Did Solo bomb because of a backlash to Disney Politicing?

The politics TLJ really dated the movie. Decades from now it'll be so 2017.

But Solo? Who wanted a Solo movie? NO ONE. We wanted Kenobi.

Ill see it when its on Netflix, but I refuse to give Kathleen Kennedy a single cent. Completely disrespectful to the fans, and racist sexist. She lied to George Lucas's face about respecting his characters. Rian Johnson too, **** him, the look on Mark Hamill's face when he asks him on the stage "But what are we going to do for the fans?" and he replies, "Nothing, we have to focus on OUR new characters and our story" and the audience applauds, was just brutal. Mark's face went right into his palm. It was almost as bad as his face after the premiere of TLJ. Rian through out everything JJ Abrams set up, everything in the original 3, and then he just walks away from the trainwreck he caused.

I cannot believe they through out the EU as cannon for this crap.

Only can speak for me...

It was on the backs of two movies I wanted to see far more (Infinity War and Deadpool 2), and the last Star Wars movie I saw was ****ing horrendous, so I just wasn't nearly as hyped or excited to rush out and go see it as I would've in years past. Especially on a Holiday weekend when more interesting things were going on.

I think a big part of it was due to the backlash of TLJ, and the fact that they for some reason, decided that the Christmas release window was not the way to go this time. They can't keep churning these out and thinking they'll all get a profit.

Zyphlin said:

Only can speak for me...

It was on the backs of two movies I wanted to see far more (Infinity War and Deadpool 2), and the last Star Wars movie I saw was ****ing horrendous, so I just wasn't nearly as hyped or excited to rush out and go see it as I would've in years past. Especially on a Holiday weekend when more interesting things were going on.

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Exactly. Why they didn't just release it on Christmas is crazy to me. It's such a good window for them.

Hawkeye10 said:

Do you know toy sales are plummeting?

You best take this seriously.

I may be right again.

:2wave:

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Nope, you most definitely are not going to be right.

As of the end of 2017, Disney had already made

Lets set the Marketing Budget for all three movies at $175, the number I found for The Force Awakens. Couldn't find it for the other two, but considering that one was the most marketed of the three I think it's erring on the side of caution.

The Force Awakens costed $306 million in production. It grossed $2.068 Billion world wide. So that's a net of $1.587 Billion

Rogue One cost $265 million in production. It grossed $1.056 Billion. That's a net of $616 Million

The Last Jedi cost $217 million in production. It grossed $1.332 Billion. That's a net of 940 Million.

So going off just those, they've already made $3.143 Billion of that $4.06 Billion they paid. They only need to make another $917 Million to break even, and that's just counting the movies in theaters.

That's not counting the sale of toys, video games, books, or home release sales.

At the very least, Disney is EASILY going to break even, which is ultimately still a value to them as it gives them the IP to use in their parks and other movies and shows. In reality, when factoring in all the other forms of revenue that Star Wars brings beyond just the box office, and considering the fact that even moderately successful movies after they break even will be all profit, it's abundantly clear that they did not make a bad judgement with the purchase and absolute are getting their money's worth.

Did it Bomb or just do a worse than "OMG AMAZING"? Big difference.

The SW universe was always hokey, and the epic/good parts apparently peaked in Empire, and everything else has been hit/miss since. The latest two were so bad, I felt like I was watching a Disney Channel high school kids show, needed an audience laugh track.

Solo is a flashback in a way, and flashbacks turn me off right away because my brain tells me "it already happened, it doesn't matter, you know who lives, etc."
On top of that, the universe so so big, why did they try to re-create their luck of lightning striking when they found Harrison Ford?

I agree also with Zyphlin that there are some reliably good movies out now/recently, that suck the air out of wanting to do a theater to see it.

I like Woody and Glover, and I expect I'll enjoy their performances, and like some of the sci fi scenery, but otherwise I'm not expecting much. We can tell when art is created for churning out profit, it will never compare to epics that were labors of love, or written by talented writers over a much, much longer period than these recent Star Wars screenwriters throw together in a few months.

1.) solo didnt "bomb" lol i think a poor planned release impacted it but it didnt bomb
2.) Disney is fine, political backlash played no role, i dont even know of any LEGIT political backlash not to mention the obvious that it didnt affect other movies. Marvel is Disney, how much did black panther make again?
3.) I "liked" Solo :shrug: was it a top jedi movie? nope but i still liked it.
I simply want entertainment i dont try to make up stories about why things are how they are OUTSIDE of the story itself especially with ZERO evidence or logic.
IE when two people (who are now banned thank god) cried for months over Rey being strong with the force cause she is a girl and how it made no sense and was abnormal but young Anakin being the ONLY human capable of pod racing at 9 years old was normal. It was hilarious .. . . who does that to themselves?

anyway theres simply no logic to say it bombed or that points to political backlash.

Zyphlin said:

Only can speak for me...

It was on the backs of two movies I wanted to see far more (Infinity War and Deadpool 2), and the last Star Wars movie I saw was ****ing horrendous, so I just wasn't nearly as hyped or excited to rush out and go see it as I would've in years past. Especially on a Holiday weekend when more interesting things were going on.

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That's probably the main reason it didn't do as well as they hoped.

Really it didn't "bomb"... it made #1 in the box office. It just wasn't a HUGE as the producers hoped right out of the gate, in large part b/c Infinity Wars and Dead Pool 2 are still drawing big crowds.

