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Trump to meet Kim Jong Un in Singapore 9 p.m. Monday ET

Rob Larrikin said:
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Prepare for the Left to keep this as quiet as possible, or to spin it so that it looks like Trump has done everything wrong. To see what actually happens, watch Fox coverage.
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FreeWits said:
If you watched any Left-leaning media at all then you'd know they've already been talking about the Singapore Summit and even had a countdown for it. But as you have previously admitted, you live in an echo chamber where you don't watch/read any Left-leaning media at all.
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So you admit left-leaning media exists?
 
MovingPictures said:
You cons keep repeating how "historic!" the meeting is
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Us cons? Heh heh. The Left call it historic too. Here’s just the New York Times entries on this.


and how "No president has done this before! View attachment 67234138 ",
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Not quite – Presidents Carter and Clinton did it, but not while in office.

without understanding that there's a very good reason for that.
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Uh huh.

The North Koreans are mass human rights abusers that routinely lie.
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North Korean leaders are, but not all North Koreans. Calling mass murderers, torturers, kidnappers, rapists, extortionists, psychopaths and pedophiles ‘human rights abusers’ is watering it down though. North Korea is a giant prison and its starving population are tortured for committing the crime of being alive. It’s a communist state after all.

For decades the North have made statements offering denuclearization (among other things), but no president was stupid enough to actually believe them ... until this one.
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He doesn’t believe them either, which is why he will first warn them and then punish them if they break the agreement. The difference is that Carter, Clinton and Obama did nothing much. Trump will do plenty.

Of course, it figures that an abusive POS that can't go two minutes without lying would be the one to find common ground with them.
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The Left’s broken record is that if Trump achieves something with NK, it will be because he’s a piece of **** like them, and if he fails, it will be because he’s a piece of ****. To sum up the Left’s message, “We hate Trump and will never admit he did anything good, no matter what.”

Boring.
 
While it is possible the summit could result in a pledge from the North that they intend to denuclearize at some point, don't expect it to happen anytime soon.

The North will never accept a situation where they are unarmed and at the mercy of the goodwill of the US government.

The only situation the North can accept is one where the US is deterred by threat of military force, nothing else. That means they will want to keep enough of their own WMD's to act as a deterrent to US aggression, or form an alliance with another nuclear superpower that will provide them a nuclear umbrella.

The only people that can offer the North such a thing are China, not Trump, which means they will have to come to the table and assure Kim they have his back.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You're blaming Obama but you don't know that the first nuclear test by NK was in 2006. Bush Jr was president at that time. Just months after Obama took office they conducted another test.

Before that Clinton negotiated a deal with NK but it broke down under Bush.

Trump hasn't don anything yet. Even if he gets a deal it will be years before we know that NK has kept their side of the bargain.

Just stop celebrating before you reach the end zone. If Trump makes it to the end of his term then we can evaluate his performance and compare him to Obama.
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Actually, Jimmy Carter negotiated the deal while Bill Clinton was President. Then, the deal broke down under Bill Clinton when Republicans took over both chambers of Congress. Republicans feared that North Korea would not hold up their end of the deal on the nuclear freeze, and so they refused to fund the non-nuclear energy plants that the USA was supposed to fund. As it turned out, the Republicans were right to be skeptical, because while North Korea did freeze their nuclear reactor, they started enriching uranium underground. North Korea then did test the nuke under Bush, and by the time Bush could respond it was too late. Obama then continued a policy of basically non-intervention. I think Clinton, Bush, and Obama are all to blame, because all of them refused to do what needed to be done to solve the problem, but Clinton certainly deserves the most blame, and I'd put Obama second on the list. Bush was incompetent in many ways, but I would have to put him third on the list of blame. Trump, so far, has done the most good with North Korea, but if this summit doesn't work out, he needs to be prepared to go to war and strike hard and fast. Sanctions can help, but I just don't think those alone are going to break North Korea.
 
Bucky said:
Was it a major accomplishment when Obama visited Cuba?
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No, it wasn't. To be consistent you must think it was, right?

Rob Larrikin said:
No U.S. President in office ever met a North Korean leader, and no Republican former-President has either. No President or former President has met with the current North Korean Leader. So yes, it is amazing, considering the fiery state their relationship was in only a short time ago. Lefties won't admit that in a million years, since nothing Trump can do could possibly be good in Trump Derangement Syndrome Land.
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Then you must think it was a HUGE accomplishment for Obama to visit Cuba. You really praised him just as hard back then didn't you?
 
Rob Larrikin said:
I used to watch CNN and occasionally see it in passing, but you get very tired of watching propaganda in place of actual news. Don't get me wrong, if I'm watching Tucker and he starts going on about guns or about church, I'll fast forward through it, but generally the content is both accurate and interesting. There a few Lefties on Fox who annoy me, and I avoid them naturally since they just repeat all the myths one sees on CNN, but Murdoch insists on cluttering up Fox with them. You certainly won't find any conservatives cluttering up CNN however. :D
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Actually, Conservatives are on CNN pretty regularly. They love guys like Jeff Flake, and Lindsey Graham is on CNN from time-to-time. CNN will talk to White House members as well. I'm not sure how you think you are qualified to talk about who is and isn't on CNN when you really don't pay attention to it.
 
MovingPictures said:
While it is possible the summit could result in a pledge from the North that they intend to denuclearize at some point, don't expect it to happen anytime soon.

The North will never accept a situation where they are unarmed and at the mercy of the goodwill of the US government.

