Isn’t it time to identify Obama as the New Nixon, but multiples worse

Mycroft said:

You are ahead of the game, though I don't blame you.

We had the first IG report that centered on McCabe's lying and leaking. Of course, nobody wants to talk about that.

Wait until the second IG report is released. This one will center on the Obama FBI/DOJ handling of the Hillary email investigation. The Obama-ites won't be able to ignore this one so easily. This one will be about more than just one person. It'll include Comey and Lynch along with others. And then, we'll get the IG report on the FISA abuse. The same cast of characters will be implicated...again...as well as others. And THEN, we'll get the IG report on Comey's leaking and lying.

During all this, Huber will start dropping indictments.

This is going to be an interesting year...if you are not part of the Obama administration. For those people, this year is going to be a nightmare.

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Just awful when the long arm of justice catches up with you, isn't it?

But then again, no one forced any one of those actors to take the actions that they did.
They themselves decided on those courses of action, and they themselves will need to account for those actions that they took of their free will.

veritas1 said:

Nor will there be any. Just as nothing will happen to Bush for him getting us into a war under false pretenses that cost trillions, killed thousands of our troops, maimed many thousands more and destabilized the ME, nothing will happen to Obama for his documented abuses of power. In the heirarchy of misdeeds, Nixon's is actually quite a petty one but he was loathed by many and so it was pursued. It was also pursued because back then we had a press actually interested in ferreting out evidence, not spewing innuendo.

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To be fair, Bush getting us into a war under alleged false pretense was not illegal considering that congress(both parties) voted to approve it.

Cardinal said:

You believe that it's the right of the President to use the DOJ to protect himself and persecute his political opponents, which is why you put someone into office who did precisely that. But just because you believe that's normal and right doesn't mean it was normal before Trump.

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You are quite confused. it was the Obama administration who used Hoder and Lynch to protect not only himself but Hillary Von Pantsuit as well. Where do you see trump doing the same? His own Attorney General recused himself from the Russian Collusion investigation from the start. Rosenstein is part of the deep state. if you are upset over Trump firing former FBI Director, Comey, you will just have to get over it. the firing was quite justified. Even Rosenstein says, everyone will know that once all the chips are on the table.

ObamacareFail said:

To be fair, Bush getting us into a war under alleged false pretense was not illegal considering that congress(both parties) voted to approve it.

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That is true but it's sort of one of those following the letter but not the spirit of the law things. Bush had Powell go to the UN and present some fairytale in order to get Congress to give him the authority to use force. Saddam was not a danger to the US in any way, shape or form. I think Bush had some personal agenda based on Saddam supposedly wanting to assassinate Daddy. That's a poor excuse for a war.

The sad part is that Bush had like 70-75% approval after 911 and could have used that good will to do some positive things. The vast majority supported going to Afghanistan and pummeling the Taliban. They just didn't want a nation building exercise. Far fewer people supported Iraq or saw any logic in it because it had none. It was sold to us much like Obamacare, with false advertising.

Mach said:

Stupid thread by zimmer as always.

I mean, I've seen attempts at diversion and mirroring, but this is about the dumbest. It's true that Nixon is similar to Trump, but I think Trump will win-out in the biggest criminal scandal to-date.

Obama had no such scandals or illegality. Not for Republicans lack of trying to find one.



That's false. code1211 was claiming this too in another thread.



https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-20/gop-surrenders-cherished-irs-scandal-at-last

See, you get your information from partisan Republican sources, and they beat these drums as though they are real for months, sometimes years or decades. But when all is said and done, it's evidence to be conspiracy theory trash talk.

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Partisan TDS motivated nonsense. If anyone is similar to Nixon, it is not only Obama, but Bill and Hillary as well.

ObamacareFail said:

You are quite confused. it was the Obama administration who used Hoder and Lynch to protect not only himself but Hillary Von Pantsuit as well.

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This is not the conspiracy theory subforum.

ObamacareFail said:

Where do you see trump doing the same? His own Attorney General recused himself from the Russian Collusion investigation from the start. Rosenstein is part of the deep state. if you are upset over Trump firing former FBI Director, Comey, you will just have to get over it. the firing was quite justified. Even Rosenstein says, everyone will know that once all the chips are on the table.

