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Tucker: Prosecutors are Sweating Manafort to turn on Trump

haymarket said:
I am sure in your own mind, you believe you have stumbled onto some sort of point , more or less. For the life of me however, it is not clear what exactly that is.

The Manafort crimes are one thing. The investigation into the Russian interference does not have to be the same thing. They can overlap in places and be different in other places.

Can your mind absorb that sort of subtlety?
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Well that’s not surprising. Even though I used small words.

Except that all of the alt-left have pointed at the Manafort indictment as some sort of proof of Russian collusion.

I can absorb subtlety. It’s vapid stupidity I struggle with.
 
Helix said:
I'm sure that you wish that this is true. You might want to brace yourself for reality when the report is released, though.
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If Giuseppe's Pizza ever becomes a real pizza shop let me know. In the meantime I'll avoid the dump; there's way too many hoodlums.
 
Aberration said:
Well that’s not surprising. Even though I used small words.

Except that all of the alt-left have pointed at the Manafort indictment as some sort of proof of Russian collusion.

I can absorb subtlety. It’s vapid stupidity I struggle with.
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The Manafort indictment speaks for itself. The man has been up to his neck in criminality for a long time now and justice will be served.

Attacking people and insulting as the left does not change that.
 
Helix said:
Mueller's report should reveal a lot, but i tend to doubt that you're going to like what it reveals.
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Right now, all that is being revealed is bias and corruption within the FBI.

We are living through the the police state's outright unmasked support of one political party over the other.

What we are seeing violates every right and responsibility we all assumed were sacrosanct to our country and law enforcement.

This entire witch hunt, the destruction of lives, the jailing of private citizens and all the rest seems to have very likely been based on lies from the politically motivated, biased stooges of the Democrat Party.

Democrats in the Jim Crow South applauded the departure from Justice to maintain their power. Seems old habits die hard.
 
code1211 said:
Right now, all that is being revealed is bias and corruption within the FBI.
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that's a great fairy tale.

code1211 said:
We are living through the the police state's outright unmasked support of one political party over the other.
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Republicans run this alleged "police state." Mueller is also a Republican, so spare me the bias horse****.

code1211 said:
What we are seeing violates every right and responsibility we all assumed were sacrosanct to our country and law enforcement.
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as i always enjoy reminding Trumpists, saying something out loud does not make it true.

code1211 said:
This entire witch hunt, the destruction of lives, the jailing of private citizens and all the rest seems to have very likely been based on lies from the politically motivated, biased stooges of the Democrat Party.
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here are the results so far :

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

code1211 said:
Democrats in the Jim Crow South applauded the departure from Justice to maintain their power. Seems old habits die hard.
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i don't know what this part does other than to make you feel like you mic dropped or something. you didn't.
 
lurchadams said:
Neither you nor I have any way of knowing that for sure. Due to all the lying about meeting with Russians by the Trump crime family, I'd gamble that there was some serious colluding going on. If not, why lie about the meetings?



Your conclusion is nothing but a right-wing paranoid fantasy. The report concluded that Comey acted improperly. By the way, what has Comey been charged with?



Good, good. Get it all out, dude. You'll feel better.



1. "Legislated law" is redundant. It's either "legislation" or "the law".
2. You're lying. There is no law that children are to be separated from their parents. This policy was mandated by the Trump administration. But you know that, now - Trump just caved today and repealed the policy via EO.



I think your hatred of Democrats is truly adorable :) Your ignorance of actual events, however is quite disturbing :(
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Legislated Law are those laws that have actually been, you know, legislated. Make believe law, like most of the immigration mess, is pretty much just made up crap.

In listening to this whole confused mess, it seems apparent that there are policies being enacted and abandoned to account for laws that are confusing and contradictory.

In the meantime, the Congress sits on its collective hands while still pointing fingers at each other and blaming "them". Astonishing flexibility shown in this.

I don't hate Democrats because they are Democrats. I just hate their incessant and outrageous overstatement and hyperbole for effect.

