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Obama and the Democrats forced Trump to separate families

Bucky said:
Incorrect. Very incorrect. The criminals, those that are rapists and killers are not coming to the United States to find jobs unless you qualify a drug dealer as a job.
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Bull. If there were no jobs available, the river of illegal immigration would be a brook. Don't be so quick to be taken in by the conman in chief.
 
Bucky said:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/thank-obama-for-trumps-child-detentions-immigrant-advocates-say

First off all, liberals and alt-left radicals blaming Trump for this problem is just silly. Obama, instead of enforcing the law, expanded these horrible detention centers. What Obama should have been doing is prosecuting parents, which may have caused families to split but better in the long run. Although this is hardly ideal, stuffing them in these hell camps is worse. At least by prosecuting criminals and following the law, you remove them from this country.

Obama with his mickey mouse policies and cupcake attitude caused this problem to fester and get worse; and oh yes it is a problem. Liberals are playing both sides claiming illegal immigrants crossing the border isn't a serious problem yet saying Trump is being inhumane by separating families.... If it wasn't a problem than Trump wouldn't be needing to separate families!!!

Obama' tenure was 8 years of failed policies in regards to stopping illegal immigration and Trump once again has to clean his mess. Although separating families is tough, it is necessary. All Obama did by expanding these camps is mask the problem. Now the camps are all overcrowded and we don't have enough places to put them and Trump has to take drastic steps to solve the problem.

If you want to say Trump's stance on illegal immigration is wrong, okay.... But can you really say Obama's record on this was a success?
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No, they didn't. What a stupid assertion.

This stems from a specific policy shift by Twump mack in March of this year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/politics/family-separation-trump.html
 
Dittohead not! said:
Bull. If there were no jobs available, the river of illegal immigration would be a brook. Don't be so quick to be taken in by the conman in chief.
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What kind of jobs are you referring to? I know my neighbor hires some people to cut his lawn and do his landscaping and charges $10 an hour. I believe he is paying illegals.
 
Bucky said:
Incorrect. Very incorrect. The criminals, those that are rapists and killers are not coming to the United States to find jobs unless you qualify a drug dealer as a job.
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LOL! He's not talking about them. He's talking about the illegals who come here for work. And most drug dealers aren't illegals.

You're not fooling anyone but yourself.
 
Bucky said:
Obama had a chance to fix illegal immigration and the Democrat-controlled Congress did nothing.
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Which is utterly irreleevant to the fact that this is happening specifically and solely because of Twump's policy change. Full stop.

Please post something relevant.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! He's not talking about them. He's talking about the illegals who come here for work. And most drug dealers aren't illegals.

You're not fooling anyone but yourself.
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What exactly are you talking about? Every illegal coming here is looking for a job. They don't have much. How many illegals coming here have a 401k plan or an emergency saving? zero.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Which is utterly irreleevant to the fact that this is happening specifically and solely because of Twump's policy change. Full stop.

Please post something relevant.
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The detention centers are too full and we no longer have the capacity to store these illegal immigrants unless we privatize them more and more.

Separating them is our only viable option.
 
Bucky said:
What exactly are you talking about? Every illegal coming here is looking for a job. They don't have much. How many illegals coming here have a 401k plan or an emergency saving? zero.
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Incorrect. Very incorrect. The criminals, those that are rapists and killers are not coming to the United States to find jobs unless you qualify a drug dealer as a job.
 
Bucky said:
The detention centers are too full and we no longer have the capacity to store these illegal immigrants unless we privatize them more and more.

Separating them is our only viable option.
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Please post somethiing relevant.

Try really, really, really hard.
 
Bucky said:
What kind of jobs are you referring to? I know my neighbor hires some people to cut his lawn and do his landscaping and charges $10 an hour. I believe he is paying illegals.
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This is just one example:

Estimates of the number of farmworkers employed in the United States vary. According to Robert Guenther, senior vice president for public policy for the United Fresh Produce Association, a produce industry trade group, it’s about 1.5 million to 2 million.