The only situation the North can accept is one where the US is deterred by threat of military force, nothing else. That means they will want to keep enough of their own WMD's to act as a deterrent to US aggression, or form an alliance with another nuclear superpower that will provide them a nuclear umbrella.

The only people that can offer the North such a thing are China, not Trump, which means they will have to come to the table and assure Kim they have his back.
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Even if North Korea denuclearizes, they will still have their artillery with chemical and probably biological weapons. They have a drone army of chemical weapons, not to mention a huge conventional army. North Korea would still have the ability to deter war with conventional, chemical, and biological weapons.
 
Utility Man said:
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This is wrong.

A week before Election Day 2008, Hannity gave 10 reasons not to vote for Obama. No. 2 on his list concerned talking to unfriendly regimes.

"One of the most disturbing displays of Obama's lack of foreign policy expertise came during last year's YouTube debate," Hannity said Oct. 26, 2008. "The junior senator from Illinois gave what many called a naive answer for a question from the audience about whether he would meet with the leaders of Syria, Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea without preconditions."​

In Trump's case he is the POTUS, and he does have preconditions.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
This is wrong.

A week before Election Day 2008, Hannity gave 10 reasons not to vote for Obama. No. 2 on his list concerned talking to unfriendly regimes.

"One of the most disturbing displays of Obama's lack of foreign policy expertise came during last year's YouTube debate," Hannity said Oct. 26, 2008. "The junior senator from Illinois gave what many called a naive answer for a question from the audience about whether he would meet with the leaders of Syria, Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea without preconditions."​

In Trump's case he is the POTUS, and he does have preconditions.
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Trump does not have preconditions. Do you regard Russia as unfriendly?
 
MovingPictures said:
The North will never accept a situation where they are unarmed
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Trump would never ask them to be unarmed. They can arm up all they like, but not with Nukes, biological WMD and possibly not Chemical WMD.

The only situation the North can accept is one where the US is deterred by threat of military force, nothing else.
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Nope. You sound like you’re working for them. North Korea has behaved in a totally irresponsible manner and cannot be trusted with Nukes. They must do away with nukes and the industry behind making them.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Then you must think it was a HUGE accomplishment for Obama to visit Cuba. You really praised him just as hard back then didn't you?
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Obama wanted to see his hero Fidel Castro but the old bastard wrote and told Obama that Cuba didn't need "the Empire's" help for anything. Cuba is a flea on the back of a dead cat. It is irrelevant.
 
FreeWits said:
Actually, Conservatives are on CNN pretty regularly. They love guys like Jeff Flake, and Lindsey Graham is on CNN from time-to-time. CNN will talk to White House members as well.
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They won't have the best and the sharpest on CNN usually, as it is easier that way, and the best Democrats are way too scared to go onto Fox.

I'm not sure how you think you are qualified to talk about who is and isn't on CNN when you really don't pay attention to it.
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The many hundreds of hours I put up with their Fake News qualifies me.
 
So I am sitting here and what is on my mind the most is wondering how much if at all Trump picked Jimmy Carters brain on dealing with the North Koreans.

Google has been no help.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
They won't have the best and the sharpest on CNN usually, as it is easier that way, and the best Democrats are way too scared to go onto Fox.



The many hundreds of hours I put up with their Fake News qualifies me.
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You go from saying you don't watch Left-leaning media to saying you are qualified to comment based on the hundreds of hours you put up with them. You've lost all credibility now, you liar.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So I am sitting here and what is on my mind the most is wondering how much if at all Trump picked Jimmy Carters brain on dealing with the North Koreans.

Google has been no help.
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None at all, hopefully.
 
FreeWits said:
You go from saying you don't watch Left-leaning media to saying you are qualified to comment based on the hundreds of hours you put up with them. You've lost all credibility now, you liar.
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I guess you'd slap me if you had a glove.

Rob Larrikin said:
I used to watch CNN and occasionally see it in passing, but you get very tired of watching propaganda in place of actual news.
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Rob Larrikin said:
He had preconditions - one was that there was to be no nuclear or missile testing, and that was already achieved.
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N.Korea's nuclear test site had already been damaged beyond repair. They can't do testing even if they wanted to.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
Obama wanted to see his hero Fidel Castro but the old bastard wrote and told Obama that Cuba didn't need "the Empire's" help for anything. Cuba is a flea on the back of a dead cat. It is irrelevant.
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So you don't like Obama and that's why it's different. Look, I get you Trump supporters are so starved for a win you have to make up things, but most Americans only care about the bottom line and what it means for them.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I predict Trump will do a deal that's worse than the Iran deal but Trump fans will celebrate it anyway and make all kinds of excuses for why there are no anytime anywhere inspections.

It won't surprise me if Trump agrees to remove all U.S. troops from the peninsula in exchange for promises.
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What a negative Nancy.

Opening lines of communication is a big step, and while I'm not counting on Kim to capitulate on a dime, this meeting will give him something he (and his family) have always craved -- a semblance of acceptance in the world theater.

Will it work? Who knows for sure, but Kim appears to be thinking about it.

An old saying is apropos here -- maybe he's just blowing smoke, but he's blowing it in our direction.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So I am sitting here and what is on my mind the most is wondering how much if at all Trump picked Jimmy Carters brain on dealing with the North Koreans.

Google has been no help.
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Perhaps, Carter has always been big on reaching some sort of arrangement with NK, although his ideas in the 90s backfired on us.
 
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