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Gun Control VS Immigration

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I made an interesting comparison today.

1. Gun Control advocates usually support very lackluster (if any) gun control laws. They say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They say gun laws won't help because a bad guy with a gun is already thinking about and breaking the law.

2. Conservatives are usually very much against illegal immigration. Usually saying that illegals are taking our jobs away and that we need a wall to stop them, and that we need to kick them out. Why aren't people saying, immigration laws won't help because a bad guy wanting to come into this country illegally is already thinking about and breaking the law.

How can you be for one form of government but against another? This is an interesting comparison that I don't hear too often.The difference between the stances of no gun laws, vs very strict immigration policies.
 
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NeverTrumpGOP said:
I made an interesting comparison today.

1. Gun Control advocates usually support very lackluster (if any) gun control laws. They say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They say gun laws won't help because a bad guy with a gun is already thinking about and breaking the law.

2. Conservatives are usually very much against illegal immigration. Usually saying that illegals are taking our jobs away and that we need a wall to stop them, and that we need to kick them out. Why aren't people saying, immigration laws won't help because a bad guy with a wanting to come into this country illegally is already thinking about and breaking the law.

How can you be for one form of government but against another? This is an interesting comparison that I don't hear too often.The difference between the stances of no gun laws, vs very strict immigration policies.
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Because the gun control advocates are usually white and the immigrants are usually not.

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NeverTrumpGOP said:
I made an interesting comparison today.

1. Gun Control advocates usually support very lackluster (if any) gun control laws. They say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They say gun laws won't help because a bad guy with a gun is already thinking about and breaking the law.

2. Conservatives are usually very much against illegal immigration. Usually saying that illegals are taking our jobs away and that we need a wall to stop them, and that we need to kick them out. Why aren't people saying, immigration laws won't help because a bad guy with a wanting to come into this country illegally is already thinking about and breaking the law.

How can you be for one form of government but against another? This is an interesting comparison that I don't hear too often.The difference between the stances of no gun laws, vs very strict immigration policies.
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I hear criminals don't obey laws like gun laws.....except immigration law where we need more of that. LOL
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I made an interesting comparison today.

1. Gun Control advocates usually support very lackluster (if any) gun control laws. They say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They say gun laws won't help because a bad guy with a gun is already thinking about and breaking the law.

2. Conservatives are usually very much against illegal immigration. Usually saying that illegals are taking our jobs away and that we need a wall to stop them, and that we need to kick them out. Why aren't people saying, immigration laws won't help because a bad guy with a wanting to come into this country illegally is already thinking about and breaking the law.

How can you be for one form of government but against another? This is an interesting comparison that I don't hear too often.The difference between the stances of no gun laws, vs very strict immigration policies.
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I disagree with most of what you say. It is not an accurate portrayal of how the right thinks. You read too much Media Matters.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I made an interesting comparison today.

1. Gun Control advocates usually support very lackluster (if any) gun control laws. They say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They say gun laws won't help because a bad guy with a gun is already thinking about and breaking the law.

2. Conservatives are usually very much against illegal immigration. Usually saying that illegals are taking our jobs away and that we need a wall to stop them, and that we need to kick them out. Why aren't people saying, immigration laws won't help because a bad guy with a wanting to come into this country illegally is already thinking about and breaking the law.

How can you be for one form of government but against another? This is an interesting comparison that I don't hear too often.The difference between the stances of no gun laws, vs very strict immigration policies.
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The immigration laws do not work, which is why we have the problem will illegal immigration. We don't need new laws, we need better enforcement of both gun and immigration laws.
 
Why doesn't the right say "We shouldn't have laws at all because people who break laws will break laws"?
 
Moderate Right said:
I disagree with most of what you say. It is not an accurate portrayal of how the right thinks. You read too much Media Matters.
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It's what I've observed on this forum, do you have a different POV or are you just screeching about nothing?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I made an interesting comparison today.

1. Gun Control advocates usually support very lackluster (if any) gun control laws. They say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They say gun laws won't help because a bad guy with a gun is already thinking about and breaking the law.

2. Conservatives are usually very much against illegal immigration. Usually saying that illegals are taking our jobs away and that we need a wall to stop them, and that we need to kick them out. Why aren't people saying, immigration laws won't help because a bad guy wanting to come into this country illegally is already thinking about and breaking the law.

How can you be for one form of government but against another? This is an interesting comparison that I don't hear too often.The difference between the stances of no gun laws, vs very strict immigration policies.
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This is a true "false dilemma," not simply like comparing apples and oranges, but more like comparing apples and elephants and trying to say one should be either for or against both to hold to their ideals. :doh

As an American citizen I am protected in the preservation of my inalienable rights by the U.S. Constitution. Gun control arguments are based on how this protection is supposed to work.

On the other hand the awarding of American citizenship to immigrants is more like bestowing a privilege, because it can be awarded based on legal avenues or revoked by same. (Note: Birthright citizenship can also be given up voluntarily).

One is a right regardless of citizenship, although our nation protects this right from infringement. The other is a privilege when it comes to immigration.

We will fight for our rights. We will monitor how the gift of citizenship is awarded.
 
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NeverTrumpGOP said:
I made an interesting comparison today.

1. Gun Control advocates usually support very lackluster (if any) gun control laws. They say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They say gun laws won't help because a bad guy with a gun is already thinking about and breaking the law.

2. Conservatives are usually very much against illegal immigration. Usually saying that illegals are taking our jobs away and that we need a wall to stop them, and that we need to kick them out. Why aren't people saying, immigration laws won't help because a bad guy wanting to come into this country illegally is already thinking about and breaking the law.

How can you be for one form of government but against another? This is an interesting comparison that I don't hear too often.The difference between the stances of no gun laws, vs very strict immigration policies.
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The short is there is simply no coherent (not by any definition of the word) set of principles governing conservative ideology and the policies that issue therefrom.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
It's what I've observed on this forum, do you have a different POV or are you just screeching about nothing?
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I have also observed that people, such as yourself, blinded by Trump hatred, latch onto things from the ultra far right and claim them to be representing the right in general. And, some of the things you mentioned are only small parts of the belief system and you grab onto that and totally avoid the better arguments of the right so that you can portray them as loonies, out of touch with moderate America. Yes, I have different viewpoints but it is a waste of time debating with someone who is so far left all they can see is where the blinders allow them to see.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I made an interesting comparison today.

1. Gun Control advocates usually support very lackluster (if any) gun control laws. They say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. They say gun laws won't help because a bad guy with a gun is already thinking about and breaking the law.

2. Conservatives are usually very much against illegal immigration. Usually saying that illegals are taking our jobs away and that we need a wall to stop them, and that we need to kick them out. Why aren't people saying, immigration laws won't help because a bad guy wanting to come into this country illegally is already thinking about and breaking the law.

How can you be for one form of government but against another? This is an interesting comparison that I don't hear too often.The difference between the stances of no gun laws, vs very strict immigration policies.
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Because The Constitution says it's the governments job to secure the sovereignty of The United States. The Constitution also says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Gun ownership is a right. Immigration isn't. It's literally that simple.
 
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