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Why is the left so easily capable of ignoring facts in order to push their narrative?

Supply side economics works. But that's beside the point...I will ALWAYS vote for the party which allows people to keep more of their own money.

If that’s true, I would like to see Medicare and SS taken away from all those Trump supporters. Show us how that’s done, and then we can talk.

“Stop socialized medicine and keep your hands off my Medicare!” :lamo
 
Post a link to a thread on this forum in which what you describe, actually occurs.

Since there are thousands of them and you believe they don’t exist, it’s clear you don’t want to believe they exist. My pointing them out will only elicit silly denials. What a waste of time that would be. It’s like when you meet some nut in the city who points at the skyscrapers and states, “None of those buildings have building permits!” Were you to show him one he would simply snatch it out of your hand and tear it up. “Wrong!” he would declare. “That was not a real permit,” he'd say, before waffling on about Native American rights or Gaia the primal Mother Earth goddess.
 
From the black lives matter movement to illegal immigration, there is so much proof that their narrative is false, yet, they keep pushing them, calling those who point it out "racists" bigots", "xenophobes", etc?

Agenda like Black lives mattering and immigrant lives mattering. Do you mean humanity? Being a human being who cares about his fellow man is not an agenda.
 
From the black lives matter movement to illegal immigration, there is so much proof that their narrative is false, yet, they keep pushing them, calling those who point it out "racists" bigots", "xenophobes", etc?

simply Because, dear; the right wing has nothing but fallacy.
 
It's not 20 trillion to build the great southern wall it's 25 billion.

America has a huge immigration problem. Why do some think we need those from foreign lands to lend a hand over here.
The USA become the greatest economic & military power in the world far before the globalistic 'Age of Diversity'.

'The 1965 act brought in the poorest of the poor from around the globe. Non-English-speaking peasants from wildly
backward cultures could be counted on to be dependent on government assistance for generations to come continuing
up to today' Trump is making a stand to counter this law which put America in the position to become a boarding house for 3rd worlders.

The most destructive lies ever witnessed in this country were uttered by Ted Kennedy on the Senate floor in 1965.

Ever since Ted Kennedy discovered that you could import democrat votes, the country started the long slide
down to 3rd world standards. After all, why work for your votes when you can get them by edict. Donald Trump
hits the first 6-run Homer in Baseball history by bringing this issue to the forefront.

Common sense is not hate speech, and realism is not racism.

The wall, if built, will never be built for 25 billion and the estimated maintenance costs are astronomical.

America does not have a huge immigration problem from the South, immigration, from the South, has been declining. We absolutely do need migrants to bring in our crops, cook them in restaurants, clean hotels and work construction; ask managers of any of those businesses.

"The USA become the greatest economic & military power in the world far before the globalistic 'Age of Diversity'.The USA become the greatest economic & military power in the world far before the globalistic 'Age of Diversity'.
And during that time we have had a large immigrant work force; I grew up in agriculture and know this to be true.

'The 1965 act brought in the poorest of the poor from around the globe. Non-English-speaking peasants from wildly
backward cultures could be counted on to be dependent on government assistance for generations to come continuing
up to today'


That is anywhere from grossly overstated to just plain Bull****. Trump is making a stand that plays to his xenophobic base.

The rest of your post is ultra-right wing nonsense, you really should try other news sources than Faux and Rush. Here's some immigration FACTS:

Fact: Immigrants contribute to job creation.
Fact: Undocumented immigrants are paying taxes.
Fact: Immigrants are helping to sustain the Social Security Trust Fund.
Fact: The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States has remained the same in recent years. (my note: this makes the wall unnecessary and DUMB)
Fact: DACA recipients are contributing to the economy.
Fact: Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans.

Read about it here --> https://www.unidosus.org/issues/immigration/resources/facts
 
From the black lives matter movement to illegal immigration, there is so much proof that their narrative is false, yet, they keep pushing them, calling those who point it out "racists" bigots", "xenophobes", etc?

it is all about identify politics at this point.

it doesn't matter what facts, reason, or logic is.
the only thing that matter is attempting to create a faux outrage in people

i mean the CEO of twitter for some reason had to apologize for eating a chicken sandwich. that is how bad
this identity politics nonsense has become.

people have to apologize for eating at fast food restaurants. WTH.

we are not advancing as a society we are horribly regressing.
 
Supply side economics works. But that's beside the point...I will ALWAYS vote for the party which allows people to keep more of their own money.