Regarding your first statement, you seem to be endorsing a legal standard that any Republican is guilty until proven innocent. Care to re-state that in a less biased fashion?

Comey is not actually charged with anything yet. So far, all we know with certainty is that he is professionally insubordinate and exceeded his authority for politically motivated reasons.

We also know that he was either unaware of or complicit in the illegal and legally subversive actions of his direct report, Andy McCabe. In this, he's either an incompetent boob or he's a criminal co-conspirator or both. Whatever, his firing was more than justified.

Anything that followed his firing and was caused by his firing is fruit from the poisoned tree.
 
Helix said:
that's a great fairy tale.



Republicans run this alleged "police state." Mueller is also a Republican, so spare me the bias horse****.



as i always enjoy reminding Trumpists, saying something out loud does not make it true.



here are the results so far :

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury



i don't know what this part does other than to make you feel like you mic dropped or something. you didn't.
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The VOX link only reveals the outcomes of the outlandish and certainly detestable tactics of the Mueller team of goons.

Hillary's cabal were given immunity while her FBI supporters blew her kisses.

Trump's gang are being legally crucified while the Hillary's FBI supporters kick down their doors, intimidate their friends and extort plea deals by threatening their family's freedom.

This is completely unequal application of the law based on nothing beyond party affiliation.

 
code1211 said:
The VOX link only reveals the outcomes of the outlandish and certainly detestable tactics of the Mueller team of goons.

Hillary's cabal were given immunity while her FBI supporters blew her kisses.

Trump's gang are being legally crucified while the Hillary's FBI supporters kick down their doors, intimidate their friends and extort plea deals by threatening their family's freedom.

This is completely unequal application of the law based on nothing beyond party affiliation.

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you should definitely practice your deflections.
 
Manafort got $3.5 million to keep him quiet when he was "fired", from a Russian donor who helped him reshape the GoP policy on lifting sanctions on Rusia...
 
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Helix said:
you should definitely practice your deflections.
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Saying indicted or pleas is a little disingenuous when we know that the mueller Gestapo tactics include overcharging to gain a reduced charge plea deal and also threatening to attack Flynn's son to get a plea deal, we see that the goon has few or no facts to work with.

This is not deflection. This is only stating the obvious.
 
code1211 said:
Saying indicted or pleas is a little disingenuous when we know that the mueller Gestapo tactics include overcharging to gain a reduced charge plea deal and also threatening to attack Flynn's son to get a plea deal, we see that the goon has few or no facts to work with.

This is not deflection. This is only stating the obvious.
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just indictments and guilty pleas. generally happens when one is innocent, no?
 
haymarket said:
And still no explanation of what CONSTITUTIONAL SUPREMACY has to do with the pardon power and its corrupt use.

I keep forgetting that when I get in these exchanges with you that you are a famous LAST WORDER. You will go on for days and days repeating the same nonsense over and over and over and over again just so you can pretend that you won when you get in the last word. You don't stop until you get it.

So here you go - yet again just like before - I am going to allow you the last word. I grant you the last word. I give you the last word.

Take it. Enjoy it. Do your little self congratulatory victory dance. Raise your colors and put your picture on your dashboard and salute yourself.

You earned it.
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A reply by you that is as stupid as it is wrong, as usual.

You have no valid argument, you never had. That is why you continue to deflect. All because you can not refute.

And it is funny that you stopped replying in the other thread you spammed your bs from after I posted the Supreme Court decision. :lamo
 
Helix said:
that's a great fairy tale.



Republicans run this alleged "police state." Mueller is also a Republican, so spare me the bias horse****.



as i always enjoy reminding Trumpists, saying something out loud does not make it true.



here are the results so far :

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury



i don't know what this part does other than to make you feel like you mic dropped or something. you didn't.
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Certain people simply cannot be reached with reason and a rational analysis of currently available data and facts is dangerous to them as it would deviate from the fantasy narrative that MUST be maintain, at all costs, in order to avoid engaging in painful confrontation of the shape our country is in just now.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Certain people simply cannot be reached with reason and a rational analysis of currently available data and facts is dangerous to them as it would deviate from the fantasy narrative that MUST be maintain, at all costs, in order to avoid engaging in painful confrontation of the shape our country is in just now.
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they probably suspect that he's guilty of criminal activity and that more is going to come out, so all that's left is to dismiss the investigation outright.
 