I went to see it, b/c I'm a SW fan and a Han Solo fan. It could have been better, but if you understand this is not an epic, good vs evil universe-at-stake SW mainline film but a smaller "origin story", it is enjoyable, even if not as well made as it should have been.

Hawkeye10 said:

Piece of info: It is said that this one is doing particularly poorly overseas compared to the others, that is that the box office collapse is worse there than here.

If this is so in the end I don't know what this means.

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I am outside the US and I didn't know the movie was made let alone in the theaters.

dirtpoorchris said:

It can definately cost them future oppurtunity. With Rogue One I fell asleep half through (thats a first for a starwars) and then with this Solo... I think Ill give Starwars a rest for 10 years and see where it ends up.

Whats up with liberals hijacking all our sci-fi? Startrek was hijacked by people that want to carve their own destiny into startrek and im not sure if thats worse or better than Starwars being a luke-warm to cold franchise.

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Of course you fell asleep. You had seen the movie years before.

AGENT J said:

1.) solo didnt "bomb" lol i think a poor planned release impacted it but it didnt bomb
2.) Disney is fine, political backlash played no role, i dont even know of any LEGIT political backlash not to mention the obvious that it didnt affect other movies. Marvel is Disney, how much did black panther make again?
3.) I "liked" Solo :shrug: was it a top jedi movie? nope but i still liked it.
I simply want entertainment i dont try to make up stories about why things are how they are OUTSIDE of the story itself especially with ZERO evidence or logic.
IE when two people (who are now banned thank god) cried for months over Rey being strong with the force cause she is a girl and how it made no sense and was abnormal but young Anakin being the ONLY human capable of pod racing at 9 years old was normal. It was hilarious .. . . who does that to themselves?

anyway theres simply no logic to say it bombed or that points to political backlash.

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I am just curious Agent J. When you speak to people in real life do you put the 1 and 2 in front of all of your points?

For anybody that saw this movie, how far did they go in the time line with Han's story?

Where did it end?

Mason66 said:

I am just curious Agent J. When you speak to people in real life do you put the 1 and 2 in front of all of your points?

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Why would i do that? in real life a person has less ability to try and manipulate part of a conversation/statement in a dishonest fashion and or theres less likely a chance of honest confusion.

My numbers are a courtesy to anybody in the discussion. That way theres no confusion as to what point im addressing or what point im making. Ive gotten way more compliments on them then complaints by a huge margin :shrug:

dirtpoorchris said:

Startrek was altruistic I wouldnt really say thats a defining trait of modern day liberalism, which is tolerance and not really altruism. And starwars was more like small and almost helpless republics vs federal power and the universe secretly conspiring to help the good guys.

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uHHHH, Gene Roddenberry used Star Wars to push a few liberal agendas. The first on air interracial kiss, for one. The Network said no, so they asked to film it both ways. One with the kiss and one without the kiss. And they spent all day reshooting the kiss, and only had one shot do it without. And Shatner crossed his eyes and ruined the shot, so the interracial kiss was put on the air.

Nichele Nichols almost quit Star Trek, til she found out that MLK Jr was a fan and it was the only show he let his kids watch, because it showed black people as equals. And not second class citizens. It spoke of a world that had realized his dreams. Where race did not matter.


If you don't think Star Trek wasn't the original SJW show, then you just don't get Star Trek.

Hawkeye10 said:

Having studio heads so bad that they have to fire their directors of an already very expensive blockbuster like two months into a shoot, then hire someone like Opie (One of the few people good enough to pull off a miracle reliably, but it will cost ya) to spend a year or whatever it was to make a whole different movie, well that tends to get spendy....

https://screenrant.com/solo-movie-budget-cost-star-wars/

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/solo-a-star-wars-story-box-office-losses-1202825432/

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That happens for a lot of movies. Happened for the last 3 Star Wars movies.

Hawkeye10 said:

that is one reason given. Others are too many Star Wars movies wearing people out, that this one is easy to skip because just about nothing in it matters re the Star Wars Universe, then there were all the stories about a messed up production to include the firing of the first directors, there has also been claims that even though they spent it is said $150 million selling this movie they did it poorly to include a poor quality trailer, I have seen claims that the story is boring...that Disney played it overly safe, I have heard that there are just too many better escape movies (comic book) this year which ties into the backlash theory in that a movie stuffed with America @ 2018 politics is not an escape movie...

Of Course Disney pushing their politics in their movies generally and in Star Wars movies in particular has been a Hot Topic around here for years, hopefully we dont need to argue about whether Disney has been pushing or not.

WHADDYA THINK?

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Those who think that the politics wasn't at fault need to find us a really successful movie that touted the same politics. Because as far as the Star Wars series goes the record is success after success until this toxic ingredient of SJW and identity politics claptrap is added, then bomb.

Add SJW, Identity Politics to the NFL - bomb.

Add SJW, Identity Politics to ESPN - declining subscribers.

Add SJW, Identity Politics to college - declining enrollment.

Add SJW, Identity Politics to CNN - ratings plummet.

Add SJW, Identity Politics to a Beauty Pageant - soon to be a bomb.

Get woke, go broke.

MMA, UFC adds TRUE equality in dignity. Adds womens MMA. Ratings soar.

(although there is still the prolem of MMA fighters making 50 times less (or even more less) than NBA, NFL, BOXING)

I had one Star Wars "fan" claim that it sucked because "there were no space lasers" in the movie (although there were some, just not in the traditional sense or normal battles we are used to seeing in Star Wars movies, which makes sense since Han had pretty much nothing to do with the Jedis). His claim was that people were expecting the space lasers and didn't get them.