You asked for an example and I gave it. Tax rate cuts reduce revenue, there is no tax free lunch or a Tax Santa Clause that allows us to increase revenue by giving out tax cuts to the donor class. Congressional republicans lie to us and tell us tax cuts will increase revenue, and most of the GOP voters believe the lies. Not a single credible economist believes that fairy tale, but it drives GOP fiscal policy and has since Reagan first started selling that nonsense in the early 1980s.

And if you vote for the party that will give you candy in the form of tax cuts and tell you the candy is nutritious and good for you, that's your choice - we all love candy!, but don't pretend you give a damn about deficits, because the GOP sure as hell hasn't cared about deficits for the last several decades.
 
Supply side economics works. But that's beside the point...I will ALWAYS vote for the party which allows people to keep more of their own money.

The point is, it is Not Your Money if we have Any problems in our Republic; Congress is delegated the Power to Tax, to solve the exigencies of our Republic.

Any more problems, right wingers?

Muster the militia and grab gun lovers first; end our wars on crime, drugs, and terror!
 
There are very few things that economists are sure about. It’s a messy and complicated science. But over the last few decades, the fact that Reaganomics, or trickle down theory, or whatever else you want to call it, does not work is one of those things. You don’t have to take my word for it. Just go find any random one, liberal or conservative, and just ask them.

You might as well still think that the Earth is only 6000 years old or that climate change is just a Chinese hoax or something.

Oh wait, I am sorry....

I don't care what economists say, keeping more of my money for myself and my businesses is better for me. It's better for all. Cut spending.
 
If that’s true, I would like to see Medicare and SS taken away from all those Trump supporters. Show us how that’s done, and then we can talk.

“Stop socialized medicine and keep your hands off my Medicare!” :lamo

If SS and medicare were so awesome, they wouldn't have made them mandatory. Allow me the option of opting out, then tell me that I'm a hypocrite for wanting my money. You know who shouldn't get SS or medicare benefits? Those who never paid into them. Or does that go over your head?
 
Agenda like Black lives mattering and immigrant lives mattering. Do you mean humanity? Being a human being who cares about his fellow man is not an agenda.

I bet you support abortion at every stage though, right? Black lives matter to me...all of them...not just the ones who are dirtbags shot while committing crimes. There again, you left out the key word, "illegal"...that my friend is how lefties push an agenda.
 
The point is, it is Not Your Money if we have Any problems in our Republic; Congress is delegated the Power to Tax, to solve the exigencies of our Republic.

Any more problems, right wingers?

Muster the militia and grab gun lovers first; end our wars on crime, drugs, and terror!

What % of my earnings would you say is fair for the government to take? (Don't forget to include the fact that when the top tax rate was 90%, only about 300 people in America qualified for that rate), also, don't forget that state and city income taxes didn't exist back then. Also remember that EVERYTHING that can be taxed today is taxed. When is enough enough?
 
What % of my earnings would you say is fair for the government to take? (Don't forget to include the fact that when the top tax rate was 90%, only about 300 people in America qualified for that rate), also, don't forget that state and city income taxes didn't exist back then. Also remember that EVERYTHING that can be taxed today is taxed. When is enough enough?

It's funny that you start a thread about liberals ignoring facts, then you make up that whopper.

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Link here: https://taxfoundation.org/when-did-your-state-adopt-its-income-tax/

Bottom line is state income taxes started in the 1910s (e.g. NY in 1919, VA in 1916) and were firmly established in the states by 1940.

And I doubt if you have good data on that "only 300 people" paid at 90% either. Per Peter Schiff in the WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324705104578151601554982808

In 1958, an 81% marginal tax rate applied to incomes above $140,000, and the 91% rate kicked in at $400,000 for couples. These figures are in unadjusted 1958 dollars and correspond today to nominal income levels that are about eight times higher. That year, according to Internal Revenue Service records, about 10,000 of the nation's 45.6 million tax filers had income that was taxed at 81% or higher.

Pro tip: When calling others liars who believe in things not based in facts, best to do a simple Google search before making stupid claims contradicted by the facts.
 
It's funny that you start a thread about liberals ignoring facts, then you make up that whopper.

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Link here: https://taxfoundation.org/when-did-your-state-adopt-its-income-tax/

Bottom line is state income taxes started in the 1910s (e.g. NY in 1919, VA in 1916) and were firmly established in the states by 1940.

And I doubt if you have good data on that "only 300 people" paid at 90% either. Per Peter Schiff in the WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324705104578151601554982808



Pro tip: When calling others liars who believe in things not based in facts, best to do a simple Google search before making stupid claims contradicted by the facts.

