have an effective government nor functioning communications infrastructure. I fear those kids are now ours, and DHS is already claiming some of these kids will never be united with their families.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
It's funny how the tea party always cried about the silent majority, and now that appears to be the democrats and the majority of the public. The WH is filled w/a bunch of trolls. They are the loudest voices in the room, but it does appear most people are sick of this already.
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The bolded is the title of an excellent biography on Rodger Ailes, and describes the phenomenon accurately & in great depth. It's a great read, and strong enough in cites & bibliography to carry itself as an academic textbook (IMO).
 
TheGoverness said:
This is America. Don't catch you slippin' up.

CLASS OF 2021
PRIDE
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*Gay* pride, and you buying into that stuff at such a young and impressionable age....

How sad.

"Gay" is a one-word oxymoron. Homosexuals are unusually violent, and engage in murders and mass murders more often than normal people.
Sorry, but facts are not *homophobic*. They're facts.
 
veritas1 said:
3.4 million new jobs. Wages up. 31% stock market gain in Trump's first year, best since FDR. Yea, horrible.
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His first year was Obama's economy. Duh.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The Obama trends are slowing.
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Exactly.

There is no way the Trump administration will equal the Obama administration in the reduction in the unemployment rate, nor will they likely match Obama on increase in the stock market.

We may have room to debate the hows & whys, but I doubt we'll be debating my statement above.
 
Roadvirus said:
So...when's TIME going to show pictures of victims of Planned Parenthood?
Oh yeah..they won't cuz that's not Trump's doing.
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Whataboutism at its finest
 
Chomsky said:
Exactly.

There is no way the Trump administration will equal the Obama administration in the reduction in the unemployment rate, nor will they likely match Obama on increase in the stock market.

We may have room to debate the hows & whys, but I doubt we'll be debating my statement above.
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But that is due to simple mathematics, not any supposed greatness of Obama.
 
Fletch said:
Which means Obamas first year was Bush's economy. Ok
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It was. And Reagan's first year was Jimmy's. I notice none of the Republicans ever argue against that point. :roll:
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Thursday, June 21, 2018

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports®
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You either did not read, or do not understand the fivethirtyeight.com approval ratings...which of course included the Rasmussen Reports, and corrected same for their "C"
rating on reliability. It is true they most favor Trump of all the polls, and therefore his supporters use it a lot to support their positions.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
What's the parents role in this? The parents show such miserable judgement to drag their small child thru extremely dangerous situations. They put their child in harms way from criminals who are involved with the smuggling of people and from the extreme temperatures that the desert provides in the summer time. And then they break our immigration laws! This is child abuse in the worst way. All the biased media can do is scream Trump.... We hate Trump!
Stop dragging your kids illegally across the border!!
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A humane individual might wonder what living conditions would drive a person to do this? Take a second and try.
 
veritas1 said:
Hilarious. We've showered you guys with facts. You simply don't like them. The FACT is that Obama separated families and put people in detention centers. The FACT is that most of the kids recently arrived are NOT with families. The FACT is that the separation policy was ended by Trump, not Obama or anyone else. Facts don't help you in the get Trump crusade. That is why you ignore them.
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The fact is that once the children are separated from their parent, and the parent is entered in the criminal system, the children are redefined as "unaccompanied"

The fact is that Trump initiated this zero tolerance separation policy, and then lied claiming it was the law.

I think it may be you having trouble with some facts.
 
calamity said:
It was. And Reagan's first year was Jimmy's. I notice none of the Republicans ever argue against that point. :roll:
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Reagans first year was hardly his best.
 
Fletch said:
But that is due to simple mathematics, not any supposed greatness of Obama.
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Yes, but the math cuts both ways.

Trump is claiming he's responsible for many records lately. Obviously he is enjoying breaking through records that were approached near the end of the Obama administration, by carrying forth the same similar trend-lines.

For instance: When you've had a long steady trend-line over quite a few years bringing unemployment down to the mid 4% range, nearing full employment, carrying that trend just a bit longer is going to result in sub-4 pt full-employment, where a lot of very good stuff like rising wages and increased workforce participation will occur.

I'm not going to beat Trump here. He didn't muck it up. And his policies are likely helping at least tangentially. But I believe his braggadocio, and that of his supporters, isn't quite warranted as much as they would like us to believe.