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He ordered the DOJ to investigate the FBI and anybody in the Obama administration. This was less than a week ago.

veritas1 said:

That is true but it's sort of one of those following the letter but not the spirit of the law things. Bush had Powell go to the UN and present some fairytale in order to get Congress to give him the authority to use force.

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One, it's only a fairy tail if it was intentional dishonesty. That was not the case. pretty much everyone, even in the US congress, including Bill, Hillary, Schumer, Pelosi, and all of the other usual suspects believed that the Saddam Regime had vast stocks of WMDs View the video at the bottom of this post. And it was up to the Iraq regime to prove that they had destroyed wmd material that previous inspectors had found and the regime had admitted to. That responsibility includes immediate access to sites the inspectors show up at. Two, the US, never in it's history has been required to get a permission slip from the UN to go to war with anyone. And the UN failed in it's responsibilities as they failed to enforce the many versions of sanctions against the Iraq regime. If one failed, they would just pass another, then another, and another, so on.

Saddam was not a danger to the US in any way, shape or form. I think Bush had some personal agenda based on Saddam supposedly wanting to assassinate Daddy. That's a poor excuse for a war.

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Saddam was more of a danger to our allies, however with the threat he represented to Kuwait and the Saudis, he was in effect a threat to the entire free world. The 1991 war was about Iraq overrunning Kuwait and then lining up on the Saudi border. He was lined up to take control of roughly 50% of the world's known oil reserves at the time. With that much control over oil, he could have on a whim wrecked the economies of most of the free world. Russia uses sales of natural gas in much the same way in the baltic states. Even without the wmds Bush had all the justification he needed to invade iraq as they were in clear violation of all the agreements they signed onto to end the 1991 war.

The sad part is that Bush had like 70-75% approval after 911 and could have used that good will to do some positive things. The vast majority supported going to Afghanistan and pummeling the Taliban. They just didn't want a nation building exercise. Far fewer people supported Iraq or saw any logic in it because it had none. It was sold to us much like Obamacare, with false advertising.

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But then the thing about support for wars is about how we go about them. Americans have supported virtually every war we have been involved in. The problem is when they go long. The elder Bush enjoyed full support for the 1991 war. it was quick and clean with clear objectives. he enjoyed something like 80% approval ratings when the war ended. The 2003 initially had broad public support, even from the democrats until it went long. Even the Vietnam War had initial support. if Bush had employed the surge strategy as soon as the insurgency popped up, I doubt his approval ratings would have suffered. The Afghanistan war is no longer popular because it has now gone on longer then any other war we have been in.

zimmer said:

Nixon covered for guys who broke into a hotel to get info from DNC offices.

He tried to cover-up the crime. He shouldn’t have.


Obama had to know the intel services were spying on Trump’s campaign. Wiretaps... informant/spies... unmaskings of Americans... just a whole panalopy of criminalities involving an opponent and his campaign during a presidential election.

He used the FBI, CIA, DoJ as tools like some 3rd World Banana Republic ****hole Dictator.

Obama hasn’t just slipped slightly below Nixon, he set a standard of criminality that is so low, absurd, and vile it will likely never be, and hopefully never be surpassed.

Where people once said “Nixonian” to call someone corrupt, we can now turn to calling such corruption Oba-manian... Barackistic.

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I am giving this post an F-. That's only because you spelled Obama correctly. Otherwise, I would give it a cork to fill in the lobotomy hole.

zimmer said:

You have an odd definition of “dignity”.

Spying on political opponents, using the intel services, and unmasking Americans... is not dignified. It’s ****hole 3rd World Dictatorship idiocy.

It’s Oba-manian.

