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Trump is ending family separation

Mycroft said:
This won't change a thing.
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It already has, djt's misadministration's attempt to hold little kids for a 25 Billion dollar ransom ... FAILED! Who knew funding a wall the majority of AmeriCANs don't want would be so hard.

7. Congress won't fix it.
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That would be the impotent Republican controlled congress ... wouldn't it?

We'll stay right where we are with Trump using the children" to get his wall.
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I don't think so.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Because detaining children isn't a desirable solution, and no one will tolerate that for long, yet catch-and-release was an abject failure. That leaves only one option -- keep 'em out -- and that's what Congress will now feel is the best solution.
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The only thing that will ever solve the problem meaningfully is to cut the demand side. Beef up the borders and start to really punish people who employ illegals. The "wall" is mostly cosmetic (and Trump ego-food) and there are large areas that simply aren't practical to build walls on. There also needs to be a way to allow guest workers through and keep track of them. There really are seasonal jobs Americans won't do.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I'm guessing "not", but we'll see. Things aren't getting better...

Isn't His Most Majestic Excellency due to have the bigly biggest military parade ever coming up soon? I seem to remember he demanded one be held in July, but I might be off a bit.
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At least he got over the idea of making the military work extra on Veterans Day but, is there any federal holiday (holy day?) that is a good time to make the military put on a show for The Donald instead of spending time with their families?
 
Ikari said:
The previous policies wasn't one of "open borders"

lol
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Catch and release is about as close as one can get without actually being so, therefore the open borders crowd likes it.
 
haymarket said:
Trump kept saying it was a law forcing him to do this and the Democrats were responsible for it.
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It is common practice when there is large amount of people crossing the border to segregate women, men, and children. Its to save space from the limited amount of space in the detention centers. Segregate allows for a more human way to pack more people in. When illegal immigration is low its a lot easier to give family their own space.
It is law that the adults have to prosecuted. It law that children will have to be released after 20 days. Its law that their is only so many judges so in times of huge influxes the detention time increases. It is law that their is only so much funding for detention centers. Its laws that create the incentive for more immigrants to try and sneak across the border. So it most of the ways it is on congress to change any of that. For congress to change any of that it is going to need at least some Democrats to help.
 
StuPedaso said:
It already has, djt's misadministration's attempt to hold little kids for a 25 Billion dollar ransom ... FAILED! Who knew funding a wall the majority of AmeriCANs don't want would be so hard.



That would be the impotent Republican controlled congress ... wouldn't it?



I don't think so.
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So...the only way you can argue your position is to dishonestly change my words. I have no time for a craven, disgusting individual who cannot argue his own position.

You are dismissed.
 
hanger4 said:
He's right, only Congress can change it, he didn't lie. Now via EO he shall ignore the law and his constitutional duty as has previous administrations. Same ol ****, different day.
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A couple of days ago he said he COULD NOT change this policy with an EO. Now he claims to have done just that. So was he lying then or is he lying now?
 
haymarket said:
A couple of days ago he said he COULD NOT change this policy with an EO. Now he claims to have done just that. So was he lying then or is he lying now?
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All he did was decide to break the law (which is what everyone wanted him to do). The Trump haters will love him for this.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Did you read your own link? My God man.
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Of course I read it and I C&P'd the salient part. There seems to be a law requiring the separation of children from parents under certain conditions.
 
jdog21 said:
It is common practice when there is large amount of people crossing the border to segregate women, men, and children. Its to save space from the limited amount of space in the detention centers. Segregate allows for a more human way to pack more people in. When illegal immigration is low its a lot easier to give family their own space.
It is law that the adults have to prosecuted. It law that children will have to be released after 20 days. Its law that their is only so many judges so in times of huge influxes the detention time increases. It is law that their is only so much funding for detention centers. Its laws that create the incentive for more immigrants to try and sneak across the border. So it most of the ways it is on congress to change any of that. For congress to change any of that it is going to need at least some Democrats to help.
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There was NO LAW which forced Trump to adopt this change in policy that even his own administration had not previously followed. But he said there was. And he blamed it on the Democrats and said they needed to come to the table.

btw- today Trump had only Republicans at the table in his big White House pre-signing love fest.

He lies and then lies some more.
 
haymarket said:
A couple of days ago he said he COULD NOT change this policy with an EO. Now he claims to have done just that. So was he lying then or is he lying now?
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Link the quote, thanks.
 
haymarket said:
There was NO LAW which forced Trump to adopt this change in policy that even his own administration had not previously followed. But he said there was. And he blamed it on the Democrats and said they needed to come to the table.

btw- today Trump had only Republicans at the table in his big White House pre-signing love fest.