Also, and this is a historical thing, I'm finding it hard to believe we will not see a economic and/or market correction under Trump somewhere down the line. That will obviously hurt his numbers. I wouldn't doubt if it occurs during his first term to some extent, but definitely by the end of his second.
 
Chomsky said:
The bolded is the title of an excellent biography on Rodger Ailes, and describes the phenomenon accurately & in great depth. It's a great read, and strong enough in cites & bibliography to carry itself as an academic textbook (IMO).
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Oh I know. I have read my fair share of political books, during my Fox News viewing days, probably because their guests always sell books. It was a good read.
 
calamity said:
lol...if you haven't figured that out yet, not my problem.

As far as I am concerned though:

1. Inflation due to his stupid trade war nonsense, requiring two recent interest rate hikes
2. Creating unrest domestically
3. Creating instability with our allies
4. Diminishing US influence and respectability around the globe
5. Allowing democracy to dwindle while cozying up to dictators
6. Added $1T in debt with foolish tax cuts thus forcing more cuts in SS and Medicare
7. Caused oil process to skyrocket due to cutting Iranian oil out of the supply chain
8. Creating Tension with Canada and failing to find a reasonable solution with Mexico
9. Throwing children into concentration camps
10. Constant war on truth, making mendacity the norm
11. Stupid North Korea move
12 Stupider Russian moves
13. Money laundering
14. Nepotism
15. Cabinet filled with people opposed to the departments they head
16. Canceling war exercises with South Korea
17. Muslim Ban nonsense
18. Christian ass sucking nonsense
19. Incompetent judges nominated
20. Incompetent cabinet members nominated
21. Attacks on social institutions
22. Attacks on media
23. Attacks on veterans
24. Attacks on POWs
25. Mocking of disabled people
26. Felons on his campaign committee.
27. Felons in his family
28. Failure to release tax returns
29. Refusal to divest personal business while holding office
30. Cutting sweetheart deals with countries who give his children money

I could probably make it to 50 without too much effort.
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I appreciate your effort in forming this list...But the phrase Casting pearls before swine comes to mind
 
According to 538 Trumps approval rating may/june is the highest it has been since March 2017.

Interesting...no?
 
calamity said:
Shows the strength of the Obama economy which you refused to acknowledge for 8 years. So, your bias is noted.


lol... check this out.

His tariffs have 20% support and he is less popular among Americans than Canada's prime minister.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/politics/economy-tariffs-poll/index.html
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I didn't refuse to acknowledge it, the economy was good when Obama left office. We could argue over whether or not the stimulus spending of both Bush and Obama was worth it, which I don't think it helped much personally, but sure, Obama left with a good economy. Fact is, it's not getting worse, it's getting better and that's a sign that people aren't as upset as you think.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, but the math cuts both ways.

Trump is claiming he's responsible for many records lately. Obviously he is enjoying breaking through records that were approached near the end of the Obama administration, by carrying forth the same similar trend-lines.

For instance: When you've had a long steady trend-line over quite a few years bringing unemployment down to the mid 4% range, nearing full employment, carrying that trend just a bit longer is going to result in sub-4 pt full-employment, where a lot of very good stuff like rising wages and increased workforce participation will occur.

I'm not going to beat Trump here. He didn't muck it up. And his policies are likely helping at least tangentially. But I believe his braggadocio, and that of his supporters, isn't quite warranted as much as they would like us to believe.

Also, and this is a historical thing, I'm finding it hard to believe we will not see a economic and/or market correction under Trump somewhere down the line. That will obviously hurt his numbers. I wouldn't doubt if it occurs during his first term to some extent, but definitely by the end of his second.
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Yes, presidents get waaay too much credit and blame for the economy
 
veritas1 said:
I never said I hated anyone. I never said anything about carrying a dead fetus to term. That's absurd. Some abortions are necessary for sure but it is basically after the fact birth control now in the vast majority of cases. The difference here is that an abortion results in death and death is permanent. Being separated at the border temporarily is nowhere near that yet, from all the cataclysmic caterwauling, you'd think these people were being hanged up by their thumbs.
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Do you have some credential as a pediatric psychologist educated in permanence of trauma? Do you have access to government secrets about just how temporary these separations are? Or do you just imagine anything Trump does is peachy keen, and you willingly jump on the train to defend it? Just wondering how a healthy mind got to this post.
 
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