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Michael Barone: Obama’s spying scandal is starting to look a lot like Watergate

itsforthekids said:
We wouldn't have you. You choose to ignore facts.
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Sounds like Truthin' to me. Your paranoid conspiracy fantasies have created a world in which good and evil is a simple thing, political party. That's a result of trauma.
 
itsforthekids said:
There is lengthy evidence, which you already know but choose to ignore, that barry's administration from the IRS targeting conservative groups, to the FBI and CIA also targeting conservatives. Do you think the tarmac meeting between biil "rapist" clinton and Loretta "should be" lynch was benign? The difference between hitler and Obama's administration and hildebeast? There was less evidence against hitler!
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Ah, yes that evidence that no one sees are has including the president. And the "meeting" what a laugh. A nothing burger like all of your other evidence. Yet yoou look past all of the real evidence that the Trump people had multiple meetings with the Russians all over the world that they have continually lied about. I think that Trumpsters will beieive no matter what the evidence, but if you don' have any real evidence about Obama except what trump tells you, maybe you should just stop writing this crap.
 
code1211 said:
I'm saying two things:
1. All of the folks who seem to be the recipients of the leaks that are revered by the Media lap dogs say that Halper is the spy that did the dirt to the Trump Campaign.
2. It's a documented fact that he received a whole big pile-o-money from the Feds during the period that Obama was in office.
These dots are not hard to connect. Halper was the spy working on behalf of the Democrats against the republicans. Halper was paid by the Obama Administration.
In a possibly unrelated observation, Nixon was forced from office for less.
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So the Feds = the Democrats = the Dod = the FBI
Just one big lump of THEM, Obama's minions.
That seems counter-factual.
:shrug:

I totally understand the narrative you are believing.
I'm just looking for the evidence that supports it.

You're not the person who can articulate it.

Thank for the refresher on your conspiracy theory though.
 
itsforthekids said:
There is lengthy evidence, which you already know but choose to ignore, that barry's administration from the IRS targeting conservative groups, to the FBI and CIA also targeting conservatives. Do you think the tarmac meeting between biil "rapist" clinton and Loretta "should be" lynch was benign? The difference between hitler and Obama's administration and hildebeast? There was less evidence against hitler!
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You can't answer the question about Halper so you launch into a screed about other things.

When come back bring pie.
 
Puigb said:
Trump and his thugs are going to go down in flames, and Republican voters and right wing media are doing everything possible to try and deflect from that fact. I love it. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of scumbags.
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I agree. They can whine all they want but Trump is in deep trouble. The American people will realize that these people were protecting a criminal.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I suspect Congress realizes the dumpster fire they have in the WH.
That's why there has been such bipartisan support in Congress for the sanctions against Russia and China despite Trump's best efforts to thwart the sanctions.


When was the last president where the Congress decided to take that power from the PotUS?


They very well know he's a ****tup petard.


It seems everyone — even most of his supporters — knows that Trump is a fraud and a huckster.
He's a con man and we know it.


The US president is wants China to be able to keep selling it spy-ware phones in the US .
So, he's not a patriot. A patriot wouldn't wish that **** on his country.
Trump is a shady opportunist and we all know it.

A number of us are enjoying the fact that Trump is slinging poo at "The Establishment" who have betrayed us.
We're also realizing that someone is going clean up the flung poo.
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Trump isn't "slinging poo" at the establishment any more, if anything he's proven himself nothing more than a typical GOP president pushing the establishment's GOP's agenda. That's the ONLY reason why the GOP is protecting him. If he didn't do what they wanted, they would have thrown his fat ass to the wolves a long time ago.
 
code1211 said:
It is nice that you are predicting the 5th Straight Blue Wave Election since 2010.

Many more successes are predicted than remembered.

[h=2]2018 Generic Congressional Vote
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2014 Midterm Polls | 2010 Midterm Polls | 2006 Midterm Polls | 2002 Midterm Polls


[h=3]Polling Data[/h]
PollDateSampleDemocrats (D)Republicans (R)Spread
RCP Average4/25 - 5/22--44.240.2Democrats +4.0
Harvard-Harris5/21 - 5/221347 RV4437Democrats +7
Economist/YouGov5/20 - 5/221263 RV4338Democrats +5
Reuters/Ipsos5/18 - 5/221080 RV4037Democrats +3
Rasmussen Reports5/13 - 5/172500 LV4342Democrats +1
CNN5/2 - 5/5901 RV4744Democrats +3
Pew Research4/25 - 5/11221 RV4843Democrats +5
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Blue wave or not, Trump and his thugs will eventually pay the price for their misdeeds and criminal behavior.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So the Feds = the Democrats = the Dod = the FBI
Just one big lump of THEM, Obama's minions.
That seems counter-factual.
:shrug:

I totally understand the narrative you are believing.
I'm just looking for the evidence that supports it.

You're not the person who can articulate it.

