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Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/proposal-split-california-states-makes-november-ballot/story?id=55855441

California residents will get a chance to vote on a measure to divide the Golden State into three separate states, election officials said Tuesday.

Proponents of the CAL 3 initiative submitted more than 402,468 valid signatures as of Tuesday, making it eligible for the Nov. 6 general election ballot, according to the California Secretary of State’s office.

The office did not say exactly how many total signatures were submitted, but backers said the petition drew more than 600,000 from residents across the state’s 58 counties, dwarfing the 365,000 signatures required to qualify for the ballot.

Adding the initiative to the ballot would be the first step in a long process that would ultimately require approval from Congress.
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I give this a less than zero chance to pass.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Especially since these boundaries produce three liberal states, why would a Republican congress pass the tripling of dem senators?
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Well, it'd probably be the addition of solid two Democratic senators and two maybe Republican senators.
I think based on past election results, this "Southern California" would have a chance to produce Republicans.

However it'd also change the Presidential electoral math too. The EC awards each state 2 delegates for their two senators. That's why the Republican West/South have such sway. They are low population states, but with each state automatically getting 2 delegates for the sole reason of being a state ... it tips the Presidential math into their favor.

So, Democrats would certainly get a solid two more EC votes, and it would also push some Presidential selecting power back to the coasts instead of with the Republican flyover country.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Especially since these boundaries produce three liberal states, why would a Republican congress pass the tripling of dem senators?
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I would support a two state division west to east. It could work if the entire west coast was split off at the crest of the west side hills that separate the central valley.

Giving the entire Central/Sacramento valley and the territory to the east borders would give the Repubs all the representiation they would need to back the proposal. That's why...
 
I would really have to study what and where state boundaries would be and a whole host of other issues to offer even the beginning of an educated opinion on this one.

I would say this much:
1) Any effort to develop one or two more states out of Cali that is really gerrymandering on a grand scale would not interest me in the least
2) Anything that silo's us up even more than we are now is a horrible idea. So if that is the intention (and I am fully convinced that there are those that would want to silo up more even given the obvious detriment to the country as a whole) then that would not interest me either. Country is going bat**** crazy.
 
North and South Carolina are likely to be opposed.


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azgreg said:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/proposal-split-california-states-makes-november-ballot/story?id=55855441



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I give this a less than zero chance to pass.
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Even if it passes (which it won't) that's just the beginning of the process. It wouldn't get through Congress. Any Congress. Too tough to know how things would shake out. A North-South two-state split would solidly favor democrats (two new senators in Congress and +2 in the electoral college). An East-West split would favor the GOP (at least one senator, competitive for all votes in the EC).

This three state deal is harder to read. Too much risk.
 
azgreg said:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/proposal-split-california-states-makes-november-ballot/story?id=55855441



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I give this a less than zero chance to pass.
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Here is the fun fact...the people who are funding this and has been after this have very strong ties to Russian Oligarchs and thier hands deep into Putin cookie Jar..One is Louis Marinelli and the other Marcus Evans.

Both are registered Republicans...and I think one has a radio talk show, but their connection to Putin is undeniable.

Now ask yourself...Who would benefit from breaking the 5th largest economy in the world into pieces and create a rift among the citizens of most populated states in the union. The second question why these two they both run unders the Republican Flag!!!

Liberals are often called communist socialist...but currently most avid russians supporters are Actually Republicans or at least pretend to be Republicans! I wonder why???


Food for thought!

Diving Mullah
 
I wonder if flag manufacturers are secretly funding this movement.

;)
 
brothern said:
Well, it'd probably be the addition of solid two Democratic senators and two maybe Republican senators.
I think based on past election results, this "Southern California" would have a chance to produce Republicans.

However it'd also change the Presidential electoral math too. The EC awards each state 2 delegates for their two senators. That's why the Republican West/South have such sway. They are low population states, but with each state automatically getting 2 delegates for the sole reason of being a state ... it tips the Presidential math into their favor.

So, Democrats would certainly get a solid two more EC votes, and it would also push some Presidential selecting power back to the coasts instead of with the Republican flyover country.
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I think there’s plenty of electoral power on the coasts as it is, 55 is a lot of EC votes.

I mean the SoCal portion might elect Republican senators since I now see it excludes LA county, but the coastal California and a NorCal including the bay would never go for it, and thus congress wouldn’t. I will say that splitting the rural North off to make a solid Republican State would be a better idea as a bargain to bring Puerto Rico in as a state
 
Hmm maybe you all should focus on who would control the state government, who would control congressional districts... and if the choose to give EC votes based on congressional districts then suddenly it becomes interesting. The GOP has tried the whole EC based on districts before...

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I don't get what would be in it for anyone in CA. Whats the point exactly ? What will change? Will my taxes go down and services up? If not, don't bother me.
 
TobyOne said:
I don't get what would be in it for anyone in CA. Whats the point exactly ? What will change? Will my taxes go down and services up? If not, don't bother me.
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Republicans would most likely benefit politically and the red areas would become Kansas 2.0.

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Not if you're a republican in California or Nor Cal. And it won't benefit them nationally since there will probably 4 democratic senators and 2 republican senators. I can see why the proposed southern california state would benefit - they can escape from backward liberal california politics but I don't see what would be in it for the other 2. There would need to be some convincing.


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Republicans would most likely benefit politically and the red areas would become Kansas 2.0.

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I disagree with this idea.

Leave California in 1 piece and let it fall apart on it's own. When it does, we can rebuild on top of the rubble.
 
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