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Ted Cruz introducing legislation to keep migrant families together

There is a vetting process in place to determine if a claim is legitimate.

The problem is that process can take about two years and many don't bother to show up.

Immigration court records show that more asylum cases were denied over the previous five years than have been granted. In fiscal year 2016, 62 percent of asylum cases were denied, compared with 44.5 percent five years earlier. Among Mexicans and Central Americans, the approval rate is substantially lower.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/us/migrant-caravan-asylum.html
 
If they couldn't be bothered to go to the embassy or consulate in their own country and request asylum, then why should we be bothered to even consider their claim when they show up here. Further they went through at least one country that could have accepted their claim. I am not interested in their claims.

I get all that but the law also allows them to start the process at a legal port of entry.
 
I don't understand begrudging someone for wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

I am not begrudging them a thing. If they have a true asylum request there are embassies, and consulates to which they can go to make that request. Otherwise get in the line fill the paperwork out like all the other people who cam here legally.
 
That's a big problem as well. Maybe Cruz's plan to get more immigrant judges will help alleviate it.

I hope so, can you imagine if all court cases had to be heard within 20 days or the accused must be released? No matter what the delay period is we need facilities to hold those folks until their case is heard - catch and release is a joke and most asylum claims are denied.
 
I hope so, can you imagine if all court cases had to be heard within 20 days or the accused must be released? No matter what the delay period is we need facilities to hold those folks until their case is heard - catch and release is a joke and most asylum claims are denied.

I thought I read somewhere that only about 5-10% of claims are approved.
 
Cruz should certainly be sympathetic, as that surname doesn't sound very Native American. hopefully his bill just prevents Trump and perjury elf from splitting up families.

Well I think the democrats will refuse to support it because 1) it's Ted Cruz and 2) they really just want illegal aliens to be released and abscond because they benefit from illegal voting, and even if they don't they definitely benefit from them settling in California and Arizona and pumping up congressional and state legislative districts because they're counted equally for legislation, I mean Washington state would lose its bluest congressional district if illegal immigration was ended. So because the Cruz model is to create more detention centers and hire more asylum judges to cut down on the asylum claim timeframe and the vast majority (really all of them) do not have a valid asylum claim the vast majorty will be deported and they will simply return with children again and when the adult gets prosecuted for illegal reentry and sentenced to jail time requiring the child to be seperated the whole complaint will start all over again.

The Democrats want only to allow them to freely enter the country and settle, so if Cruz's bill eliminates seperating in any manner except by allowing them to enter and not going to get them when they don't show up for court (because they will definitely not show up for court) they will oppose it.

Because the current influx is trying to have it both ways, some are showing up at border crossings for asylum, but the majority are only claiming asylum after being detained for unlawfully crossing the border. so it's like "I'll immigrate illegally but if I get caught I'll say asylum" no, one or the other, try to cross illegally and deal with the consequences or present yourself publically to an official and try your chances there, don't use the claim to throw a wrench in the process of your removal.
 
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I thought I read somewhere that only about 5-10% of claims are approved.

It seems to vary by country of origin.

Immigration court records show that more asylum cases were denied over the previous five years than have been granted. In fiscal year 2016, 62 percent of asylum cases were denied, compared with 44.5 percent five years earlier. Among Mexicans and Central Americans, the approval rate is substantially lower.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/us/migrant-caravan-asylum.html
 
I hope so, can you imagine if all court cases had to be heard within 20 days or the accused must be released? No matter what the delay period is we need facilities to hold those folks until their case is heard - catch and release is a joke and most asylum claims are denied.

We should really just say if you attempt to cross the border illegally you've automatically forfeited any right to an asylum claim, you can only make a claim by presenting yourself either at an official port of entry, embassy, consulate, military base or docked warship and requesting it from an official of the US Government and if you do not and instead try to make it over the border you can scream asylum all you want, you're being processed for removal.
 