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The only sh*t hole is what Trump is making of this country. And that bull**** spying bullsh** no one except the stupid still believe in. Trump says it exactly with no proof and the stupid believe it. Even Mitch Mcconnel has given that crap up. I have said that those who still believe in trump are like being in a cult. They believe whatever their master tells them is true and everything else , the real truth, is fake news. Stop drinking that Koolade. Stop watching the real fake news station, Fox News and start thinking. the reason you all want to try and make something up about Obama, like being a birther is he ran a clean 8 years and your man already has had over 20 indictments and 4 guilty pleads to his administration's shame.

zimmer said:

What’s inane about it?

He and host of criminals in the intel services abused their power to spy on Trump and his campaign.

What funny is the Leftists have done a 180.

In the 60’s they didn’t trust the state. Now, they love it and want to help cover its criminalities.

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That you can't see how inane it is makes it more inane. Get over it.

Yes. They were both statists and leftists.

Mach said:

Stupid thread by zimmer as always.

I mean, I've seen attempts at diversion and mirroring, but this is about the dumbest. It's true that Nixon is similar to Trump, but I think Trump will win-out in the biggest criminal scandal to-date.

Obama had no such scandals or illegality. Not for Republicans lack of trying to find one.



That's false. code1211 was claiming this too in another thread.



https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-20/gop-surrenders-cherished-irs-scandal-at-last

See, you get your information from partisan Republican sources, and they beat these drums as though they are real for months, sometimes years or decades. But when all is said and done, it's evidence to be conspiracy theory trash talk.

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I did not know the NYT was a “partisan Republican source”.

zimmer said:

Nixon covered for guys who broke into a hotel to get info from DNC offices.

He tried to cover-up the crime. He shouldn’t have.


Obama had to know the intel services were spying on Trump’s campaign. Wiretaps... informant/spies... unmaskings of Americans... just a whole panalopy of criminalities involving an opponent and his campaign during a presidential election.

He used the FBI, CIA, DoJ as tools like some 3rd World Banana Republic ****hole Dictator.

Obama hasn’t just slipped slightly below Nixon, he set a standard of criminality that is so low, absurd, and vile it will likely never be, and hopefully never be surpassed.

Where people once said “Nixonian” to call someone corrupt, we can now turn to calling such corruption Oba-manian... Barackistic.

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This is an Alice in Wonderland version of:

DOJ received reports of Russian attempts to infiltrate the Trump campaign and meddle directly in the 2016 elections. The FBI began an investigation into those reports and found evidence of same. DOJ reported these findings to the WH. Obama called in Congressional leaders from both parties, informed them of the Russian activity and recommended informing the country. Republican leaders objected, and Obama yielded. The country was kept in the dark until after the election.

RabidAlpaca said:

Well let's see, Obama was a Democrat who served his 8 years with dignity and exactly zero criminal charges whatsoever. Nixon is a Republican who resigned in shame based on officially recognized criminal misconduct. No, I don't see any similarities at all.

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You refuse to see...

Having a completely corrupt justice department which would not, under 2 extremely corrupt ( and this merely what wrongs we are already aware ), and another fairly corrupt, AGs, a lying leaking, spying FBI Leadership ( Comey, Mc cabe ), lying, plotting, spying intel agency heads ( Clapper Brennan )...none of whom would open up, be transparent to allow conressional committes access to really know the extent much less make a move against slenderman...

That wasnt a scandal free but instead that is a scandal investigation free administration. Two positions entirely distinct, different.

Amelia said:

No evidence of that.

Republicans spent gobs of money trying to find some connection between Obama and the questionable practices at the IRS, and they couldn't do it.

Republicans looked under every stone hoping to find even a hint that Obama tried to exert influence improperly and they found nothing.

Trump openly tries to influence agencies in ways that Republicans accused Obama of doing in secret, and Republicans are ignoring Trump's blatant wrongdoing and still trying to find some proof that Obama did something wrong.

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Republicans looked at the dirty rocks, tried to catch a glimpse below but were stymied at every turn.

Did you actually watch any of those hearings, see the obstruction, out and out lying by, ie, Director Koskinen, the brazen disregard of law and ethics, the thumb on the scale early, disingenuous pronouncements made by President slenderman?

Without grand jury and indictment power they, Republican legislators, could not get to the bottom of anything during those corrupt 8 years.

Gaugingcatenate said:

You refuse to see...

