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Whenever President Trump Uses The Word "Spy" It Is A Lie

Tanngrisnir said:
You can deny reality all you'd like, but simply offering up a nuisance settlement doesn't make you case.

The facts remain unaddressed by you.

I'll let you have the last word. It's clear that you need it and will take it.
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Concession accepted.
 
Mach said:
Maybe you forgot what you wrote:





Fact. You claimed the Obama administration abused power in the IRS scandal.
Fact. Your own citation evidenced Republicans concluding there was NO CONNECTION of the IRS scandal to the Obama administration.

It's as though you want a medal for winning, even though you lost!
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Like the Democrats, the Republicans are often wrong.

This is yet another example.

I could be wrong. Out of curiosity, do you accept all things said by any and all Republicans as the absolute Truth with a capital T?
 
code1211 said:
Like the Democrats, the Republicans are often wrong.
This is yet another example.
I could be wrong. Out of curiosity, do you accept all things said by any and all Republicans as the absolute Truth with a capital T?
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You have no evidence to back your accusation.
All evidence including a Republican led formal investigation found that it was wholly within the IRS.

Case closed code1211. Anything else is just wild conspiracy theory nonsense. Just admit it, Republicans made this false claim that Obama political directed the IRS for months and months. The ran with it, and they were ultimately found to be lying mother****ers who made the claim for political points. And ultimately it turned out to be false.

I can tell you with certainty I believe that instigation more than I believe you, considering you have no evidence whatsoever.
And since this thing you really believed about Obama that right wing media fed to you, is shown to be a lie, you'll take that to heart and examine all the other things right wing media tells you about Obama and about Trump, and be far more critical of them in the future, right? Like a competent, rational adult, right?
 
https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1000377279208402944

@BradMossEsq

Let me get this straight. The President staffed his campaign with 2 indicted tax frauds/money launderers (one pled guilty already), an agent of a foreign power (Page), and an unregistered foreign agent (Flynn), among other things.

And the scandal is that the FBI was concerned?

7:05 AM - 26 May 2018
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Rogue Valley said:
Lawrence O'Donnell: Whenever President Trump Uses The Word "Spy" It Is A Lie

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Sums it up nicely. Trump uses an absurd noun to advance his agenda of discrediting the Mueller investigation, and his flying monkey's latch onto it like it's gospel.

Trumps flying monkey brigade will of course be stopping in here, doing their flying monkey best to actualize their marching orders and parrot the master.
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NO it doesn't sum up anything.

It is time to stop the semantics over words. Whether one wants to use the word informant or the word spy or whether the informant/spy was a hero or a villain. It is not about him but rather the worthiness of the investigation.

What was the full evidence for the Obama intelligence agencies to open up a counterintelligence investigation surveilling several members of Trump's campaign and transition team?

Their stories keep changing and their timelines don't add up. There's been evidence of abuse in obtaining FISA warrants. There's evidence of those in leadership of Obama's intel perjuring themselves under oath before Congress. There's overwhelming evidence of those in the upper echelon who had a very blatant bias against Trump and were pro-Clinton.

The FBI/DOJ have done nothing but stonewall Congress in releasing documents that would show what evidence was used to initiate a counterintelligence investigation on the Trump campaign. They have failed to show justification for the leaking of classified information. They have failed to justify the huge number of unmaskings of Americans.


It's time for the DOJ/FBI and any other intel agency involved release documents to justify their actions and if it takes a second Special Counsel to get it done so be it.
 
Pedestrian said:
More bullcrap. I looked at that and their were NO 'Obama' IRS settlements with any 501c3 corp. Sure begins to look like more

of what you...want to believe. Give us a good link.
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I don't know what you want.

The people brought a suit complaining that they were targeted unfairly by the Obama IRS and the DOJ confirms they were.

The offending party, the US Govenrment has paid millions to settle the injury.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/4/irs-tea-party-targeting-35-million-settlement-appr/
 
Pedestrian said:
You mean like Plumbers, cash slush fund in the white house and over a dozen convicted with some jail time ? We'll see.
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Are you talking about a crime from the 70's that was, well, an actual, stated crime?

I think that one was already settled.
 
Pedestrian said:
So it's not ok that those attorneys got immunity over the emails but is ok that Oliver North got immunity clearly as a felon that the courts
over turned via the same way the right decries the lefties get off...on a technicality. This is now at least 40 years of repub hypocrisy.
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Oliver North?

How long ago are your reaching?

I was talking about the two presidential candidates in the most recent presidential campaign.

The DOJ blew kisses at one and is in the process of emptying the magazine on the other.

It's like referees in a basketball game. I don't care if they "call them close" or "let them play" as long as they call it the same way on both ends of the floor.

