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Majority oppose policy that causes family separation, but Republicans approve

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Majority oppose policy that causes family separation, but Republicans approve

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GOP "leadership"

6/18/18
Two-thirds (66%) of Americans disapprove of the Trump administration's practice of taking undocumented immigrant children from their families and putting them in government facilities on US borders, according to a CNN poll conducted by SSRS. Only 28% approve. But among Republicans, there is majority support for the policy that has resulted in an uptick of children being separated from their families. The separations are the end result of the administration's "zero tolerance" policy of criminally charging people who cross the border illegally. The new poll numbers follow harsh criticism that President Donald Trump and the Republican Party are receiving after implementing the new policy. The controversial policy does have support in subgroups, particularly among Republicans, 58% of whom approve of it. Outside the GOP there is much less support. Just 5% of Democrats and 27% of independents approve. Approval for the President on the issue of immigration specifically is at an all-time low in CNN polling. Only 35% approve of the way Trump is handling immigration, down from 40% in March, and 59% disapprove, up from 55%. More people disapprove of his handling of immigration (59%) than of any other issue.

It's been dead for some time now, and this episode puts the final nail in the GOP coffin of supporting "family values".

The fail-safe solution? Don't vote for any Republican candidate in 2018 and 2020.

Related: Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Blast Family Separations at Border

Republicans Were the Only Group in This Poll to Support Trump's Family Separation Policy
 
Majority oppose policy that causes family separation, but Republicans approve

DIVA0eDUwAAHrTw.jpg

GOP "leadership"



It's been dead for some time now, and this episode puts the final nail in the GOP coffin of supporting "family values".

The fail-safe solution? Don't vote for any Republican candidate in 2018 and 2020.

Related: Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Blast Family Separations at Border

Republicans Were the Only Group in This Poll to Support Trump's Family Separation Policy

Let's be honest. The Democrats do not have any solutions to solve illegal immigration.

If I had to choose between a party that separate families vs. a party that supports open borders and flooding our country with god know who, the choice is simple.

Democrats thinking they will win by catering to MS-13 and outlaws breaking the law, what a horrible and terrible strategy.
 
What is the proposed alternative? Should ICE/Border Patrol waive the requirement to enter/remain legally for any foreign nationals that have children with them?
 
Majority oppose policy that causes family separation, but Republicans approve

DIVA0eDUwAAHrTw.jpg

GOP "leadership"



It's been dead for some time now, and this episode puts the final nail in the GOP coffin of supporting "family values".

The fail-safe solution? Don't vote for any Republican candidate in 2018 and 2020.

Related: Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Blast Family Separations at Border

Republicans Were the Only Group in This Poll to Support Trump's Family Separation Policy

As I just said in another thread this policy will not stand, whether Trump understands this IDK.
 
What is the proposed alternative? Should ICE/Border Patrol waive the requirement to enter/remain legally for any foreign nationals that have children with them?

They should do exactly what the Bush and Obama Administration did and hold them in family detention centers together. There is a reason why both the Bush and Obama Administrations did not adopt the unconscionable policy of separating children from their parents.

This is not some crisis anyway. Net migration from Mexico has been been zero for years now.
 
Majority oppose policy that causes family separation, but Republicans approve

DIVA0eDUwAAHrTw.jpg

GOP "leadership"



It's been dead for some time now, and this episode puts the final nail in the GOP coffin of supporting "family values".

The fail-safe solution? Don't vote for any Republican candidate in 2018 and 2020.

Related: Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Blast Family Separations at Border

Republicans Were the Only Group in This Poll to Support Trump's Family Separation Policy

Its not going to be long before whites are in a minority in this country. If the Republican Party wants to be relevant in a future where the country is much more diverse than it is today, they have to expand their base beyond white people. These kinds of policies are ensuring that will never happen. In another decade or so, the Republicans at the national level will find themselves in the same position the Republican Party is in California today.
 
They should do exactly what the Bush and Obama Administration did and hold them in family detention centers together. There is a reason why both the Bush and Obama Administrations did not adopt the unconscionable policy of separating children from their parents.

This is not some crisis anyway. Net migration from Mexico has been been zero for years now.

Family detention centers are only for short stays. if an illegal border crosser is aprehended with his "family" (likely sex slaves unrelated that he's trafficking) and is prosecuted and processed it's very short and they go to a family detention center, however if the adult claims asylum (which is what these people have been doing) while being arrested for illegally crossing then this process takes months and children can only be held for 20 days.
 