Helix said:
they probably suspect that he's guilty of criminal activity and that more is going to come out, so all that's left is to dismiss the investigation outright.
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Yup. There are likely decades of washing hot money for the Russian Mob, amongst other things, that are going to come out and his entire house of cards empire is at risk. That being the case, they cannot risk contemplating that as an eventuality, and having what they thought he was and would bring them fall apart, so they relentlessly try and smear the investigation.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/thesmearcampaign/

This is all about defending having made the choice to vote for him in the first place, for whatever reason, and the colossally bad move that turned out to be. Facing that has GOT to be painful.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yup. There are likely decades of washing hot money for the Russian Mob, amongst other things, that are going to come out and his entire house of cards empire is at risk. That being the case, they cannot risk contemplating that as an eventuality, and having what they thought he was and would bring them fall apart, so they relentlessly try and smear the investigation.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/thesmearcampaign/

This is all about defending having made the choice to vote for him in the first place, for whatever reason, and the colossally bad move that turned out to be. Facing that has GOT to be painful.
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it's possible. i suppose that we'll find out at some point. as for why they voted for him, i partially get that. i wasn't at all happy with the only choice available to vote against him, but i did it. however, watching them ride him all the way down like Major Kong is a bit confusing, and not nearly as entertaining.
 
code1211 said:
Legislated Law are those laws that have actually been, you know, legislated. Make believe law, like most of the immigration mess, is pretty much just made up crap.
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Yes, made up crap. Like pretty much everything that comes out of the mouths of Trump's crime family. Still, "legislated law" is not a thing, but nice try!

code1211 said:
In listening to this whole confused mess, it seems apparent that there are policies being enacted and abandoned to account for laws that are confusing and contradictory.
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So you're trying to rationalize the Trump administration screw-ups. Again, nice try.

code1211 said:
In the meantime, the Congress sits on its collective hands while still pointing fingers at each other and blaming "them". Astonishing flexibility shown in this.

I don't hate Democrats because they are Democrats. I just hate their incessant and outrageous overstatement and hyperbole for effect.
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Mmm hmmm... like when the Democrats say things like, "Mexicans are doing nothing but taking our money and laughing at us". Or, "I saw thousands of Muslims celebrating the fall of the twin towers". Wait! That's not Democrats that say insane things like that, it's you and your fellow Trump worshippers.

code1211 said:
Regarding your first statement, you seem to be endorsing a legal standard that any Republican is guilty until proven innocent. Care to re-state that in a less biased fashion?
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There is no way in the world any rational person would interpret that as what I said. But anywho - why don't you explain all the lying coming from Trump and his fellow clown-car passengers regarding meetings with Russians. Explain how two high-ranking Trump officials were found to be on the Russian payroll. I'll wait!

code1211 said:
Comey is not actually charged with anything yet. So far, all we know with certainty is that he is professionally insubordinate and exceeded his authority for politically motivated reasons.

We also know that he was either unaware of or complicit in the illegal and legally subversive actions of his direct report, Andy McCabe. In this, he's either an incompetent boob or he's a criminal co-conspirator or both. Whatever, his firing was more than justified.
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Well, we'll see what happens when Comey is charged with something. You should know that you're wishing it won't make it happen.
 
Helix said:
just indictments and guilty pleas. generally happens when one is innocent, no?
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No.

In Flynn's case in particular, the interviewers said that they did not feel that Flynn was lying. This was never relayed to Flynn.

Instead the legal attacks continued which depleted the entire life savings of Flynn and culminated with the threat from Mueller that if Flynn did not cop to lying to the FBI, then Mueller would also ruin Flynn's son as he had just ruined Flynn.

