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Ted Cruz introducing legislation to keep migrant families together

Helix said:
i hope that Hispanic Americans are paying attention. as for Democrats in congress, i don't speak for them. i've found them to be relatively useless. let's hope that they figure out a way to become more effective, because they're basically the only way to vote against Trumpists.
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Paul Ryan is as useless as the Dems, that's why he needs to go.
 
American said:
Paul Ryan is as useless as the Dems, that's why he needs to go.
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last i heard, he is going. i dislike him because he wants to destroy Medicare. the next one probably will, too, though.
 
Helix said:
last i heard, he is going. i dislike him because he wants to destroy Medicare. the next one probably will, too, though.
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Oh FFS, no one is going to destroy Medicare. Ryan is an amnesty monkey.
 
The GOP is in a pickle, they love businesses and businesses love immigrants, businesses love them because they work cheap and hold down wages. The reality is the establishment GOP really doesn't want to address the immigration issue either.

But Trump is making them, it's become obvious that Trump's base only cares about immigration, because they mostly only care about race and racism. So Trump keeps throwing them red meat, and it's become a problem for the establishment GOP. Trump's base doesn't care about Debt and Deficit, it's worse now than ever. They don't care about foreign policy, seeing Trump kiss Lil Kim's ass and him wanting to bail out ZTE didn't even get a rise out of his base.

But immigration? That's their meat, that's the hot button, and the GOP has to play along for now, the far right Trump racists are running the GOP right now. Gonna be an interesting year for the GOP.
 
American said:
Oh FFS, no one is going to destroy Medicare. Ryan is an amnesty monkey.
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i doubt that. i'm an amnesty monkey, and i don't see him as a genuine advocate. as for Medicare, i certainly hope that the program is preserved.
 
Winston said:
No, I believe people should immigrate through proper channels. Or, keep applying for an extension for their VISA. I don't favor deportation, generally. Because the people who should be deported in my eyes, will just come back to sell their drugs. I think if you want to solve a range of problems in Central America, which has led to ancillary problems in America, you legalize drugs.

Going back to people overstaying VISAs, that's a pretty huge source of illegal immigration. But, it's not a crime. What do you suggest we do about people who let VISA's lapse, and never renew them? Are they as big of a problem as illegal crossings? Keep in mind, these could be anyone, not necessarily people of Hispanic origins.

Basically, of all the fights worth fighting I don't believe immigration makes that much rational sense, since illegal immigration is down overall. And the economic argument for more immigration is pretty strong.
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Overstaying a visa is a crime. The idea that a misdemeanor (like driving w/o a license) is, somehow, not a crime fails instantly. How can you use the term 'illegal immigration' and then assert that it is not a crime? The economic argument for not allowing anyone (everyone?) in the world that would like to leave their homeland to move into the US is also strong.
 
Helix said:
i haven't had enough time to read the bill to see if it's some sort of Trojan horse for anti-immigrant legislation, but if it just ensures that the kids won't be torn away from their parents, then i support it.
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There's so much emotionalism going on here -- and I understand that -- but, we MUST detain the asylum-seekers because fewer than 30% ever show up for their hearings, and we must not detain children. That's way too biblical.

Crossing the border illegally is a violation of our law, but why is it okay to send a mother who writes hot checks to jail without her children, yet it's not okay to send a non-citizen mother to detention without her children? I really don't get that.

Should we now take steps to keep imprisoned American mothers with their kids? The effect on the children would be devastating. Yes, children cry, they cry when they must leave their custodial mother to stay with their non-custodial father. They cry when their mother leaves them with a strange babysitter, etc., They cry.

But, children do not belong in detention centers -- just as Canada -- they detain children and the emotional impact can be devastating.
 
HowardBThiname said:
There's so much emotionalism going on here -- and I understand that -- but, we MUST detain the asylum-seekers because fewer than 30% ever show up for their hearings, and we must not detain children. That's way too biblical.

Crossing the border illegally is a violation of our law, but why is it okay to send a mother who writes hot checks to jail without her children, yet it's not okay to send a non-citizen mother to detention without her children? I really don't get that.