Its not going to be long before whites are in a minority in this country. If the Republican Party wants to be relevant in a future where the country is much more diverse than it is today, they have to expand their base beyond white people. These kinds of policies are ensuring that will never happen. In another decade or so, the Republicans at the national level will find themselves in the same position the Republican Party is in California today.

I think that is why trump and Stephen miller, the aide responsible for pushing this hardline immigration crackdown policy, are after.

They are trying to fulfill the white nationalist delusion of ensuring that America is forever ruled by whites
 
They should do exactly what the Bush and Obama Administration did and hold them in family detention centers together. There is a reason why both the Bush and Obama Administrations did not adopt the unconscionable policy of separating children from their parents.

This is not some crisis anyway. Net migration from Mexico has been been zero for years now.

Bush and Obamas strategy was not working.

Again this is liberals wanting to have their cake and eat it too.

You claim illegal immigration isnt a problem. Than why are so many illegals crossing here?

Think about that.
 
They should do exactly what the Bush and Obama Administration did and hold them in family detention centers together. There is a reason why both the Bush and Obama Administrations did not adopt the unconscionable policy of separating children from their parents.

This is not some crisis anyway. Net migration from Mexico has been been zero for years now.

There has been a large increase in immigrant inflow accross the Soutwest border region lately. It will only get worse if word gets out that catch and release (the prior policy) is put back into effect.

During the month of May, CBP saw a slight 1.9 percent increase overall when compared to April, but a 160 percent increase compared to May 2017.

The number of Family Units increased by 435 percent and the number of unaccompanied children (UAC) increased by 329 percent compared to May 2017.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

WASHINGTON — The number of immigrants apprehended for crossing the border illegally increased in May despite the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy that prosecutes illegal immigrants and separates prosecuted parents from their children, according to numbers released Wednesday by the Department of Homeland Security.

U.S. Border Patrol agents arrested around 2,000 more immigrants crossing the border between official points of entry in May compared to April, up from 38,234 to about 40,400, according U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics.

Overall, including immigrants who turned themselves in at ports of entry, more than 50,000 immigrants tried to enter the U.S. by land over the U.S.-Mexico border last month — the third straight month to surpass 50,000.

Unaccompanied children crossing illegally increased from 4,302 in April to 6,405 in May, while the number of parents traveling with children decreased slightly.

A spokesperson for DHS, Tyler Q. Houlton, said the numbers show "that while the Trump administration is restoring the rule of law ... no one expects to reverse years of political action overnight or in a month. ... Smugglers, human traffickers, and nefarious actors know our loopholes well and accordingly exploit them."

The numbers suggest that Trump's tough border stance is not deterring illegal immigration, said David Leopold, former president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

Historically, immigration across the U.S. southern border increases between April and May as weather conditions improve, according to data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

Immigrants coming from Central America typically take months to reach the United States, a Department of Homeland Security official said, so immigrants who crossed the border illegally last month likely began their journeys not knowing they would be prosecuted.

Speaking to MSBNC's Hugh Hewitt on Hewitt's syndicated radio show Tuesday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said that separating children from their parents at the border was necessary to stop the flow of parents bringing their children to the United States illegally.

"What's happening is we are having more people coming bringing children with them entering between the ports of entry, between the ports of entry illegally, and they're not, you cannot give them immunity," Sessions told Hewitt when asked if it was necessary to separate parents from children when they are detained or apprehended at the border.

Leopold said the poor conditions in Central America are driving immigration in a way that Trump's policies cannot stop.

"I think it's desperation," Leopold said. "They think it's better to spend time in detention than face what they're facing in the Triangle," referring to the Northern Triangle countries of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

Mark Krikorian, executive director at the Center for Immigration Studies, which promotes lower immigration into the United States, said the policy has not been in place long enough to have an effect.

"It's like turning around an aircraft carrier. It takes a while. Changing expectations is not an easy thing to do when the prior administration followed mistaken policy for so many years," Krikorian said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...egal-immigration-border-increased-may-n880686
 
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They should do exactly what the Bush and Obama Administration did and hold them in family detention centers together. There is a reason why both the Bush and Obama Administrations did not adopt the unconscionable policy of separating children from their parents.

This is not some crisis anyway. Net migration from Mexico has been been zero for years now.

You can't be that gullible.

