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Veterans Sustain Two Serious Defeats From Trump And The House To VA Health Care

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Veterans Sustain Two Serious Defeats From Trump And The House To VA Health Care

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6/8/18

Veterans face two separate challenges to the VA that have come to a boil this week – one from Trump, one from the Republican House. One concerns Trump and the makeup of a commission focused on closing VA facilities. The other concerns transferring funding of veterans’ healthcare from VA facilities to private entities. On Wednesday, Trump signed a law with a provision to establish a commission charged with conducting a nationwide “asset review” of VA infrastructure. If the commission is stacked with advocates of dismantling the VA and privatizing most care, the results could be disastrous. Congress remembers the great power of the base-closing commissions in shutting down military facilities, but at least they were able to vote the recommendations up or down. Not so with this commission; it will be empowered to make final decisions. There are likely to be regional winners and losers, and some decisions may be made to accommodate real estate developers, not veterans. The make-up of the commission had been a sticking point with veterans groups and lawmakers concerned about the facilities-closing review. The second challenge came in a House appropriation bill. The House voted on Thursday to approve the rule for floor debate of an appropriation (the Military Construction – VA bill) to be adopted Friday.

That rule for the debate dealt with the problem that Veterans Choice Program, to the vehicle for privatizing veterans health care, continues to burn through billions of dollars. It dealt with the problem by tossing in an extra $1.1 billion. The money going into privatized care is not free. Quite clearly, the conservative forces in Congress want to switch priority for veterans’ care funding from VA facilities to private facilities. When more is lavished on private care, less is available for maintaining the quality of VA facilities. It facilitates a vicious circle of under-funding VA and using the resulting problems and shortfalls as a rationale for privatization. A third development warrants noting. This week, administration official circulated a memo to Hill staffers opposing a Senate plan which would raise non-defense spending caps in coming years to cover the cost of new VA activity. The White House argues, instead, that money should come from cuts elsewhere in the federal bureaucracy, and the caps should stay in place. But, this is part of the same agenda. Important and valuable government programs, like the VA, would be cut, so that the money can be diverted to private health care institutions. For people concerned about maintaining viable public veterans’ health care, it has been a disheartening week.

Disheartening indeed. Everything privatized becomes more expensive. But shifting VA care to private entities is an easy way for Trump/GOP to repay wealthy healthcare donor companies.
 
Does this allow veterans to receive their treatment at places other than the VA if they chose to? I pay from my own treatment specifically because I hate the treatment I receive at the VA. Would this mean I no longer have to pay?
 
Does this allow veterans to receive their treatment at places other than the VA if they chose to? I pay from my own treatment specifically because I hate the treatment I receive at the VA. Would this mean I no longer have to pay?

I don't believe anything is settled yet Bob, but it seems an unknown number of VA facilities will certainly be closed.

I find it hard to believe current GOP Congressional fiscal watchdogs will accept higher VA expenses (privatization) without concomitant VA budget cuts.
 
Gotta love how Trump demands funneling more money into a defense program which is already bigger than that of the next 7 countries combined ... but veterans programs are supposed to tighten their belts and are admonished to find ways to be more efficient with less money.

Republican hypocrisy toward veterans was one of the main reasons this Bush/McCain/Romney voter started distancing herself from the party.
 
Trump Signs $55 Billion Bill to Replace VA Choice Program

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/06/trump-signs-55-billion-bill-replace-va-choice-program.html

President Donald Trump signed a landmark bill Wednesday to replace the troubled Veterans Choice Program and expand private health care options amid a fight between the White House and Congress over how to pay for it.

The bill, the VA Mission Act, would also expand caregivers assistance to the families of disabled veterans and order an inventory of the Department of Veterans Affairs' more than 1,100 facilities with a long-term view to trimming excess.

"This is a very big day," said Trump, who made veterans care one of the signature issues of his run for the White House. "All during the campaign, I'd say, 'Why can't they just go out and see a doctor instead of standing on line?'

"This is truly a historic moment, a historic time for our country," he continued, before signing the bill at a White House Rose Garden ceremony. "We're allowing our veterans to get access to the best medical care available, whether it's at the VA or at a private provider."
 
Does this allow veterans to receive their treatment at places other than the VA if they chose to? I pay from my own treatment specifically because I hate the treatment I receive at the VA. Would this mean I no longer have to pay?