Thank for the refresher on your conspiracy theory though.
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It just seems a tad suspicious to me that ALL of the lines lead to the conclusion that the power of the Government of the US was used to undermine and silence the opponents of the Democrats and Obama.

Conspiracy theory?

A government employee of the CIA was spying on the Trump campaign and got paid about a half million dollars tax dollars while he was doing it.

That's not a conspiracy theory. It's a resume'.
 
Puigb said:
Blue wave or not, Trump and his thugs will eventually pay the price for their misdeeds and criminal behavior.
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What are "their misdeeds and criminal behavior" that you are conjuring?
 
code1211 said:
It just seems a tad suspicious to me that ALL of the lines lead to the conclusion that the power of the Government of the US was used to undermine and silence the opponents of the Democrats and Obama.

Conspiracy theory?

A government employee of the CIA was spying on the Trump campaign and got paid about a half million dollars tax dollars while he was doing it.

That's not a conspiracy theory. It's a resume'.
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The so called "spy" controversy has already as BS by what is left of the woeful Republican Party that can still think past lining up which all the rest of them appear to be able to do....line up.
 
code1211 said:
It just seems a tad suspicious to me that ALL of the lines lead to the conclusion that the power of the Government of the US was used to undermine and silence the opponents of the Democrats and Obama.
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No, they don't.
So far as I have seen, the only evidence offered that Obama sent Halper is folks saying "I think this is true"

If you know of some document that shows that Obama ordered Halper, or some personk who says thay have knowledge of Obama ordering Halper, please share.

So far, proponents of that conspiracy theory just say that they "surmise" it (or some similar such)

code1211 said:
A government employee of the CIA was spying on the Trump campaign and got paid about a half million dollars tax dollars while he was doing it.
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Iirc, Halper contracts with the DoD for DoD things and the FBI stuff was a favor.
But, if you have evidence to the contrary, please share it.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
No, they don't.
So far as I have seen, the only evidence offered that Obama sent Halper is folks saying "I think this is true"

If you know of some document that shows that Obama ordered Halper, or some personk who says thay have knowledge of Obama ordering Halper, please share.

So far, proponents of that conspiracy theory just say that they "surmise" it (or some similar such)


Iirc, Halper contracts with the DoD for DoD things and the FBI stuff was a favor.
But, if you have evidence to the contrary, please share it.
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You seem to be forced to ignore mush to support your belief system.

In my experience, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Apparently, your experience offers a different view of reality.
 
code1211 said:
You seem to be forced to ignore mush to support your belief system.
In my experience, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
Apparently, your experience offers a different view of reality.
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I do ignore mush.
I ignore the mushy emotional demagoguery or Trumpco.

You're willing to believe with zero evidence offered. I guess because the narrative aligns with your personal world-view. But I don't really know why.

as far as I know
So far, no one has offered any evidence that
  1. Halper harmed Trumpco
  2. Halper did anything but talk to members of Trumpco
  3. Obama ordered Halper to harm Trumpco [ or that Obama ordered Halper to even talk Trumpco]
  4. Halper did anything illegal
  5. Halper did anything unethical

But, despite this lack of evidence of wrong-doing, some folks have accepted what they were told by Trumpco.
I guess because they like believing it.

When pressed, proponents of this conspiracy theory start talking about Hillary Clinton and various other matters which are not one of the bit of missing evidence.
Or they explain that they don't need that sort of evidence because they can just tell.

Feel free to explain what harm the duck did.
Feel free to explain what laws the duck broke.

And if you can find any evidence of Obama ordering the duck around, share that too, please.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
I do ignore mush.
I ignore the mushy emotional demagoguery or Trumpco.

You're willing to believe with zero evidence offered. I guess because the narrative aligns with your personal world-view. But I don't really know why.

as far as I know
So far, no one has offered any evidence that
  1. Halper harmed Trumpco
  2. Halper did anything but talk to members of Trumpco
  3. Obama ordered Halper to harm Trumpco [ or that Obama ordered Halper to even talk Trumpco]
  4. Halper did anything illegal
  5. Halper did anything unethical

But, despite this lack of evidence of wrong-doing, some folks have accepted what they were told by Trumpco.
I guess because they like believing it.

When pressed, proponents of this conspiracy theory start talking about Hillary Clinton and various other matters which are not one of the bit of missing evidence.
Or they explain that they don't need that sort of evidence because they can just tell.

Feel free to explain what harm the duck did.
Feel free to explain what laws the duck broke.

And if you can find any evidence of Obama ordering the duck around, share that too, please.
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There is far more evidence of Halper doing something unethical in regard to the 2016 election than there is of Trump doing anything unethical.

For starters, we know that Halper did these things. Mueller and Comey have confirmed this. We also know that Trump has never been charged with a crime impacting the election and that no crime impacting the elction has been cited by the DOJ as having been committed by Trump.