Looks like Ted Cruz is spooked by Beto orourke

Cruz has a 6-11 point lead in the four latest polls. 3 of them taken in May which one was the 11 point lead. Here is the latest poll:

http://endcitizensunited.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Texas-Senate-Public-Memo-061418.pdf

It puts Cruz up by six released on 14 June. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 points. So Cruz may be up by as many as 9 or only up by 3. The problem for O'Rourke is there are currently only 8% undecided. So he better hope it's only 3 points he has to make up. I doubt O'Rourke will win, but the race is competitive.
 
Well I think the democrats will refuse to support it because 1) it's Ted Cruz and 2) they really just want illegal aliens to be released and abscond because they benefit from illegal voting, and even if they don't they definitely benefit from them settling in California and Arizona and pumping up congressional and state legislative districts because they're counted equally for legislation, I mean Washington state would lose its bluest congressional district if illegal immigration was ended. So because the Cruz model is to create more detention centers and hire more asylum judges to cut down on the asylum claim timeframe and the vast majority (really all of them) do not have a valid asylum claim the vast majorty will be deported and they will simply return with children again and when the adult gets prosecuted for illegal reentry and sentenced to jail time requiring the child to be seperated the whole complaint will start all over again.

The Democrats want only to allow them to freely enter the country and settle, so if Cruz's bill eliminates seperating in any manner except by allowing them to enter and not going to get them when they don't show up for court (because they will definitely not show up for court) they will oppose it.

Because the current influx is trying to have it both ways, some are showing up at border crossings for asylum, but the majority are only claiming asylum after being detained for unlawfully crossing the border. so it's like "I'll immigrate illegally but if I get caught I'll say asylum" no, one or the other, try to cross illegally and deal with the consequences or present yourself publically to an official and try your chances there, don't use the claim to throw a wrench in the process of your removal.

i don't have a prediction what democrats will do. if his bill keeps kids from being separated from their parents without some other kind of poison pill xenophobic bull****, however, i'll support it.
 
The situation is a political gift for some republican. People are willing to spend, bipartisan support, hero. One shouldn't play any games, just get it done and enjoy re election.
 
We should really just say if you attempt to cross the border illegally you've automatically forfeited any right to an asylum claim, you can only make a claim by presenting yourself either at an official port of entry, embassy, consulate, military base or docked warship and requesting it from an official of the US Government and if you do not and instead try to make it over the border you can scream asylum all you want, you're being processed for removal.

There is a problem with the port of entry part though. People are being blocked from even getting close to one.

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/16/immigration-border-asylum-central-america/

U.S. CUSTOMS AND Border Protection agents are systematically violating U.S. and international law by blocking immigrants at international ports of entry on the southern border from entering the country so they can claim asylum. Immigration civil rights advocates have been documenting this illegal behavior since late 2016, from Texas to California. It was sporadic then, and appears to have been based at least in part on CBP’s difficulties with handling large numbers of people.
 
The situation is a political gift for some republican. People are willing to spend, bipartisan support, hero. One shouldn't play any games, just get it done and enjoy re election.

You would think that being on the side of the families would go a long way towards the independent voter for a republican candidate.
 
i don't trust him, either. wouldn't be surprised to learn that there's something in this bill that is unsupportable. i hope that it at leasts keeps kids from getting separated from their parents, though.

As I understand it, it mandates that they be kept together. NRO seems to like it.

Per the Press Release, the intent is to:


Double the number of federal immigration judges, from roughly 375 to 750.
Authorize new temporary shelters, with accommodations to keep families together.
Mandate that illegal immigrant families must be kept together, absent aggravated criminal conduct or threat of harm to the children.
Provide for expedited processing and review of asylum cases, so that—within 14 days—those who meet the legal standards will be granted asylum, and those who do not will be immediately returned to their home countries.
 
There are those who feel this is nothing more than a way to speed up deportations. However, if it keeps the families together in the mean time I'm OK with it.

There's something else though. I don't trust Cruz and I wonder if he would've introduced this legislation if he wasn't up for re-election this November.

Nobody would have proposed this if there wasn't a big stink raised by the Trump haters. It just wasn't a problem when Obama did it.
 
Trump will if does not have money for the wall he endlessly claimed would be paid for by Mexico.

Maybe. We'll see.

In any case, money for a wall would be a good thing too since it would stop people from coming in illegally and getting themselves tossed in jail.
 
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