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The RW Cult and Fear of Trump

Fletch said:
You arent going to get many converts so long as leftists like you are this snotty and nasty. As bad as Trump might be, you guys are worse.
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I can't wait for Trumps concession speech in 2020. Americans will be dancing in the streets.

:2dancing:
 
concernedpuma said:
Very well put. There are few, if any, liberals that can point to anything relevant the President has done wrong.
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Really? You're kidding, right?

Parts of this article need updating, but the updates aren't good, either:

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...al-security-foreign-policy-failures-year-one/
Under Trump, America has retreated from its global and moral leadership roles, alienated its democratic allies, and abandoned the bipartisan defense of liberal ideals that led to more than 70 years of security and prosperity. America is more isolated, less respected, weaker at home, and ultimately less safe under President Trump’s leadership.
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I know, you're going to assert "left" so you're not going to read it. But, you said "few liberals", and I can find many liberals pointing to a lot of relevant stuff and thus refuting your mindbogglingly clueless claim.

So, Whatever. Debating the right is pointless, their heads are in the sand.
 
Fledermaus said:
Ask President Obama.
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Neither Bush 42 (8 years) nor Obama (8 years) ever did anything regarding children on the scale of Donald Trump. And only in a few months.

They're already looking for more warehouses. Think about that. Warehousing stolen children. Thoroughly disgusting.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I can't wait for Trumps concession speech in 2020. Americans will be dancing in the streets.

:2dancing:
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You'll be waiting a long time. You guys are going to waste time on Russia and the Trump Foundation and "ripping kids from families" and other such nonsense until it's way too late. I'm hoping the Dems are well stocked with hankies for the next one.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Neither Bush 42 (8 years) nor Obama (8 years) ever did anything regarding children on the scale of Donald Trump. And only in a few months.

They're already looking for more warehouses. Think about that. Warehousing stolen children. Thoroughly disgusting.
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BS. We aren't waving them through anymore. That's the part that has you upset. We might actually enforce the law. Imagine.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Neither Bush 42 (8 years) nor Obama (8 years) ever did anything regarding children on the scale of Donald Trump. And only in a few months.

They're already looking for more warehouses. Think about that. Warehousing stolen children. Thoroughly disgusting.
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At least you now added "on the scale of" from the other times you posted on that. Shows some honesty is there.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
..."Former constitutionalists won't defend the rule of law, former foreign policy hawks won't call out moral equivalence or appeasement, former moralists won't criticize immorality."

That is the textbook definition of a constitutional crisis.
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Sad to see them cower at his feet, if they haven't found their backbone yet, they never will.

We've all seen how he's reacted to Mueller's investigation. Not wanting to help the investigation in order to reveal the truth is one thing, but actively denigrating it and our country's most trusted institutions including our free press, is another.

Imagine if the Dems don't take the House and Trump isn't impeached and servers his term. Imagine that his cultist like supporters continue to ignore our mainstream media and start believing his lies even more feverishly every year.

Now imagine he loses the 2020' election. Given how many times we've heard the catchy phrase, "witch hunt", how many times might we hear, "rigged election"?

If the Repub Party won't stand up to him now, would they then? Maybe his rabid reactionary base will get their long awaited attempt at their revolution. That would be real constitutional crisis...
 
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OscarLevant said:
Really? You're kidding, right?

Parts of this article need updating, but the updates aren't good, either:

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...al-security-foreign-policy-failures-year-one/



I know, you're going to assert "left" so you're not going to read it. But, you said "few liberals", and I can find many liberals pointing to a lot of relevant stuff and thus refuting your mindbogglingly clueless claim.

So, Whatever. Debating the right is pointless, their heads are in the sand.
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Right, every lib can point at things. I should have written Prove anything. The site you recommend is just more negative OPINION. There are worse places than in sand to have your head; for example, where libs keep theirs.
 
calamity said:
Bill Kristol nails it right here.