Having a completely corrupt justice department which would not, under 2 extremely corrupt ( and this merely what wrongs we are already aware ), and another fairly corrupt, AGs, a lying leaking, spying FBI Leadership ( Comey, Mc cabe ), lying, plotting, spying intel agency heads ( Clapper Brennan )...none of whom would open up, be transparent to allow conressional committes access to really know the extent much less make a move against slenderman...

That wasnt a scandal free but instead that is a scandal investigation free administration. Two positions entirely distinct, different.

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Haha, nobody bought your bull**** conspiracies during his administration so you just write off the entire government as a liberal conspiracy. I guess if you feel he's guilty of something that's all that really matters, right?

beefheart said:

Isn't it time to get over it, and stop making inane threads?

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Excuse Junkies are addicted to excuses.

They will always need their next injection...

JackA said:

This is an Alice in Wonderland version of:

DOJ received reports of Russian attempts to infiltrate the Trump campaign and meddle directly in the 2016 elections. The FBI began an investigation into those reports and found evidence of same. DOJ reported these findings to the WH. Obama called in Congressional leaders from both parties, informed them of the Russian activity and recommended informing the country. Republican leaders objected, and Obama yielded. The country was kept in the dark until after the election.

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What is this evidence you speak of inflitration. We have democrat after democrat legislators, law enforcement and intel agency heads ( Comey, Clapper, Brennan) saying when they left they had no evidence of inflitration into the Trump camp by Russia...and the 13 indicted Russians Rosensteinks himself said had no witting affiliation with Team Trump.

Whats your source on congressional leaders unwillingness to inform the public of meddling? Joe Biden? Mc connells office has a different take...besides which when did slenderman ever abide by Republican desires... had they ever come even close to that position? Slenderman kept congress outta the loop on so many things, besides he was a lame duck, he never cared.

Its Alice in Wonderland alright, its just that you came into this originally upside down.

As always zimmer's unlimited obsessive hate for President Obama has subverted reality … AGAIN!

If this was the first post like this I would have posted; ROFLMAO! Good one!

Unfortunately, from experience, we know he has convinced himself his nonsense is true. :roll:

zimmer said:

I did not know the NYT was a “partisan Republican source”.

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You don't know much of anything as far as I can tell. Why would you not understanding what you responded to be any different?

Fact: The Obama administration was evidenced by Republicans no less, to have not been directly connected to the IRS scandal. If you have a NYT article that claims he was, and can link it and quote it, please do. Otherwise, you're just being like all the other right wing CT conspiracy theorists.

RabidAlpaca said:

Haha, nobody bought your bull**** conspiracies during his administration so you just write off the entire government as a liberal conspiracy. I guess if you feel he's guilty of something that's all that really matters, right?

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Well, there you go again.

Funny isnt it, that my, how did you so cleverly put it, "bull**** conspiracies" have a ton more proof, not merely evidence of wrongdoing, laws broken, lying, spying, unmasking and leaking. This even without any special counsel investigations ( yet :lamo ) than do your bought and paid for ones against the current administration.

How do you square such idiocy? Oh yeah, youre a lefty, nothing is ever required to actually line up.:2wave:

Mueller will put this to bed, definitively, and permanently.

StuPedaso said:

As always zimmer's unlimited obsessive hate for President Obama has subverted reality … AGAIN!

If this was the first post like this I would have posted; ROFLMAO! Good one!

Unfortunately, from experience, we know he has convinced himself his nonsense is true. :roll:

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Instead of this kinda crap post, why not prove him wrong if he is so hilariously incorrect?

I ll tell you why, because what he says is true and youve no defense against unswerving truth...besides, so few on your side know how to debate even if, on the off chance, you were ever right.

late said:

Excuse Junkies are addicted to excuses.

They will always need their next injection...

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Dr late, cure thyself of said infliction.

Gaugingcatenate said:

Dr late, cure thyself of said affliction (for future reference, note the spelling).

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Facts have a well known liberal bias.

Btw, thanks for using the small case l in late. That is deliberate, and most automatically type Late, as if it was a name, and not a mystery. Thanks.)