Our DOJ is not doing this, right now, today.
 
Pedestrian said:
1 out of 41 and it's Jeff Sessions. And in my judgement, these 501c3s were totally political and got clean away with it.
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All PAC are political.

THAT's the whole point. They are trying to put a political point of view out and the IRS under the auspices of the DOJ was trying to impede their exercise of 1st Amendment rights.

They were doing this based primarily on the name of the group. This on its face is discriminatory.
 
Pedestrian said:
Well how about the left.liberal 501c3s Obama's IRS went after ? That's ok is it ? If anyone believes these org. were formed
to promote social welfare...they'll believe anything.

Groups seeking tax exemption under federal law may engage in limited amounts of political activity, depending on the type of exemption sought.
That and the vagueness of the rules often make it difficult for IRS agents to tell which groups overstep and become ineligible for exemption.
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The small number of the liberal leaning groups swept up in the discriminatory program were also aggrieved and should sue.

The vast majority were conservative and were targeted.
 
Mach said:
You have no evidence to back your accusation.
All evidence including a Republican led formal investigation found that it was wholly within the IRS.

Case closed code1211. Anything else is just wild conspiracy theory nonsense. Just admit it, Republicans made this false claim that Obama political directed the IRS for months and months. The ran with it, and they were ultimately found to be lying mother****ers who made the claim for political points. And ultimately it turned out to be false.

I can tell you with certainty I believe that instigation more than I believe you, considering you have no evidence whatsoever.
And since this thing you really believed about Obama that right wing media fed to you, is shown to be a lie, you'll take that to heart and examine all the other things right wing media tells you about Obama and about Trump, and be far more critical of them in the future, right? Like a competent, rational adult, right?
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Are you relying on the various participants who claimed the Fifth and refused to testify AND were let off by the Obama DOJ to support your claims?

The IRS is a part of the Executive Branch. Please remind me. Where does the buck stop?
 
code1211 said:
Are you relying on the various participants who claimed the Fifth and refused to testify AND were let off by the Obama DOJ to support your claims?
The IRS is a part of the Executive Branch. Please remind me. Where does the buck stop?
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You have no evidence to back your accusation.
All evidence including a Republican led formal investigation found that it was wholly within the IRS.

You should accept the correction gracefully rather than all this flailing.
 
Mach said:
You have no evidence to back your accusation.
All evidence including a Republican led formal investigation found that it was wholly within the IRS.

You should accept the correction gracefully rather than all this flailing.
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I accept the fact that the IRS is a part of the Executive Branch.

Are you asserting that it is not?
 
code1211 said:
I accept the fact that the IRS is a part of the Executive Branch.
Are you asserting that it is not?
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You apparently STILL have no evidence to back your accusation.
All evidence including a Republican led formal investigation found that it was wholly within the IRS.
You should accept the correction gracefully rather than all this flailing.

If you can't admit that, why would anyone move on to new, equally pointless topics of your troll-design?
 
Mach said:
You apparently STILL have no evidence to back your accusation.
All evidence including a Republican led formal investigation found that it was wholly within the IRS.
You should accept the correction gracefully rather than all this flailing.

If you can't admit that, why would anyone move on to new, equally pointless topics of your troll-design?
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I already admitted what is supported by the facts in evidence: The IRS is a part of the Executive Branch.

Now, what is it that you are asserting? Are you saying it is not a part of the executive branch? That Obama did not run the executive branch? That there are no reporting lines from the IRS to the White House?

I don't know what it is that you are trying to support?

Either Obama's an incompetent boob or he's a corrupt and corrupting crook. There are no other choices.
 
code1211 said:
Now, what is it that you are asserting?s.
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Still flailing? How could you not know what I asserted, are you not reading? Or are you lying still?

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...trump-uses-word-spy-lie-8.html#post1068565276
code1211 said:
Face it. The same administration that abused its power in the IRS scandal abused its power in this scandal as well.
There is a pattern of behavior in this and much more.
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code1211s own citation said:
House Republican investigators found no connection to the Obama administration, according to a 2014 report.
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You claim the Obama administration abused power in the IRS scandal.
You have been proven wrong by your own citation.

That is my assertion. If you need a refresher, I'd be more than happy to continue this all year.
 
Mach said:
Still flailing? How could you not know what I asserted, are you not reading? Or are you lying still?

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...trump-uses-word-spy-lie-8.html#post1068565276



You claim the Obama administration abused power in the IRS scandal.
You have been proven wrong by your own citation.

That is my assertion. If you need a refresher, I'd be more than happy to continue this all year.
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Don't you just hate it when a poster edits your post for no reason other than to change the meaning and then presents it as if no edit was made?
 
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