The first reason for alarm?



So, it's obvious. The Republicans are now in the Cult of Trump. And, those few not on board the stupid train are afraid to speak out and hold the scumbag accountable.
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It has become clear that there is a group of Americans - Trumpkins - who do not live in reality and have created for themselves a delusional fantasy existence that borders on outright mental illness.
 
MrPeanut said:
If your primary political tool is fear mongering don't be alarmed when eventually your voters look for someone "strong" to protect them. It's always been a slippery slope towards Authoritarianism.
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qft....
 
OscarLevant said:
Why?


https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/6152...e-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare
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You read this part, right? What more can we do to prevent adults acting illegally from subjecting their children to this trauma?
On May 7, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a speech that "If you're smuggling a child, then we're going to prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you, probably, as required by law. If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally. It's not our fault that somebody does that."
 
concernedpuma said:
Right, every lib can point at things. I should have written Prove anything. The site you recommend is just more negative OPINION. There are worse places than in sand to have your head; for example, where libs keep theirs.
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Accuracy is not negative. Bad news, if it's correct, is actually positive, because then it can be recognized and properly dealt with.

You didn't read the article. It reported many actual verifiable events, occurrences, as well as compelling assessments of same.

But, your technique of brushing off, without reading, a link, is noted, but not an effective rebuttal.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Neither Bush 42 (8 years) nor Obama (8 years) ever did anything regarding children on the scale of Donald Trump. And only in a few months.

They're already looking for more warehouses. Think about that. Warehousing stolen children. Thoroughly disgusting.
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Opinion noted... The pictures don't lie.
 
concernedpuma said:
You read this part, right? What more can we do to prevent adults acting illegally from subjecting their children to this trauma?
On May 7, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a speech that "If you're smuggling a child, then we're going to prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you, probably, as required by law. If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally. It's not our fault that somebody does that."
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It's a new policy, called "zero tolerance", hitherto never employed by any previous adminsitration, and a ruse to separate children from parents. It was never done before, and you guys are not fooling anyone.


When a parent is enduring months of difficult travails coming from, say, Honduras, to here, to avoid persecution in her country, she brings her child with her. her application for asylum is legal.

Treating her as a criminal and treating her that she is "smuggling a child", is not only illegal, it is reprehensible, repugnant, morally corrupt, and evil.

You guys are going to pay for this.
 
OscarLevant said:
Accuracy is not negative. Bad news, if it's correct, is actually positive, because then it can be recognized and properly dealt with.

You didn't read the article. It reported many actual verifiable events, occurrences, as well as compelling assessments of same.

But, your technique of brushing off, without reading, a link, is noted, but not an effective rebuttal.
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That's quite a crystal ball you have there, I have noted that.
I read all that was factual and I concede there were some items stated correctly. However, I didn't see any facts action that would make me disagree with the President's actions. I hoped you would understand that. I do disagree with the flavor added opinions. If I wasn't convinced of your viewpoint, it may be the ASSESMENTS that trouble me. I'm still waiting for the negative results of what he has done.
You are right accuracy is not necessarily negative. However Assessment's are more often than not driven by the leanings of the assessor, yes?
Regards,
CP
 
OscarLevant said:
It's a new policy, called "zero tolerance", hitherto never employed by any previous adminsitration, and a ruse to separate children from parents. It was never done before, and you guys are not fooling anyone.


When a parent is enduring months of difficult travails coming from, say, Honduras, to here, to avoid persecution in her country, she brings her child with her. her application for asylum is legal.

Treating her as a criminal and treating her that she is "smuggling a child", is not only illegal, it is reprehensible, repugnant, morally corrupt, and evil.

You guys are going to pay for this.
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Once again, you want to plunk heart strings. Of course it's sad. But, it is neither illegal or morally corrupt. It has to do with preserving the peace. If we pay anything, it will be because of unprotected borders.....You do know what a border is, and the purpose of it, right?
Regards,
CP
 
Captain Adverse said:
Yes, you all exemplify my point.

