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I have to ask, where’s the outrage?

Nobody ever said that there were no ill effects on the child. Of course they will have ill effects. Are you seriously trying to justify ripping babies out of the arms of their mothers, X? Because I thought you were better than that.

You were wrong.

The people who support Trump have no principles or morals. Even the ones who pretend to have them on occassion --by weakly criticizing Trump on some minor issue-- are just as craven and morally perverse as most full-throated Trumpasite

Is there some reason you're doing as much as possible to avoid explaining what exactly you are trying to say with your OP?

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But isn’t the damage to the child that’s been cited so often recently just the same?

In many instances, yes. Horrible things happen every second of the day. People are murdered, raped, tortured, kidknapped, and subject to all manner of horrible things. And if such people could be swayed by protests and public outrage you would have a point. But “bad guys” don’t care about the will of the people. They don’t work for us. There is no office they can be voted out of.

However, we CAN affect the behavior of public servants.
 
So that separation is totally fine and has not ill effect on the child? Because I’ve been told there aren’t exceptions.

Then why would the Govt add to it?
 
Who knows? Maybe they thought that by sending them here unaccompanied, they'd be taken care of and not sent back across the border without an adult with them. Sometimes parents are selfless, and do things to better the lives of their children.

I'm quite sure they never expected them to be locked up in cages.

So, sending your minor children out into the desert and hoping they reach our border alive is good parenting? I really think there is nothing you guys won't rationalize in order to attack Trump.
 
Nobody ever said that there were no ill effects on the child. Of course they will have ill effects. Are you seriously trying to justify ripping babies out of the arms of their mothers, X? Because I thought you were better than that.

If you’re asking me if kids should never be separated from their parents, I have to say no. I’m sorry, Superfly, but there are many instances of kids being separated from their parents that there’s not a peep about.
 
If you’re asking me if kids should never be separated from their parents, I have to say no. I’m sorry, Superfly, but there are many instances of kids being separated from their parents that there’s not a peep about.

So is it always wrong for a parent to separate a child from their family?

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The inability to grasp context is a horrible affliction.
 
The inability to grasp context is a horrible affliction.

So “context” means no harm happens to children sent off on their own by the parents?
 
So “context” means no harm happens to children sent off on their own by the parents?

There's harm to children even when separated from an abusive parent. But that harm is outweighed by the good of a decent environment.
 
If it harms their children, then why are these parents sending their kids to the US alone?

I’m really not sure because it doesn’t seem to be as much of a concern.
 
You were wrong.

The people who support Trump have no principles or morals. Even the ones who pretend to have them on occassion --by weakly criticizing Trump on some minor issue-- are just as craven and morally perverse as most full-throated Trumpasite



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We are a lot alike. We say the exact same thing about you. Now there is irony. I wonder who thinks they are the most pious.
 
So “context” means no harm happens to children sent off on their own by the parents?

Yes harm comes to those children as well. I dont think anyone is disputing the fact that being sent to an unknown country by your parents is going to cause some issues. The point is the harm it causes is better than the harm that would occur if they stayed. If it wasn't their parents wouldn't have sent them.

Lets say youre in a situation in which you and your entire family is being threatened. You have enough money to get one person out of the country to safety. Do you send your child alone, or do you keep them with you despite the fact that staying is almost certainly a death sentence? Most parents would send them.
 
The American public should be outraged that elected officials are not doing more to discourage people coming here illegally. Disincentives work. But with immigration, rather than creating disincentives to illegal immigration, we enable it. We enable it with amnesty. We enable it with catch and release. We enable it with preferential treatment towards accompanied minors.

I'm not outraged at the government for the way they are separating families. Yes, it is a terrible thing to watch and no, I am not asking for families to be split up. However, I'm outraged because those families (and individuals) didn't see enough disincentives to coming here illegally that they would choose the legal path instead.

The American people have been waiting for border security since the Reagan amnesty. It is long past time someone put their foot down and says no more band aids, no more empathetic pleas and moral imperatives to address immigration without legislation, and no more "relief" before "security".

Write a bill. Take a vote. That's their job. My outrage is again letting congress off the hook because as a people, "we feel badly for families". This Mickey Mouse shell game needs to end...with a law passed by congress and signed by the President.
 
If you do not know why, then how do you know it was wrong for them to send their kids here alone?

I’m inquiring if grave harm exists in the separation.
 
The large majority of minors in custody of ICE were separated from their families by their families and sent here by themselves. Why no outrage over that? From all I’ve seen, parents are held completely blameless. What would happen if an American parent sent their child to a foreign country?

I'm outraged by that.

Tell me who these parents are so I can blame them now.
 
I’m inquiring if grave harm exists in the separation.

I am asking why the parents are sending their kids here alone?

I have been asking since post #2, and you have been dodging the question every time I ask it
 
The large majority of minors in custody of ICE were separated from their families by their families and sent here by themselves. Why no outrage over that? From all I’ve seen, parents are held completely blameless. What would happen if an American parent sent their child to a foreign country?

Okay, let me take a few of these.

First, i'll go with the last question. Those parents would likely be chastised, and rightly so. Despite the caterwaulingT by some about this country, poverty, and the poor, the average standard of living in the US is exceptionally good. We're 7th in terms of national income per capita and 10th on the UN's human development index. There's few places that a parent could send their child to that would objectively give them an opportunity for a better life, and few legitimate reasons for why sending them away would be the better option than staying in place. That same thing can't be said for the locations where many of the unaccompanied minors are coming from. So the context plays a huge role in that being in no way similar.

Second, as to your question why there's no outrage, but first...

Before I get into that, let me just ask...why not asking this in reverse as well, hmm? I remember people suggesting that families were so irresponsible and bad for sending their child away without a parent. I also seem to remember people that are of a similar mind to those who are not outraged at this being outraged over "black families without fathers". I remember them being upset about how horrible it would be for a child to have two daddies because a standard male and female parental unit is always superior. I remember them being upset by the notion of unwed mothers. I remember them often being the type that have been outrage over the government coming in and removing children from the home due to "abuse" that they found to be questionable. Why then is the question not why they are NOT outraged in this instance when a child is made to not have a family unit, but were outraged in those other times.

But now to your actual question. Why there's not as much outrage? Two possible reasons, one of which you'd think a conservative would've immediately got. The first likely reason is that there's a base assumption that a parent sending a child alone to the U.S. is doing so out of desperation, despite the pain it causes them, in hopes of giving their child a better life and that is viewed as far less worthy of condemnation than separating a family, sometimes in extreme fashion, in order to enforce an immigration law to a degree that presidents of both parties did not go to. The second potential reason is that there is more trust and belief in the altruistic nature of a parent and them knowing "whats best" for a child than there is trust in a government entity forcing the situation and bungling it in the process.

The third answer for it all is pretty simple...one of these things (parents of the unaccompanied minors) are a faceless entity that the public has no real tie to or ability to vent their frustration towards. They are an simply a unknown pathwork entity of unseen parents. That is far more difficult to show outrage towards than a government agency or administration who's presence and policies and statements on it are all front and center and clearly identifiable as a means of pointing blame. Outrage is easier when there's a tangible target.
 
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