Just look at how low the tax rates were. SS started with 1% tax over $3000 income. Hell, the lefties and their stooges said back then, what a great deal!
 
Are you okay with that? Okay with the police "jumping the gun" when it comes to dealing with black suspects? Because not all black suspects have committed crimes but it seems some are victims of police brutality.

True, but that has what to do with my point? Police aren't causing blacks to be disproportionately involved in crime.
 
Since there are thousands of them and you believe they don’t exist, it’s clear you don’t want to believe they exist. My pointing them out will only elicit silly denials. What a waste of time that would be. It’s like when you meet some nut in the city who points at the skyscrapers and states, “None of those buildings have building permits!” Were you to show him one he would simply snatch it out of your hand and tear it up. “Wrong!” he would declare. “That was not a real permit,” he'd say, before waffling on about Native American rights or Gaia the primal Mother Earth goddess.

Ok, you cannot or you refuse to post any example of reasonable debate by any poster of self professed center right or more extreme right political orientation. I requested that you back up your claim
that such posters debate in a civil manner. I pointed out that after four pages of this thread, the author of the thread OP was the only extreme right oriented poster to support a post with a link, to a
right wing extremist web article, authored by a right wing extremist.

Now this thread is seven pages long, and no poster of right wing persuasion has seen fit to post a supporting link other than the one I described.

Reasonable readers expect to read posts supported by links to reasonable sources. Right wing posters of this forum predictably demonstrate an inability to support
their posts by including linked citations to reasonable sources. Instead, they have walled themselves off in an alternative reality of their own self validating absurdity.

You describe an atmosphere of civil debate by right of center to more extreme right posters where little or none actually exists.
 
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I bet you support abortion at every stage though, right? Black lives matter to me...all of them...not just the ones who are dirtbags shot while committing crimes. There again, you left out the key word, "illegal"...that my friend is how lefties push an agenda.

1. Amadou Diallo was an African immigrant who was gunned down by police who mistook him for a suspect and who filled him with bullets as he was trying to show his wallet.
2. Tamir Rice was a 12-year-old boy playing with a BB gun in the park

They weren't dirtbags.

Also, I'm sorry to shock you but not all liberals are pro-abortion. I personally don't believe in abortion. I certainly think it should be illegal after the early months. But I also believe in changing people's minds instead of using government laws to force people. When that happens rich people just send their kids to other countries to have abortions and poor people perform their own backroom abortions. Using big government is not the solution.

Finally, conservatives want to force people to have these children but they don't want to pay for the welfare of these children. Once they have the children they complain that these parents shouldn't have had the children. Most of these poor minorities are often religious and don't believe in abortions which is why they have all these children. You would be surprised how many Black and Hispanic women don't believe in abortion. If you cared about "all lives" you would have no problem helping these women support their children instead of forcing them into an economic position where they have to have abortions.
 
1. Amadou Diallo was an African immigrant who was gunned down by police who mistook him for a suspect and who filled him with bullets as he was trying to show his wallet.
2. Tamir Rice was a 12-year-old boy playing with a BB gun in the park

They weren't dirtbags.

Also, I'm sorry to shock you but not all liberals are pro-abortion. I personally don't believe in abortion. I certainly think it should be illegal after the early months. But I also believe in changing people's minds instead of using government laws to force people. When that happens rich people just send their kids to other countries to have abortions and poor people perform their own backroom abortions. Using big government is not the solution.

Finally, conservatives want to force people to have these children but they don't want to pay for the welfare of these children. Once they have the children they complain that these parents shouldn't have had the children. Most of these poor minorities are often religious and don't believe in abortions which is why they have all these children. You would be surprised how many Black and Hispanic women don't believe in abortion. If you cared about "all lives" you would have no problem helping these women support their children instead of forcing them into an economic position where they have to have abortions.

You were lured into the right wing extremist, pro abortion accusation smear. A reasonable response to such an attack is to ask the extremist to produce an actual example of pro abortion advocacy.
Supporting the 44 year old SCOTUS ruling that the state has no constitutional basis to interfere in the doctor female patient relationship is simply supporting settled case law, that a woman has a right to choose,
at least until such time as right of inheritance, standing to enter into contracts, and standing in the courts is granted to the unborn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_v._Bolton#Opinion_of_the_Court
…..[h=2]Opinion of the Court[edit][/h]
The same 7-2 majority that struck down a Texas abortion law in Roe v. Wade, invalidated most of the remaining restrictions of the Georgia abortion law, including the medical approval and residency requirements. The Court reiterated the protected "right to privacy," which applied to matters involving marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing, and education.[SUP][1][/SUP]

These dishonest bastards attempt to twist advocacy of the right of a woman to choose whether or not to continue a pregnancy as a decision they somehow have a right to interfere and intercede in, and at the
very least, to judge and condemn. They paint those who disagree with them as pro abortion, and unfortunately, you took the bait and felt a need to justify yourself. Do not ratify extremists employing extremist language as manipulation.
 