Any argument you cannot respond to, is whining.

Every counter-argument you cannot oppose logically, you demonstrate "Moral Panic":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

Trump is the antithesis of all you hold dear in the Progressive ideology. He does not support Identity Politics, MeToo movement, Third Wave Feminism, Globalism with it's open border immigration and economic redistribution goals, nor any of the other potpourri of "isms" your side variously argues for. "Volatility" will be perpetuated as long as he remains in office.

There is no "cult of personality." Those of us who argue for him on various issues aren't doing it because we think of him as our "fearless leader."

The fact is that we agree with some of his goals while disagreeing with, or being indifferent to, other aspects of his agenda.

However, many of us (including myself) have found that whenever we do mention opposition to those acts we do not agree with...all we get is a demand to close ranks and join the opposition completely against his entire agenda or our views remain worthless as pawns of the Great Satan currently in office.

YOUR actions have pushed us into a corner of "all or nothing" when nothing could be further from the truth.

YOUR actions in demonizing anyone who offers him any support have created this idea those of us who support any of his actions are a cult of followers, when to my eyes the true cult is the ANTI-everything group your posts represent.

Anyone else noticed that whenever one of these anti-Trump, anti-Trump supporter threads get posted, you are lucky (as in this instance with my efforts) to get ANY response from those who don't agree with you? That you end up with an echo-chamber of agreement nine times out of ten?

It's not because you have actually changed anyone's minds. It is likely because (as amply demonstrated here) those of us who might not agree with you have come to recognize that there is no point in getting involved in threads designed to troll and then attack in hopes of "shaming" by moral panic anyone who hasn't become a true believer in your side of the situation.

We still think the same way, and as a result you call US "cultists" because you know you haven't changed our minds; so the only way you can justify it without taking responsibility for your own actions...is to create another label and declare victory.

Good luck with that. Tagline time. :shrug:
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Well while your hyper partisan rant was entertaining it falls flat of the fact that I am not a "Progressive" not to mention that BS crap about "Identity Politics, MeToo movement, Third Wave Feminism, Globalism Globalism with it's open border immigration and economic redistribution goals, nor any of the other potpourri of "isms"

Ironically what you exhibited here is a "us vs them" mentality. Not to mention Trump and his followers are fully engaged in morality panic over Liberals. You would have to be just as dishonest as Trump to not see that yourself.

From my Individualists point of view when I here defensive "we" posts I see that as collective outrage and mindless group thinking. I mean come on someone accuses you to belonging to a cult so you thought hard and the best that you came up with is "so are you"?

The reality is that you belong to one echo chamber who isnt happy with another echo chamber. If you do not like anti-Trump threads you could do everyone a favor and just quit trolling them.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Well while your hyper partisan rant was entertaining it falls flat of the fact that I am not a "Progressive" not to mention that BS crap about "Identity Politics, MeToo movement, Third Wave Feminism, Globalism Globalism with it's open border immigration and economic redistribution goals, nor any of the other potpourri of "isms"

Ironically what you exhibited here is a "us vs them" mentality. Not to mention Trump and his followers are fully engaged in morality panic over Liberals. You would have to be just as dishonest as Trump to not see that yourself.

From my Individualists point of view when I here defensive "we" posts I see that as collective outrage and mindless group thinking. I mean come on someone accuses you to belonging to a cult so you thought hard and the best that you came up with is "so are you"?

The reality is that you belong to one echo chamber who isnt happy with another echo chamber. If you do not like anti-Trump threads you could do everyone a favor and just quit trolling them.
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What in the world is morality panic anyway? Do I understand you to write if more than one person agrees with a concept, it is mindless group think? Trolling - do you mean not rolling over to hyperbolic insults aimed at the President of the United States? Don't mean to offend, just askin'.

Respectfully,
CP
 
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