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    Re: If You're White then You're a White Supremacist

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Fine. Post a link to the article or specific issue of the journal.


    Dude, the article wasn't published in the British Journal of Medical Psychology. It was published in The Journal of Critical Psychology, Counselling and Psychotherapy.

    Furthermore, the article is an editorial, not a report of the results of a research study.

    Author's summary:
    Through the lens of an experiential seminar, this article considers the role unconscious white supremacy plays within counselling and psychotherapy. Offering a plea for counselling organisations to consider whiteness studies as an integral aspect of their trainings, this article sees decolonization as a route towards this, and towards a greater engagement with the other both as trainees and as potential clients.
    I didn't claim it was a research report. I said it was a review.

    As for the journal, it clearly is the British Journal of Medical Psychology, as per this link to the article: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...decolonisation

    ...although I'm not sure what difference that makes.

    But if you look at the diagram provided you'll find that failing to challenge a racist joke, being against illegal immigration, expecting fair treatment as a person, thinking that progress has been made on race, wanting to learn about Western Civilization or promoting Western Civ. in the curriculum, and believing in personal reliance and self sufficiency all make one a white supremacist if one is white.

    So this is racism, straight up.

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    Re: If You're White then You're a White Supremacist

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Holy ****, you are actually triggered by my microgression of asking for a link to support your claim?

    The article is just that, an article. Some guy who appears to be a PhD student wrote an article. Do you get so terribly triggered by every article you disagree with?
    I think it's useful to know how SJWs think. To wit: A white person is expected to submit to an unbelievable level of self abnegation.

    It's pretty evil when you think about it.

    Everything that is ever published anywhere is just someone's report or opinion. If it's a student all the worse since he obviously has to get his professors' approval.

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    Re: If You're White then You're a White Supremacist

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I think it's useful to know how SJWs think. To wit: A white person is expected to submit to an unbelievable level of self abnegation.

    It's pretty evil when you think about it.

    Everything that is ever published anywhere is just someone's report or opinion. If it's a student all the worse since he obviously has to get his professors' approval.
    Are you always victimized by some article in another country that maybe a coup0le hundred people tops read?
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    Re: If You're White then You're a White Supremacist

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    But if you look at the diagram provided you'll find that failing to challenge a racist joke, being against illegal immigration, expecting fair treatment as a person, thinking that progress has been made on race, wanting to learn about Western Civilization or promoting Western Civ. in the curriculum, and believing in personal reliance and self sufficiency all make one a white supremacist if one is white.

    So this is racism, straight up.
    By dint of Turner's citing "Building a Multi-Ethnic, Inclusive & Antiracist Organization," one may infer that he applies the "white supremacy" definition found therein -- "A system of exploitation to maintain wealth, power and white privilege" -- however, Turner refrains from declaring the universality or absoluteness of white supremacy's concomitance with one's being white. Turner uses the graphic to summarize culturally endogenous qualities of white supremacy, it stands to reason they may inure to white and non-white individuals within cultures having foundationally inculcated white supremacist cultural paradigms.

    With that, let's look at the items you cited from Turner's graphic:
    • Failing to challenge a racist joke --> Approbation by acquiescence.
    • Inaccurate depictions you made of what the graphic identifies as symptoms/indicators of white supremacy:
      • Being against illegal immigration
      • Expecting fair treatment as a person
      • Thinking that progress has been made on race
      • Wanting to learn about Western Civilization or promoting Western Civ. in the curriculum
      • believing in personal reliance and self sufficiency

    This mindset isn't even among the items on the graphic. Your asserting that it is is a pure fabrication on your part, or it reflects a lack of your paying attention to detail, or it reflects your capacity to inferentially convolute quixotically what is presented in black and white before you. Cervantes would be proud.




    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I didn't claim it was a research report. I said it was a review.

    As for the journal, it clearly is the British Journal of Medical Psychology [BJMP], as per this link to the article: You_Shall_Not_Replace_Us'_White_supremacy_psychoth erapy_and_decolonisation

    ...although I'm not sure what difference that makes.

    But if you look at the diagram provided you'll find that failing to challenge a racist joke, being against illegal immigration, expecting fair treatment as a person, thinking that progress has been made on race, wanting to learn about Western Civilization or promoting Western Civ. in the curriculum, and believing in personal reliance and self sufficiency all make one a white supremacist if one is white.