I'm thinking so. (If I remember right)

You can use private like the VA.
 
Does this allow veterans to receive their treatment at places other than the VA if they chose to? I pay from my own treatment specifically because I hate the treatment I receive at the VA. Would this mean I no longer have to pay?

It's bad because, "Truuuuuuuuump!!"
 
Veterans Sustain Two Serious Defeats From Trump And The House To VA Health Care

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Disheartening indeed. Everything privatized becomes more expensive. But shifting VA care to private entities is an easy way for Trump/GOP to repay wealthy healthcare donor companies.


Trump and the GOP want to privatize just about everything. With what little VA outsourcing to private facilities has been done, it hasn't met Trump's "10 day waiting maximum" (30 days at best) nor is it less expensive (it's more) nor is the care as good (veterans tend to have different needs for which most private hospitals do not have the facilities, equipment or expertise). If this privatizing were to go through to completion, which it won't, it would take 10 years just to convert administration, mostly for centralizing computerized patient records. Trump will still come out and say he's really turned things around like no other president has done and everything going great because of what Trump (3rd person) did.
 
Does this allow veterans to receive their treatment at places other than the VA if they chose to? I pay from my own treatment specifically because I hate the treatment I receive at the VA. Would this mean I no longer have to pay?

Same here. My insurance is much better and so is my doctor.
 
Does this allow veterans to receive their treatment at places other than the VA if they chose to? I pay from my own treatment specifically because I hate the treatment I receive at the VA. Would this mean I no longer have to pay?

What VA Group are you in if I may ask.
Sounds like you're in Group IV or Group V.
 
What VA Group are you in if I may ask.
Sounds like you're in Group IV or Group V.

Do you mean the VA priority group? I haven’t messed with it for a couple years. I retired from the Army with 20 years and a pension. I claimed no service connected disabilities, though I guess I could have with my PTSD but I didn’t go that route for personal reasons. So if you are asking about the groups in the attached link I THINK I would be Group V if I were enrolled, which I am not.

https://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/resources/publications/hbco/hbco_enrollment_eligibility.asp
 
Veterans Sustain Two Serious Defeats From Trump And The House To VA Health Care

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Disheartening indeed. Everything privatized becomes more expensive. But shifting VA care to private entities is an easy way for Trump/GOP to repay wealthy healthcare donor companies.
Why I give zero f%&ks about veterans. They can eat cake and when Trump takes that away from them they can go starve for all I care.

Don't get mad at me, they did that to themselves. They made their VA they can lie in it.
 
I'm not sure that privatization equates to high cost. Government Agencies aren't known for their cost-effectiveness.
You never had to deal with Medicare Part D, have you? That is privatized and it has resulted in skyrocketing costs for consumers compared to before it came out.

America's private health care system has always cost more than health care in other first world countries where life spans far outstrip ours.
 
Does this allow veterans to receive their treatment at places other than the VA if they chose to? I pay from my own treatment specifically because I hate the treatment I receive at the VA. Would this mean I no longer have to pay?

Privatizing the VA will make it more expensive and lessen the expertise of the doctors.

I, for one, think that the doctors at the VA are the best. The administration is horrible but the doctors are great. I have now had 5 operations at the VA and they have all been absolutely perfect. I love the doctors though the administration of care is horrible.
 
You never had to deal with Medicare Part D, have you? That is privatized and it has resulted in skyrocketing costs for consumers compared to before it came out.
Got any data?
Zalatix\ America's private health care system has always cost more than health care in other first world countries where life spans far outstrip ours.[/QUOTE said:
Yeah, Obamacare has been shorting our lifespans for years now. That and our gang violence, opioid epidemic, etc.
 
Do you mean the VA priority group? I haven’t messed with it for a couple years. I retired from the Army with 20 years and a pension. I claimed no service connected disabilities, though I guess I could have with my PTSD but I didn’t go that route for personal reasons. So if you are asking about the groups in the attached link I THINK I would be Group V if I were enrolled, which I am not.

https://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/resources/publications/hbco/hbco_enrollment_eligibility.asp

I think you'd probably be in Group VII or Group VIII, which aren't really even served all that much anymore however if you HAD claimed PTSD and the claim went through (which it usually would with help from a VA disability attorney) you could wind up in anywhere from Group III to Group II.

I think Groups 7 and 8 are where you just use the TriCare to as regular medical insurance on the outside.
 
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