He lies and then lies some more.
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Please tell us then what could Trump do to make the situation different and more pleasing to you?
 
haymarket said:
There was NO LAW which forced Trump to adopt this change in policy that even his own administration had not previously followed. But he said there was. And he blamed it on the Democrats and said they needed to come to the table.

btw- today Trump had only Republicans at the table in his big White House pre-signing love fest.

He lies and then lies some more.
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He was half right. There is a court ruling that prevents keeping children along with their parents, Obama was sued for doing this. Where he is wrong is blaming the Democrats for it. He is right that Democrats are needed to come to the table in order to change the law as a President doesn't have the power to do so. He can sign an EO but it would be struck down by the court system because it is beyond his capacity as president.
 
StuPedaso said:
It already has, djt's misadministration's attempt to hold little kids for a 25 Billion dollar ransom ... FAILED! Who knew funding a wall the majority of AmeriCANs don't want would be so hard.



That would be the impotent Republican controlled congress ... wouldn't it?



I don't think so.
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I too have long thought Trump was only holding these kids hostage, using them as Trump card, to extort money from congress, for a ridiculous wall that most people don't want.

Myself, I'd be cool with a ridiculous wall. (Of course, that is as long as the Mexican's are paying for it like Trump promised. :lamo ) Trump is so full of ****.
 
Going to depend on how he goes about this before decrying "but I thought he said only democrats could fix it!!! Haha".

If he tailors the EO in a way that is in conflict from the law, eventually it will be challenged by an immigration group that wants it revoked in an effort to have pressure once again on the zero tolerance policy. If it is then struck down, it actually fuels his claim instead of hurts it.

However, if he tailors it in a way that doesn't conflict, then it absolutely makes his bluster look foolish. I bring this first possibility up though as a legitimate warning if a possibility so other people don't pull a Trump and bluster a bunch before looking foolish.

We'll see how this goes.


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And all it took was a deluge of phone calls, emails, fundraisers, boycotts, public shaming, bad press, and National Guard withdrawal to get the President to act like he has a soul for five minutes.
 
Nap said:
He was half right. There is a court ruling that prevents keeping children along with their parents, Obama was sued for doing this. Where he is wrong is blaming the Democrats for it. He is right that Democrats are needed to come to the table in order to change the law as a President doesn't have the power to do so. He can sign an EO but it would be struck down by the court system because it is beyond his capacity as president.
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If the Dems need to "come to the table" as Trump puts it, why were they excluded today from the White House meeting with Cabinet members and Congressional leaders?
 
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"Trump’s announcement that he would end family separation follows a parade of statements by his adminstration claiming that it was outside their power to do such a thing. ..

The ACLU’s executive director, Anthony Romero, said in a statement Thursday:

“President Trump has been brought to his knees because of the lawsuit we filed on February 26 and the ensuing public outcry. Kids should not have been separated from their parents in the first place and they still don’t belong in jail. His alleged solution to a crisis of his own making is many months too late. It is a crisis that should not have happened to begin with. He has caused irreparable damage to thousands of immigrant families.

Among those putting pressure on the Trump administration to end the family separation policy were major US airlines, American Air and United."


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...s-detention-shelters-latest-news-updates-live

I didn't expect this, the mood in the White House was enthusiastic. The pressure must have been too much, even for bigots.
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IOW, Trump folded

Again.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
At least he got over the idea of making the military work extra on Veterans Day but, is there any federal holiday (holy day?) that is a good time to make the military put on a show for The Donald instead of spending time with their families?
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In Trump's mind, they would be much happier parading for him, Dear Leader.

I feel so much safer now that Kim gave up all of his weapons, I'll turn my guns in.:lamo
 
hanger4 said:
Link the quote, thanks.
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It was part of the opening video montage on the Nicole Wallace show at 4 PM today on MSNBC.

It is in this report

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...r-stopping-separation-families-border-n885061

Trump's announcement contradict comments he made last week — he said Friday that when it came to keeping migrant families together, "you can't do it through executive order" — but follow intense and growing backlash to his administration's policy of separating children from parents who cross the U.S.-Mexico border illegally. Many Republicans have demanded an end to the policy, and bills are under consideration in Congress that would halt it.
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<alt>doxygen said:
In Trump's mind, they would be much happier parading for him, Dear Leader.

I feel so much safer now that Kim gave up all of his weapons, I'll turn my guns in.:lamo
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I too destroyed all of my nukes, and will no longer test my missiles, but plan on keeping my other guns just in case Trump changes his mind.
 
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