    So this is racism, straight up.
    Green text:
    No, it isn't. The mention of the BJMP on the first page is errant. How does one come to know that? By noting:


    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Here’s the reference; a bona fide psychology journal.
    You Shall Not Replace Us!’ White supremacy, psychotherapy and decolonisation

    Article (PDF Available)  in British Journal of Medical Psychology 18(1) · March 2018

    Did any of you actually doubt that this is the way SJWs think?

    Red text:
    The difference it makes is that your initial citation (quoted below) provides most of the relevant content one would use to find the article -- a publication, a publication date, volume and issue identifiers, and a title, but no author -- and it's inaccurate.
    Insofar as...

    • you don't understand the importance of providing an accurate citation (in instances where you chose to do that rather than provide a hyperlink) and the role accurate citations play in establishing one's discursive integrity, and
    • you don't exhibit the cursory degree of attention to detail it takes to notice the name of a publication printed at the top of the page containing the specific graphic found in an essay you purport to have read, and
    • from your above described misrepresentation, contextually inapt framing, of what Turner claimed...

    ...I have decided that, after completing this post, I must terminate my participation in conversation with you.
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    Re: If You're White then You're a White Supremacist

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    If you are white and

    1) You believe in a color blind society then you're a white supremacist.

    2) You point out racial difference then you're a white supremacist.

    According to a review published by psychologists in the UK.

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    In short, white People ****ed the world up. But I don’t care. I have a house and a car and a retirement, that I would never have had in 18th century Europe. And I live in the USA who avoided bring carved up into French, Spanish, Russian, and English colonies, all at the expense of Stone Age tribes.

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    Re: If You're White then You're a White Supremacist

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you always victimized by some article in another country that maybe a coup0le hundred people tops read?
    I'm pretty sure the key trigger is a lack of understanding, not the location or size of the audience.

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    Re: If You're White then You're a White Supremacist

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    Your link is just about some Twitter post but I think what you're talking about is cognitive bias. We all have racial prejudices because of the culture we live in.

    We’re All a Bit Racist

    But this study says that it's not just Whites who have racial biases gainst Blacks, but Blacks themselves. It's just a consequence of the fact that Blacks are on average poorer and there is a lot of cultural baggage.

    I would push it farther and say that we're all vulnerable to racial bias. So instead of denying it we should try a be and do better.
    When blacks have so-called racial bias against blacks, rest assured, most of it based on experience and common sense. When they tell me not to go to a certain neighborhood because the blacks (in that area) are violent and untrustworthy I believe em… (and they don't go there either). When black police stop more black cars than white, its because they rely on experience - they don't have to fear being called a racist.

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    Re: If You're White then You're a White Supremacist

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    By dint of Turner's citing "Building a Multi-Ethnic, Inclusive & Antiracist Organization," one may infer that he applies the "white supremacy" definition found therein -- "A system of exploitation to maintain wealth, power and white privilege" -- however, Turner refrains from declaring the universality or absoluteness of white supremacy's concomitance with one's being white. Turner uses the graphic to summarize culturally endogenous qualities of white supremacy, it stands to reason they may inure to white and non-white individuals within cultures having foundationally inculcated white supremacist cultural paradigms.
    You parrot that post modernist claptrap pretty well.

    With that, let's look at the items you cited from Turner's graphic:
    • Failing to challenge a racist joke --> Approbation by acquiescence.
    • Inaccurate depictions you made of what the graphic identifies as symptoms/indicators of white supremacy:
    This mindset isn't even among the items on the graphic. Your asserting that it is is a pure fabrication on your part, or it reflects a lack of your paying attention to detail, or it reflects your capacity to inferentially convolute quixotically what is presented in black and white before you. Cervantes would be proud.
    No. I simply interpreted it a bit:
    • Anti-immigration polices, practices = Being against illegal immigration
    • "But what about me?" = Expecting fair treatment as a person
    • Believing we are "post racial" = Thinking that progress has been made on race
    • Euro-centric curriculum = Wanting to learn about Western Civilization or promoting Western Civ. in the curriculum
    • boot strap theory = believing in personal reliance and self sufficiency


    Your keep trying to imply that I'm being dishonest, and you keep failing. Pretty dishonest on your part, really.

    The rest of your points are immaterial. Save it for your peer review.
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    Re: If You're White then You're a White Supremacist

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you always victimized by some article in another country that maybe a coup0le hundred people tops read?
    The nature of a political movement is described incident by incident.

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