Trump is subjected to an ongoing political/legal colonoscopy and Halper is to be excused before the first look?

Interesting "application", change to read, "abuse", of our "Justice" system.

I'm only asking that the refs call the same fouls on both ends of the court. Right now, impartiality in our legal system is a dim memory.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I do ignore mush.
I ignore the mushy emotional demagoguery or Trumpco.

You're willing to believe with zero evidence offered. I guess because the narrative aligns with your personal world-view. But I don't really know why.

as far as I know
So far, no one has offered any evidence that
  1. Halper harmed Trumpco
  2. Halper did anything but talk to members of Trumpco
  3. Obama ordered Halper to harm Trumpco [ or that Obama ordered Halper to even talk Trumpco]
  4. Halper did anything illegal
  5. Halper did anything unethical

But, despite this lack of evidence of wrong-doing, some folks have accepted what they were told by Trumpco.
I guess because they like believing it.

When pressed, proponents of this conspiracy theory start talking about Hillary Clinton and various other matters which are not one of the bit of missing evidence.
Or they explain that they don't need that sort of evidence because they can just tell.

Feel free to explain what harm the duck did.
Feel free to explain what laws the duck broke.

And if you can find any evidence of Obama ordering the duck around, share that too, please.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...know-everything-clinton-email-case/315785002/
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The tranche of communications Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wis., released Wednesday include a Sept. 2, 2016, exchange in which FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok and bureau lawyer Lisa Page discuss talking points that were prepared for then-FBI Director James Comey.

"POTUS (the president) wants to know everything we are doing," Page told Strzok, according to the texts.
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code1211 said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...know-everything-clinton-email-case/315785002/
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The tranche of communications Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wis., released Wednesday include a Sept. 2, 2016, exchange in which FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok and bureau lawyer Lisa Page discuss talking points that were prepared for then-FBI Director James Comey.


"POTUS (the president) wants to know everything we are doing," Page told Strzok, according to the texts.
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This text is from September 2016 and is about Strzok preparing a report which had not been delivered.
Halper started visiting Trumpco in July 2016 — months before this text was written and before the report teh text is about was completed and before the report was delivered to Obama.
Presumably, the decision to ask Halper to talk to Trumpco occurred before Halper went to talk to Trumpco — earlier in July or prior to July.

In September, when Strzok was writing this text, Obama had not yet been informed of what was in Strzok's report — Strzok was still preparing that report.
In September, when Strzok was writing this text, the decision to send Halper to talk with Trumpco had already been made.




If Obama learned about Halper from the report that Strzok completed sometime after Strzok wrote this text in September, then Obama didn't find out about Halper until at least months after Halper visited with Trumpco.




Since your evidence only shows that Obama could've learned about Halper months after the fact, why do you think it's evidence that Obama ordered Halper to spy on Trumpco?
 
code1211 said:
There is far more evidence of Halper doing something unethical in regard to the 2016 election than there is of Trump doing anything unethical.
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As far as I know, Halper only communicated with some Trumpco folks.
As far as I know, communicating with Trumpco folks is not illegal nor even unethical.

What was / were Halper's unethical acts?
 
Quoting zimmer...

" The Obama administration folks (which includes their media), are scrambling hard to try and cover for Obama. But there is just to much evidence already. "

On the money !
The obama regime has covered up more evidence that will never be revealed.No telling what type of bribes,blackmails and threats this regime has done in order to derail Trump's journey to the White house.
Who knows ?
The spying may be continuing.
 
PTF said:
Quoting zimmer...

" The Obama administration folks (which includes their media), are scrambling hard to try and cover for Obama. But there is just to much evidence already. "

On the money !
The obama regime has covered up more evidence that will never be revealed.No telling what type of bribes,blackmails and threats this regime has done in order to derail Trump's journey to the White house.
Who knows ?
The spying may be continuing.
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There's no evidence.
But know in your bones the lack of evidence is proof of the conspiracy!
 
PoS said:
Nazis and Watergate, the two words Im so sick of hearing these days. I wish people would stop using them already.
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Oooooo.... stop baiting me to troll you already!
 
Kobie said:
i wish the Nazis hadn't done watergate
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It's much worse than that. The Nazi's used Watergate to implant the Deep State in a pizza shop basement to ignore Benghazi and kill Seth Rich.
 
itsforthekids said:
It looks like Watergate X a million.
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When your administration is mired deep in serious scandal, just invent a scandal that has your miniions saying really stupid stuff like... the fabricated scandal is you know... X a million worse.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So the Feds = the Democrats = the Dod = the FBI
Just one big lump of THEM, Obama's minions.
That seems counter-factual.
:shrug:

I totally understand the narrative you are believing.
I'm just looking for the evidence that supports it.

You're not the person who can articulate it.

Thank for the refresher on your conspiracy theory though.
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DDDDEeeeeeeep SSTAAAAAAAAATTTEE!
 
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