If the Bush and Obama administrations weren't separating children from their parents that can only mean they did one of 2 things:

1. Broke the law as it is illegal to hold a child longer than 20 days.
2. Released them

Trump is enforcing immigration laws which means prosecution of those that crossed illegally. I believe you know how long it takes our legal system to accomplish anything, and it is quite a bit longer than 20 days.
 
What is the proposed alternative?

The GOP holds two (actually all three) branches of government. Where's their leadership?

Who in hell can believe that holding kids hostage to coerce Democrats to build Trumps Wall is leadership?

If Republicans cannot govern better than this, then they need to either step down or be voted out.

Sasse: Trump should end 'wicked' family separation policy

GOP rep: We should not be using immigrant kids as deterrent policy

Majority oppose policy that causes family separation, but Republicans approve
 
The GOP holds two (actually all three) branches of government. Where's their leadership?

Who in hell can believe that holding kids hostage to coerce Democrats to build Trumps Wall is leadership?

If Republicans cannot govern better than this, then they need to either step down or be voted out.

Sasse: Trump should end 'wicked' family separation policy

GOP rep: We should not be using immigrant kids as deterrent policy

Majority oppose policy that causes family separation, but Republicans approve

Yep, we should build several federal amusement parks complete with fine dining, hotel suites and other amenities to entertain our potential uninvited foreign national guest families who may elect to cross our southern border. Once their 20-day stay (in federal DisneyWorld) is up (court mandated maximum hold time for children) then they will be released to fend for themselves and politely asked to return (in a few months) for an immigration hearing. That should keep the third world from choosing to enter the US illegally.
 
You can't be that gullible.

If the Bush and Obama administrations weren't separating children from their parents that can only mean they did one of 2 things:

1. Broke the law as it is illegal to hold a child longer than 20 days.
2. Released them

Trump is enforcing immigration laws which means prosecution of those that crossed illegally. I believe you know how long it takes our legal system to accomplish anything, and it is quite a bit longer than 20 days.

Of course it meant that they held them no more than 20 days and then released them with a court date. What you guys are not getting is that they decided that the alternative, charging everyone that crosses the border with kids criminal (it is usually a misdemeanor unless you have done it more than once), arresting the parents, and thus the kids being separated from them, was simply too cruel. That is why they did not do it. It's not because they were weak, or hated America, or whatever, it is because they have a conscience and such a policy was unconscionable to them.

Look, I am all for doing a better job of securing the border. I think we ought to do a better job of cracking down on employers that hire illegal immigrants. I also think that our immigration system should be more skills based like what is typical in other high income countries, but there is a reason why only Trump could implement such a cruel policy. I would not sleep at night knowing that I put in place a policy that separating families like this. Years ago I used to do CASA volunteer work. Sometimes you would have piece of **** parents or parents that may not be able to care for their kids and their kids would be removed from the home. However, that was an absolute late resort, and it was an absolute last resort for a good reason. It is extremely traumatic to kids to be taken from their parents. It is horrible for them.

I mean god damn. I know the president is incapable of empathy, but I would imagine most of yall are capable of it. Think about what we are doing here. Yeah, the parents are coming here illegally. They are going to do that anyway. This cruel policy is not the answer.
 
There has been a large increase in immigrant inflow accross the Soutwest border region lately. It will only get worse if word gets out that catch and release (the prior policy) is put back into effect.



https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...egal-immigration-border-increased-may-n880686

This is nothing new. We have had these surges in illegal border crossings before. We did not have to resort to this kind of cruelty when they happened.
 
Of course it meant that they held them no more than 20 days and then released them with a court date. What you guys are not getting is that they decided that the alternative, charging everyone that crosses the border with kids criminal (it is usually a misdemeanor unless you have done it more than once), arresting the parents, and thus the kids being separated from them, was simply too cruel. That is why they did not do it. It's not because they were weak, or hated America, or whatever, it is because they have a conscience and such a policy was unconscionable to them.

Look, I am all for doing a better job of securing the border. I think we ought to do a better job of cracking down on employers that hire illegal immigrants. I also think that our immigration system should be more skills based like what is typical in other high income countries, but there is a reason why only Trump could implement such a cruel policy. I would not sleep at night knowing that I put in place a policy that separating families like this. Years ago I used to do CASA volunteer work. Sometimes you would have piece of **** parents or parents that may not be able to care for their kids and their kids would be removed from the home. However, that was an absolute late resort, and it was an absolute last resort for a good reason. It is extremely traumatic to kids to be taken from their parents. It is horrible for them.

