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Kim wants to know if the White House will reconsider

In fact Pence should shut his big stupid mouth on matters of diplomacy too. Before the 24/7's the task of the VP was to ribbon cut new attractions at Disney World and that is about where his comments should begin and end. That is another guy that needs to keep his big stupid mouth shut. Pompeo is the Sec of State and therefore the diplomatic voice of the Executive. The rest of them need to shut up for a bit.
 
DaveFagan said:
Like Germany and Japan, we have occupied S. Korea since WWII. The excuse for occupation has been a belligerent N. Korea, right or wrong. The USA wants to stay there and needs a belligerent N. Korea for an excuse. If Koreans ever have a choice in the matter, they will ask us to leave.
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A belligerent North Korea is a very real thing. Considering North Korea invaded and occupied almost all of South Korea in the past, has not come to peace with South Korea, has bombarded South Korean Islands, infiltrated their border, kidnapped their people and currently have thousands of artillery tubes aimed at Seoul....

But, hey, I hope this dose of realty does not upset you.
 
jimbo said:
When it comes to negotiating, President Trump wrote the book. Little Kimmie's idea of negotiating is to feed naysayers to the dogs. My money is on President Trump.
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LOL, that is why he went bankrupt 6 times, has been sued over 3500 times for filing to pay his bills, and settles out of court when he is losing. I will grant you that putting others in a place where their credit is at risk, or their living, is all part of his "strategy", however, the guys is a thief, and a liar, and No. Korea with the help of China is eating his dinner for him.
 
Old Trapper said:
LOL, that is why he went bankrupt 6 times, has been sued over 3500 times for filing to pay his bills, and settles out of court when he is losing. I will grant you that putting others in a place where their credit is at risk, or their living, is all part of his "strategy", however, the guys is a thief, and a liar, and No. Korea with the help of China is eating his dinner for him.
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He didn't go bankrupt 5 times. He went bankrupt once. Out of a thousand business starts. He reorged 4 other times. Reorg in itself is a negotiating tactic.

Suing is a negotiating tactic. As is settling.

So far I haven't seen NoKo or China eating much of anything, except possibly crow.

NoKo is indicating a willingness to go back to the drawing board. Nearly to the point of asking purty please.

I think both are realizing the new sheriff is not going to deliver pallet loads of money as a good faith gesture.
 
jimbo said:
When it comes to negotiating, President Trump wrote the book. Little Kimmie's idea of negotiating is to feed naysayers to the dogs. My money is on President Trump.
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Are you kidding me? Trump is a laughable, running joke as a deal maker. One of the worst in modern history.

The man is a walking disaster in deal making, but it takes intellectual honesty to actually grasp that fact.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/edit...predicted.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.bb2a6d9fcd30

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/edit...predicted.html
 
OlNate said:
Because they would no longer be needed for protection. If they stay uninvited, they are occupiers, bringing condemnation from the world.

But hey, keep saying yay, Trump, it's exactly what China is hoping for. The game could already be over, you guys just haven't gotten the memo yet...hehe...
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We still maintain bases in Germany and did so while they were reunifying. Why woukd there be condemnation from the world if we stayed in Korea, assuming the Koreans would want us to stay?
 
Barnacle said:
I think more because China told Kim what to say/do ... but it didn't quite pan out the way they were hoping for. (grin)
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I think that's it too. The world is so used to dealing with timid U.S. Presidents who easily acquiesce and/or be conciliatory to other national leaders be they friend or foe, they are finding out what worked with other American leaders doesn't work with this one. And they know they need us a lot more than we need them.

President Trump is the only President we have had for a very long time now who says he will put America's interests first and has made that stick regardless of the complaints and wailing and outrage and hand wringing and ridiculous accusations from those same leaders as well as the snowflakes, numbnuts, and permanent political class here at home.

The world has long forgotten what a peace loving but fearless American leader looks like. Somebody who can't be bamboozled into bad deal in the interest of 'harmony'. Somebody who will walk away from the table rather than enter into what he knows is a trap or will result in a bad deal. Trump simply isn't like everybody else. And so far that is yielding some very good things.
 
