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Trump war against Mueller will make Dem midterm turnout soar

Rogue Valley said:
Trump is a Republican
Sessions is a Republican
Rosenstein is a Republican
Wray is a Republican
Mueller is a Republican

Whatever Democrats are on the DoJ Mueller team report to the people above.
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Good point. And nobody has yet to demonstrate that the party registration of a lawyer working for Mueller prevents them from doing a fair and objective job.
 
haymarket said:
Good point. And nobody has yet to demonstrate that the party registration of a lawyer working for Mueller prevents them from doing a fair and objective job.
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Indeed. More misdirection from Trumpers.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump is a Republican
Sessions is a Republican
Rosenstein is a Republican
Wray is a Republican
Mueller is a Republican

Whatever Democrats are on the DoJ Mueller team report to the people above.
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Did any of them outside of Mueller have anything to do with the composition of this team? No. You may trust Mueller to be fairminded and impartial being Comey's pal and all. I do not and neither do most Republicans who know what is going on.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
i noticed they have not named any of the prosecuters that they have a problem with
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Hey, maybe you can name all the investigators on Ken Starr's team. No? Well, maybe you shouldn't have had any problems with him, either. Your deflection is noted.
 
haymarket said:
Good point. And nobody has yet to demonstrate that the party registration of a lawyer working for Mueller prevents them from doing a fair and objective job.
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We'll keep that in mind for the next Democrat investigation.
 
veritas1 said:
Of the 16 primary attorneys, 13 are Democrats and 3 are unaffiliated. You can parse words all you like but there isn't a Republican in sight.
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veritas1 said:
Did any of them outside of Mueller have anything to do with the composition of this team? No. You may trust Mueller to be fairminded and impartial being Comey's pal and all. I do not and neither do most Republicans who know what is going on.
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That has got to be the goal post move of the century.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
i noticed they have not named any of the prosecuters that they have a problem with
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The one's that directly contributed to Hillary's campaign. You see, when you just witnessed the biggest political upset in United States history, then an investigation is launched against the winner, it would probably be good not to hire lawyers who contributed to the loser of said election. you are asking for(and should receive) criticism for doing that. There are a thousand good attorneys. Pick one's that didn't contribute to either candidate so every sees the investigation will be totally unbiased.

hard to believe I have to explain this to thinking adults, but here we are.
 
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veritas1 said:
Did any of them outside of Mueller have anything to do with the composition of this team? No. You may trust Mueller to be fairminded and impartial being Comey's pal and all. I do not and neither do most Republicans who know what is going on.
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which members of muellers team do you have a problem with?

do you have a problem with Zainab Ahmad, who has successfully prosecuted cases involving international terrorism and more specifically this:
Ahmad successfully prosecuted al-Qaeda terrorist Najibullah Zazi, who pleaded guilty in 2010 to terrorism charges relating to a plot to bomb the New York City subways on the 9/11 anniversary.

In 2017, Ahmad co-led the prosecution of Muhanad Mahmoud Al Farekh, an American citizen who was convicted on nine counts related to an al-Qaeda plan to attack US troops in Afghanistan.
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or do you have a problem with greg Andres? here is his profile.
Greg Andres is a white-collar criminal defense lawyer who specializes in fraud and foreign bribery. He served as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, and was involved in the successful prosecution of an $8 billion Ponzi scheme. Most recently, Andres worked as a corporate lawyer at the law firm Davis Polk & Wardwell.
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his notable cases?
Andres was involved in the prosecution of Robert Allen Stanford in an $8 billion Ponzi scheme case. Stanford was convicted in 2012 on 13 counts, including mail fraud, money laundering and conspiracy.

While in the US attorney’s office in Brooklyn, Andres led a mafia investigation that convicted dozens of mob associates. In those situations, the prosecutors attempted to pressure witnesses into cooperation — also known as “flipping.” Leaders of the Bonanno organized crime family in New York even hatched a plan to kill him, though they never carried it out, according to court documents.
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i can go down the list if you want.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/politics/meet-the-mueller-team/index.html
 
haymarket said:
Good point. And nobody has yet to demonstrate that the party registration of a lawyer working for Mueller prevents them from doing a fair and objective job.
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That's true. It's also true, however, that 12 out of 17 are Democrats.

From Politifact:

The Special Counsel’s office had made public the identities of 17 attorney staff members through March 21. Their backgrounds are summarized here.

...Through public records,we were able to independently confirm that at least 12 people on Mueller’s staff are registered Democrats.

...However, Trump’s assertion that there are no Republicans on the team is undercut by the fact that its leader is Mueller, who is registered as a Republican in the District of Columbia. Fact-checking Donald Trump's claims about Democrats on Robert Mueller's team | PolitiFact
 
Cardinal said:
That has got to be the goal post move of the century.
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Really? How so? Mueller picked his team. He picked Democrats and no Republicans. I didn't bring up Trump, Sessions, Rosenstein, etc. You need to look elsewhere for goalpost moving.
 
nota bene said:
That's true. It's also true, however, that 12 out of 17 are Democrats.

From Politifact:

The Special Counsel’s office had made public the identities of 17 attorney staff members through March 21. Their backgrounds are summarized here.
Through public records,we were able to independently confirm that at least 12 people on Mueller’s staff are registered Democrats.