Of those, a large portion is illegal. Again, estimates vary, but Guenther puts it at 50 to 70 percent, a wide range. The Department of Labor, in its National Agricultural Workers Survey , puts it at 46 percent.
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There are many others, of course, many in the restaurant and hotel business. I'd be willing to bet that some of the Trump hotels hire illegals.

Did you think families were bringing small children to the USA to deal drugs and rape our women?
 
Dittohead not! said:
This is just one example:



There are many others, of course, many in the restaurant and hotel business. I'd be willing to bet that some of the Trump hotels hire illegals.

Did you think families were bringing small children to the USA to deal drugs and rape our women?
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Those illegal can come here the right and legal way and wait their turn. If Mexico is that bad of a place to live, then the global community can send aid to that country.
 
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Bucky said:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/thank-obama-for-trumps-child-detentions-immigrant-advocates-say

First off all, liberals and alt-left radicals blaming Trump for this problem is just silly. Obama, instead of enforcing the law, expanded these horrible detention centers. What Obama should have been doing is prosecuting parents, which may have caused families to split but better in the long run. Although this is hardly ideal, stuffing them in these hell camps is worse. At least by prosecuting criminals and following the law, you remove them from this country.

Obama with his mickey mouse policies and cupcake attitude caused this problem to fester and get worse; and oh yes it is a problem. Liberals are playing both sides claiming illegal immigrants crossing the border isn't a serious problem yet saying Trump is being inhumane by separating families.... If it wasn't a problem than Trump wouldn't be needing to separate families!!!

Obama' tenure was 8 years of failed policies in regards to stopping illegal immigration and Trump once again has to clean his mess. Although separating families is tough, it is necessary. All Obama did by expanding these camps is mask the problem. Now the camps are all overcrowded and we don't have enough places to put them and Trump has to take drastic steps to solve the problem.

If you want to say Trump's stance on illegal immigration is wrong, okay.... But can you really say Obama's record on this was a success?
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So wait. Obama did it so it's bad, but Trump is continuing this Obama policy?
 
Bucky said:
Those illegal can come here the right and legal way and wait their turn. If Mexico is that bad of a place to live, then the global community can send aid to that country.
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They come here because they are wanted here. They should be able to come here legally. In fact, if I had my way, we'd announce a strict enforcement of the laws against hiring illegals to take place in one year. In the meantime, anyone who could go back to their country, show that they had been working in the US, and pass a background check would be given a green card and a path to citizenship. That would be the humane way to solve a problem that has been festering in the USA for over six decades. Taking children away from parents to discourage them from coming is barbaric, cruel, and un American.

But, to answer your question, immigrating to the USA is very difficult, particularly for the poor and uneducated.
 
Dittohead not! said:
They come here because they are wanted here. They should be able to come here legally. In fact, if I had my way, we'd announce a strict enforcement of the laws against hiring illegals to take place in one year. In the meantime, anyone who could go back to their country, show that they had been working in the US, and pass a background check would be given a green card and a path to citizenship. That would be the humane way to solve a problem that has been festering in the USA for over six decades. Taking children away from parents to discourage them from coming is barbaric, cruel, and un American.

But, to answer your question, immigrating to the USA is very difficult, particularly for the poor and uneducated.
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A few issues:

People that come here are not coming here solely for the right of asylum. When someone comes here illegally, they bring their brothers, sisters, aunts, cousins, etc. This is called "chain migration."

The President of the United States represents that rights and interests for the citizens of the United States, not illegal immigrants. It is tought my friend. I am a Christian. I have compassion but I have to pick the security and rights of US citzens over that of illegal immigrants.
 
OscarLevant said:
There is no law that mandates children be separated from parents at the border.
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Ah, but there is a law that excludes them from illegally entering the country, one Obama half-***** enforced when he felt like it.
 