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Those are simply disingenuous examples on your part.

What has to conscious effort to conflate and thus muddy issues. The specifics such as with the Michael Brown case, the hands up dont shoot false meme has been established forensically then decided in court of law to be false. This versus your, for example, "Trump hasn't done anything wrong and should be immune from any and all prosecution!".

What you are attemping is what a lot of the " " fact checkers" " often do. First, yours has two elements instead of the one, both of which have to be right to get a passing score. If only one is right, even 100% right, you get a failing grade of 50%. Subtle, clever, or rather cunning perhaps, tactic.

The Michael Brown one, already proven beyond shadow of doubt, against the two that have not been even properly investigated much less adjudicated one way or the other.

And if the first in your example were to ever be found true the second would be false in the overwhelming majority of cases. I know for myself, have said it plenty, to you even, specifically, that if Trump were ever credibly found to be traitorious that he need get the proper consequences.

Problem is, after 2 years of illegal and legal shennigans there is not a single item in evidence with which to prove that. So, WE argue, on this side, the both which go together with the current set of provable facts.

Not the same, NOT at all the same.

Disingenuously so not the same.

That's how he rolls.
 
1. Amadou Diallo was an African immigrant who was gunned down by police who mistook him for a suspect and who filled him with bullets as he was trying to show his wallet.
2. Tamir Rice was a 12-year-old boy playing with a BB gun in the park

They weren't dirtbags.

Also, I'm sorry to shock you but not all liberals are pro-abortion. I personally don't believe in abortion. I certainly think it should be illegal after the early months. But I also believe in changing people's minds instead of using government laws to force people. When that happens rich people just send their kids to other countries to have abortions and poor people perform their own backroom abortions. Using big government is not the solution.

Finally, conservatives want to force people to have these children but they don't want to pay for the welfare of these children. Once they have the children they complain that these parents shouldn't have had the children. Most of these poor minorities are often religious and don't believe in abortions which is why they have all these children. You would be surprised how many Black and Hispanic women don't believe in abortion. If you cared about "all lives" you would have no problem helping these women support their children instead of forcing them into an economic position where they have to have abortions.

I would never vote for anyone who would threaten to ban abortion. I just get disgusted by the lefts ability to celebrate it. It's too tough of a choice for some women to joke about. With that said, stop acting as though there are only 2 choices...killing the baby or forcing the taxpayer to raise it. How about taking responsibility for yourself, acting like an adult and taking care of your child.
Weird how the left fully ignore the millions of women suffering through life after abortion.
 
Just look at how low the tax rates were. SS started with 1% tax over $3000 income. Hell, the lefties and their stooges said back then, what a great deal!

Yes, you were wrong, twice, in one post, in a thread you started about liberals disregarding facts. I'd be apologetic too if it was me. :roll:
 
From the black lives matter movement to illegal immigration, there is so much proof that their narrative is false, yet, they keep pushing them, calling those who point it out "racists" bigots", "xenophobes", etc?

Why does someone with the username "itsforthekids" support the Trump/Sessions order to kidnap migrant kids?
 
I would never vote for anyone who would threaten to ban abortion. I just get disgusted by the lefts ability to celebrate it.

I'm on the left and I don't think I've ever seen anyone 'celebrate' abortion, so if you're EVER "disgusted" by liberals supposedly celebrating it, you're trying very hard to find examples about which to get disgusted because they're rare.

It's a tough choice, and liberals simply believe women have the right to make it.

It's too tough of a choice for some women to joke about. With that said, stop acting as though there are only 2 choices...killing the baby or forcing the taxpayer to raise it. How about taking responsibility for yourself, acting like an adult and taking care of your child.
Weird how the left fully ignore the millions of women suffering through life after abortion.

You trying to set a record for straw men in a single post? If so that's a good effort! Congrats!
 
I'm on the left and I don't think I've ever seen anyone 'celebrate' abortion, so if you're EVER "disgusted" by liberals supposedly celebrating it, you're trying very hard to find examples about which to get disgusted because they're rare.

It's a tough choice, and liberals simply believe women have the right to make it.



You trying to set a record for straw men in a single post? If so that's a good effort! Congrats!

The news that you listen to and watch doesn't show it.
 
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