Should we now take steps to keep imprisoned American mothers with their kids? The effect on the children would be devastating. Yes, children cry, they cry when they must leave their custodial mother to stay with their non-custodial father. They cry when their mother leaves them with a strange babysitter, etc., They cry.

But, children do not belong in detention centers -- just as Canada -- they detain children and the emotional impact can be devastating.
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nice attempt at rationalization, but there's still no need to hold kids hostage in order to deter their parents from trying to seek work here. it's pointlessly cruel.
 
Helix said:
nice attempt at rationalization, but there's still no need to hold kids hostage in order to deter their parents from trying to seek work here. it's pointlessly cruel.
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Then, you're advocating locking up the kids, too. And that is inexcusable in my book.
 
If Ted Goes to see the Wizard maybe he can get that spine he surely needs. This coming from a person born in Canada to a child of a Castro freedom fighter. What a douche-bag
 
I think Cruz proposed legislation could solve a number of things.

It would solve the backlog of immigration hearings.

It could stop the practice of capture and release where over 80% don't even show up for their hearing.


I read that immigration hearings could be done within a 2 week period and during that time the family could stay together in a shelter but if they did not qualify for asylum would be deported. There is no good excuse for there to be a large backlog of immigration hearings. Within two weeks everything should be completed. That alone would deter people from crossing because they would no longer be released where they then disappear in a sanctuary city or hook up with others who are already here with no intention of showing up for their immigration hearing.


We also have a problem of people posing as families who are not. Another factor is all the children showing up without parents which adds to the problem of human trafficking. Loopholes have to be closed in the law that sends a message don't send your kids to the border.
 
Helix said:
not really. it isn't illegal to seek asylum at the border. they're currently blocking the proper way to do that. i'm advocating to at least let the kids stay with their families.

People fleeing persecution have the right to seek asylum | TheHill
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That's true, but the vast majority of the people who apply are not eligible, and it's creating a problem for those who really are. We've known this for a long time, and yet we don't fix the system, which is why we have so many being detained.

But really -- we can't detain the children -- it's not right. They're better off in foster care.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Overstaying a visa is a crime. The idea that a misdemeanor (like driving w/o a license) is, somehow, not a crime fails instantly. How can you use the term 'illegal immigration' and then assert that it is not a crime? The economic argument for not allowing anyone (everyone?) in the world that would like to leave their homeland to move into the US is also strong.
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IT's a civil matter, not a criminal one, from my understanding.
 
rocket88 said:
It never passed. Why? Trump's base doesn't want to fix the problem, they want to blame Democrats.
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It was just announced yesterday.
 
HowardBThiname said:
That's true, but the vast majority of the people who apply are not eligible, and it's creating a problem for those who really are. We've known this for a long time, and yet we don't fix the system, which is why we have so many being detained.

But really -- we can't detain the children -- it's not right. They're better off in foster care.
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they're better off with their own parents.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Overstaying a visa is a crime. The idea that a misdemeanor (like driving w/o a license) is, somehow, not a crime fails instantly. How can you use the term 'illegal immigration' and then assert that it is not a crime? The economic argument for not allowing anyone (everyone?) in the world that would like to leave their homeland to move into the US is also strong.
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But what misdemeanors are we willing to take children for, and for what part of the population?

Technically if you drive to the grocery store but leave your license at home that's illegal. Should we take children in that case as well?
 
veritas1 said:
If only all these politicians worked as hard for American citizens as they do for citizens of other nations.
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I'd be happy if they just just stopped working solely for the donor class.

Which is why we don't have a simple "fine and reward" program for those who hire illegals.

Y'all scapegoat the illegals instead of punishing those who hire them.

You have the whole government.

Why don't you eliminate what draws them here in the first place, huh?
 
Winston said:
IT's a civil matter, not a criminal one, from my understanding.
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None the less it is illegal and subject to fine and/or jail time just as driving without a license is. It also carries the possibility of deportation (or removal) w/o the possibility of legal re-entry which, if attempted, is then a felony.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/driving-while-revoked-suspended-or-otherwise-unli.aspx

https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimin...-8-usc-1326-reentry-after-deportation-removal
 
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