I mean god damn. I know the president is incapable of empathy, but I would imagine most of yall are capable of it. Think about what we are doing here. Yeah, the parents are coming here illegally. They are going to do that anyway. This cruel policy is not the answer.

Uhhem... its not considered cruel when its done to brown people.

Now.. white Christians seeking asylum? another story.
 
Family detention centers are only for short stays. if an illegal border crosser is aprehended with his "family" (likely sex slaves unrelated that he's trafficking) and is prosecuted and processed it's very short and they go to a family detention center, however if the adult claims asylum (which is what these people have been doing) while being arrested for illegally crossing then this process takes months and children can only be held for 20 days.

I am aware of that. See post: https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...but-republicans-approve-2.html#post1068658280
 
I think that is why trump and Stephen miller, the aide responsible for pushing this hardline immigration crackdown policy, are after.

They are trying to fulfill the white nationalist delusion of ensuring that America is forever ruled by whites

A delusion is exactly what it is though. I do not understand this tribal fear that some people have of the country getting more diverse. Who cares, you live your life just the same.
 
This is nothing new. We have had these surges in illegal border crossings before. We did not have to resort to this kind of cruelty when they happened.

Of course not - that is why we have 12 million illegal immigrants here now.
 
Majority oppose policy that causes family separation, but Republicans approve

DIVA0eDUwAAHrTw.jpg

GOP "leadership"



It's been dead for some time now, and this episode puts the final nail in the GOP coffin of supporting "family values".

The fail-safe solution? Don't vote for any Republican candidate in 2018 and 2020.

Related: Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Blast Family Separations at Border

Republicans Were the Only Group in This Poll to Support Trump's Family Separation Policy

Wow, RV is suggesting no one vote for republicans. Like this isnt the driving force behind every single OP he posts :roll:
Oh and did you say the same thing about dems when polls showed a majority opposed Obamacare for all those years? Of course you didnt. The truth is, you dont care about majority rule and you dont give a crap about these kids. You are simply using them to advance your fringe leftist agenda.
 
Let's be honest. The Democrats do not have any solutions to solve illegal immigration.

If I had to choose between a party that separate families vs. a party that supports open borders and flooding our country with god know who, the choice is simple.

Democrats thinking they will win by catering to MS-13 and outlaws breaking the law, what a horrible and terrible strategy.

Amazing how we set up a border security situation with the grave threat of MS-13 in mind, but when people come to seek asylum from being targets of MS-13 in Central America, we separate them from their kids and deport them.
 
There is no proof that most of these kids even belong to the people they are arriving with. It's even worse than we thought, kids being shipped off to be exploited by those trying to get into the country.
 
A delusion is exactly what it is though. I do not understand this tribal fear that some people have of the country getting more diverse. Who cares, you live your life just the same.

It is because some whites probably see race as the only way of establishing a hierarchy where they are some how better than people of color. If whites become a minority, their last remaining delusion of racial superiority ceases.

Some white nationalists oppose this because they are so stuck in their ways that they could never accept a possible position of being equal to a person of color, yet there are other people who encourage white nationalism not because they white nationalist themselves but they are the wealthy 1% who have a vested interest in keeping poor whites constantly in conflict with Racial minorities of a similar class, because they don’t want the working class and middle classes of all races to join forces againist the rich minority.
 
Of course not - that is why we have 12 million illegal immigrants here now.

In a country of 325 million people. The number of illegal immigrants in this country has actually slightly declined since 2009: 5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

I am just not seeing where its some big crisis considering that the number illegal immigrants here has been flat for going on a decade. Moreover, even if the numbers of illegal immigrants were still growing, cruelty on this level can't be the answer in a decent society. Taking children from their parents is a last resort in social services for a reason. It is extremely traumatic to the children. Years ago I used to do CASA work. Even taking kids from parents that were total pieces of **** was very traumatic for them. Sometimes it had to be done, but they tried everything to keep from doing it.

We have taken 2000 kids from their parents on the border in May alone. The kids are then warehoused in converted box stores with plans for tent cities.

Recently, Colleen Kraft, who heads the American Academy of Pediatrics, visited a shelter run by the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement. She reported that while there were beds, toys, crayons, a playground and diaper changes, the people working at the shelter had been instructed not to pick up or touch the children to comfort them. Imagine not being able to pick up a child who is not yet out of diapers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.52037d6b168b

That just isn't right.
 
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