...However, Trump’s assertion that there are no Republicans on the team is undercut by the fact that its leader is Mueller, who is registered as a Republican in the District of Columbia. Fact-checking Donald Trump's claims about Democrats on Robert Mueller's team | PolitiFact
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question: does their political affiliation matter more than their experience in prosecuting crimes?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
which members of muellers team do you have a problem with?

do you have a problem with Zainab Ahmad, who has successfully prosecuted cases involving international terrorism and more specifically this:


or do you have a problem with greg Andres? here is his profile.

his notable cases?

i can go down the list if you want.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/politics/meet-the-mueller-team/index.html
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My biggest problem is with Mueller. He's the one who excluded Republicans.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
question: does their political affiliation matter more than their experience in prosecuting crimes?
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Hey, I thought you guys were the kings of diversity. Where's the political diversity here? Or maybe only your opponents need to follow such things.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
question: does their political affiliation matter more than their experience in prosecuting crimes?
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No.

Question: What are the odds that a majority happen to be Democrats?
 
veritas1 said:
My biggest problem is with Mueller. He's the one who excluded Republicans.
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are the people mueller selected problematic? do you have any objections to the two people i already mentioned? or do simply not care about their actual job experience?
 
nota bene said:
No.

Question: What are the odds that a majority happen to be Democrats?
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I have yet to verify the authenticity or quality of this study, but if it's true then there is 8.6:1 ratio of Democrats to Republicans in the field of law. So to the question, "What are the odds that a majority happen to be Democrats?" the answer appears to be "Very, very high."

https://econjwatch.org/articles/fac...-journalism-communications-law-and-psychology

When then brings us to the next question: should Mueller continue to pass over highly qualified prosecutors and attorneys to find more Republicans?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
are the people mueller selected problematic? do you have any objections to the two people i already mentioned? or do simply not care about their actual job experience?
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I'm not playing the game. The problem is the one sided political make up of the team. I understand your need to change the subject.
 
veritas1 said:
I'm not playing the game. The problem is the one sided political make up of the team. I understand your need to change the subject.
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do you have a problem with Andrew Weissmann?

Andrew Weissmann was one of Mueller’s first hires, leaving his Justice Department role as chief of the Criminal Division Fraud Section. The two men have worked together for several years at the FBI – Weissman was Mueller’s special counsel in 2005, and the bureau’s general counsel in 2011. He’s known for his aggressive approach to white collar cases.

Role on Mueller team:
Weissmann jointly leads the case against Manafort and Gates.

Notable cases:
Weissmann famously led the Justice Department’s Enron Task Force in the early 2000s, where he investigated over 30 members of the company’s upper echelon. One of Weissmann’s more memorable tactics included charging the spouse of Enron’s chief financial officer Andrew Fastow. The approach led to guilty pleas from both Fastows, and the former business leader’s cooperation in the investigation.

Weissmann was responsible for trying more than 25 cases and prosecuting several members of the Genovese, Colombo and Gambino crime families in the Brooklyn US attorney’s office, according to a DOJ press release.

Weissmann was also involved in a cooperation agreement signed between the US government and Felix Sater in 1998, according to court filings. Sater, who did business with President Donald Trump in the 2000s, would later become an FBI informant who helped the government pursue organized crime figures. His activities during the campaign attracted the scrutiny of investigators on the House Intelligence Committee. He testified before the panel in December 2017.
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or Jeannie Rhee?

Rhee, a white-collar crime specialist focusing on government investigations, left the private firm WilmerHale to join Mueller’s team. During the Obama administration, she served as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel, which can weigh some of the thorniest legal questions for the executive branch.

Role on Mueller team:
Rhee has been involved in the case against 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian entities for allegedly meddling in the 2016 election by using social media to spread divisive political messages. She also worked on George Papadopoulos’ guilty plea, for lying to the FBI.

Notable cases:

Rhee has tried over 30 cases for the Department of Justice. During the Obama administration, she advised the White House and attorney general on criminal law, executive privilege and other legal matters, according to her biography on the Council of Korean Americans website.

Rhee represented Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in a lawsuit about her private emails, and she also represented the Clinton Foundation in a civil racketeering case that was later dismissed.

Rhee also represented President Barack Obama’s deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes during the House Benghazi Committee’s investigation into the deadly 2012 terrorist attack in Libya.
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Unitedwestand13 said:
why does the answer to that question matter?
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For the same reason it would matter had the parties been reversed. What if Mueller had selected all Republicans and no Democrats? This isn't really complicated. There are competent, experienced attorneys from both parties.
 
veritas1 said:
For the same reason it would matter had the parties been reversed. What if Mueller had selected all Republicans and no Democrats? This isn't really complicated. There are competent, experienced attorneys from both parties.
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do you have proof that their partisanship is overriding their professionalism?
 
veritas1 said:
Really? How so? Mueller picked his team. He picked Democrats and no Republicans. I didn't bring up Trump, Sessions, Rosenstein, etc. You need to look elsewhere for goalpost moving.
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I count about 28 people on his team. You said thirteen are Democrats. Is it really your position that there are zero Republicans on his team?
 
Cardinal said:
I count about 28 people on his team. You said thirteen are Democrats. Is it really your position that there are zero Republicans on his team?
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I guess you're including staffers and the like. They are not at issue. None of the primary attorneys are Republicans. If you think this is OK, fine. Others see it differently.
 
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