Mycroft said:
The Congressional Democrats would rather use this issue as a weapon against Trump than to do their job and change the law...THEIR law...and help these people. This is the same tactic they are callously using with the Dreamer issue.

Trump is ASKING Congress to change the law. Congress refuses. So Trump is left with two choices:

1. Follow the law.

2. Not follow the law.

Whichever choice he makes...the Democrats hit him with it.
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Remind us again, Who controls Congress and has for years, .....This is going to ensure more Republicans will be looking for a new job after November.
 
Bucky said:
A few issues:

People that come here are not coming here solely for the right of asylum. When someone comes here illegally, they bring their brothers, sisters, aunts, cousins, etc. This is called "chain migration."

The President of the United States represents that rights and interests for the citizens of the United States, not illegal immigrants. It is tought my friend. I am a Christian. I have compassion but I have to pick the security and rights of US citzens over that of illegal immigrants.
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Please explain how taking their children increases our security. You might ask yourself what would Jesus do, me thinks you know the answer, to argue in support of this policy would be disagreeing with Him.
 
Casper said:
Please explain how taking their children increases our security. You might ask yourself what would Jesus do, me thinks you know the answer, to argue in support of this policy would be disagreeing with Him.
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Where are these kids being educated? I put the priority of u.s citizens and their education over illegal immigrants. Schools are already overcrowed. Hospitals are overcrowded.
 
Bucky said:
Where are these kids being educated? I put the priority of u.s citizens and their education over illegal immigrants. Schools are already overcrowed. Hospitals are overcrowded.
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Nice avoidance, but you know this policy is morally wrong.
 
Bucky said:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/thank-obama-for-trumps-child-detentions-immigrant-advocates-say

First off all, liberals and alt-left radicals blaming Trump for this problem is just silly. Obama, instead of enforcing the law, expanded these horrible detention centers. What Obama should have been doing is prosecuting parents, which may have caused families to split but better in the long run. Although this is hardly ideal, stuffing them in these hell camps is worse. At least by prosecuting criminals and following the law, you remove them from this country.

Obama with his mickey mouse policies and cupcake attitude caused this problem to fester and get worse; and oh yes it is a problem. Liberals are playing both sides claiming illegal immigrants crossing the border isn't a serious problem yet saying Trump is being inhumane by separating families.... If it wasn't a problem than Trump wouldn't be needing to separate families!!!

Obama' tenure was 8 years of failed policies in regards to stopping illegal immigration and Trump once again has to clean his mess. Although separating families is tough, it is necessary. All Obama did by expanding these camps is mask the problem. Now the camps are all overcrowded and we don't have enough places to put them and Trump has to take drastic steps to solve the problem.

If you want to say Trump's stance on illegal immigration is wrong, okay.... But can you really say Obama's record on this was a success?
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Not true, as your own link explains. Families were detained under Obama’s immigration policy, but children were not forcibly separated from their parents. This is strictly a Trump policy, and he lies about it every day.
 
Bucky said:
A few issues:

People that come here are not coming here solely for the right of asylum. When someone comes here illegally, they bring their brothers, sisters, aunts, cousins, etc. This is called "chain migration."

The President of the United States represents that rights and interests for the citizens of the United States, not illegal immigrants. It is tought my friend. I am a Christian. I have compassion but I have to pick the security and rights of US citzens over that of illegal immigrants.
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The families being ripped apart ARE claiming asylum in the proper way, only to be treated despicably on Trump's orders. It seems Trump is infallible, can pardon himself, start nuclear wars, or create World Peace, but Obama makes him separate crying babies from their parents.
 
JANFU said:
What law is Trump enforcing that mandates separation of children from parents?
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He is enforcing immigration, the issue is that courts have said that after 20 days you are unable to detain a child. So if you intend on prosecuting someone illegally crossing the border than it is inevitable that you will be separating families should they cross together.

The entire blame Obama and Democrats line is rather silly, but Trump is actually following the law.
 
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