My main problem with this Witch Hunt is that there is no crime to kick off the proceeding and any crime discovered is not related to the stated purpose of the investigation.

Witch Hunt. They are trying to unseat a president. That is the real reason for this charade and for the attacks by Mueller and his goons.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search...pGeq-JbzHXx0C5y6XeRcQvfinEXooK-YoSJXBcESiKw,,
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Two FBI agents went to the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 to interview Flynn, who at the time was Trump's national security adviser.

He opted to speak with them without a lawyer.

The agents' takeaway from the questioning was that Flynn was telling the truth and that it was unlikely he would be charged with a crime.
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Now that Mueller has shown us what he is and what he's doing, speaking to the goons without a lawyer is not going to be common practice.
 
lurchadams said:
Yes, made up crap. Like pretty much everything that comes out of the mouths of Trump's crime family. Still, "legislated law" is not a thing, but nice try!



So you're trying to rationalize the Trump administration screw-ups. Again, nice try.



Mmm hmmm... like when the Democrats say things like, "Mexicans are doing nothing but taking our money and laughing at us". Or, "I saw thousands of Muslims celebrating the fall of the twin towers". Wait! That's not Democrats that say insane things like that, it's you and your fellow Trump worshippers.



There is no way in the world any rational person would interpret that as what I said. But anywho - why don't you explain all the lying coming from Trump and his fellow clown-car passengers regarding meetings with Russians. Explain how two high-ranking Trump officials were found to be on the Russian payroll. I'll wait!



Well, we'll see what happens when Comey is charged with something. You should know that you're wishing it won't make it happen.
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Do you seriously not understand the difference between an Executive Order and a Law?

Do a little research and try again.
 
code1211 said:
No.

In Flynn's case in particular, the interviewers said that they did not feel that Flynn was lying. This was never relayed to Flynn.
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odd that he plead guilty to lying to the FBI, in that case. maybe you should send this groundbreaking information to his attorneys.

code1211 said:
Instead the legal attacks continued which depleted the entire life savings of Flynn and culminated with the threat from Mueller that if Flynn did not cop to lying to the FBI, then Mueller would also ruin Flynn's son as he had just ruined Flynn.
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bad idea to lie to the FBI when they already know the answers to the questions that they are asking you.

code1211 said:
My main problem with this Witch Hunt is that there is no crime to kick off the proceeding and any crime discovered is not related to the stated purpose of the investigation.

Witch Hunt. They are trying to unseat a president. That is the real reason for this charade and for the attacks by Mueller and his goons.
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spare me the Trumpist talking points. are you cool with the bribes, too?

code1211 said:
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search...pGeq-JbzHXx0C5y6XeRcQvfinEXooK-YoSJXBcESiKw,,
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Two FBI agents went to the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 to interview Flynn, who at the time was Trump's national security adviser.

He opted to speak with them without a lawyer.

The agents' takeaway from the questioning was that Flynn was telling the truth and that it was unlikely he would be charged with a crime.
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didn't turn out that way.

code1211 said:
Now that Mueller has shown us what he is and what he's doing, speaking to the goons without a lawyer is not going to be common practice.
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keep flailing. see you when his report is released.
 
code1211 said:
Do you seriously not understand the difference between an Executive Order and a Law?

Do a little research and try again.
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No I understand the difference between those things but that wasn't what we were discussing. Looks like in a desperate attempt to make me look inferior you've changed the subject.

Not surprisingly, your attempt has failed, once again.
 
haymarket said:
The Manafort indictment speaks for itself. The man has been up to his neck in criminality for a long time now and justice will be served.

Attacking people and insulting as the left does not change that.
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Indeed it does speak for itself. It clearly demonstrates it has nothing to with any Russian whatever.

You attacking people and insulting as the left does not change that.
 
Aberration said:
Indeed it does speak for itself. It clearly demonstrates it has nothing to with any Russian whatever.

You attacking people and insulting as the left does not change that.
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It is crime that came from the investigation in the Russian interference in our election and is thus perfectly within the scope of Mueller.
 
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