Moon said:
We still maintain bases in Germany and did so while they were reunifying. Why woukd there be condemnation from the world if we stayed in Korea, assuming the Koreans would want us to stay?
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There wouldn't be...assuming the Koreans would want you to stay. :) But one can certainly look at the way things are shaping up, and make a bet that they won't. If you were Korea, would you rather have a foreign country protecting you from the people who are hostile to that foreign country that surround you, or would you rather be at peace with your neighbors, and say goodbye to the foreign country? Especially when you do the majority of your trade with your neighbors?

And, if you were one of those neighbors, trying to make nice, and painting a picture of the possible prosperity in the region if they all start working together, wouldn't you make getting that foreign country, who you aren't exactly good friends with, out of Korea a part of the deal?

Why would South Korea remain in the crosshairs of North Korea, and by extension China, if it were more profitable to say goodbye to America, especially now when the world is losing patience with the states?
 
jimbo said:
He didn't go bankrupt 5 times. He went bankrupt once. Out of a thousand business starts. He reorged 4 other times. Reorg in itself is a negotiating tactic.

Suing is a negotiating tactic. As is settling.

So far I haven't seen NoKo or China eating much of anything, except possibly crow.

NoKo is indicating a willingness to go back to the drawing board. Nearly to the point of asking purty please.

I think both are realizing the new sheriff is not going to deliver pallet loads of money as a good faith gesture.
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Oh, dear. It appears you've bought in the sucker-bait that Donnie Twump depends on you believing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...tcy-four-or-six-times/?utm_term=.6aff9e733399
 
OlNate said:
There wouldn't be...assuming the Koreans would want you to stay. :) But one can certainly look at the way things are shaping up, and make a bet that they won't. If you were Korea, would you rather have a foreign country protecting you from the people who are hostile to that foreign country that surround you, or would you rather be at peace with your neighbors, and say goodbye to the foreign country? Especially when you do the majority of your trade with your neighbors?

And, if you were one of those neighbors, trying to make nice, and painting a picture of the possible prosperity in the region if they all start working together, wouldn't you make getting that foreign country, who you aren't exactly good friends with, out of Korea a part of the deal?

Why would South Korea remain in the crosshairs of North Korea, and by extension China, if it were more profitable to say goodbye to America, especially now when the world is losing patience with the states?
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North Korea has been a puppet of China for a long time. I guess we'll have to see who a reunified Korea would rather be more aligned with; their long time ally and trading partner, or the country who aided the north in its decades long belligerence and hostility.
 
Moon said:
North Korea has been a puppet of China for a long time. I guess we'll have to see who a reunified Korea would rather be more aligned with; their long time ally and trading partner, or the country who aided the north in its decades long belligerence and hostility.
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That same country is their biggest trading partner, man... They were able to work something out. At the end of the day, given the volatile nature of your current leader, it will be money that talks....at least, that's my best guess.
 
jimbo said:
He didn't go bankrupt 5 times. He went bankrupt once. Out of a thousand business starts. He reorged 4 other times. Reorg in itself is a negotiating tactic.
Not when you use the Courts to negotiate a settlement that reneges on the original agreement. That, in the minds of ethical persons, is fraud. And he did go bankrupt 6 times. His daddy bailed him out the first time, and the Saudi's bailed him out twice.

Suing is a negotiating tactic. As is settling.
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Not when you force the other party to sue by not paying the agreed to contract fee. That is a "deadbeat", and a reason why no American bank will lend to him.

So far I haven't seen NoKo or China eating much of anything, except possibly crow.

NoKo is indicating a willingness to go back to the drawing board. Nearly to the point of asking purty please.
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Being the mindless Trumpkin you obviously are I can see why you can't see reality.

I think both are realizing the new sheriff is not going to deliver pallet loads of money as a good faith gesture.
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Yeah. Guess we didn't steal any money from them that had to be returned.
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OlNate said:
That same country is their biggest trading partner, man... They were able to work something out. At the end of the day, given the volatile nature of your current leader, it will be money that talks....at least, that's my best guess.
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Like I said, we'll have to see what happens.
 
Old Trapper said:
jimbo said:
He didn't go bankrupt 5 times. He went bankrupt once. Out of a thousand business starts. He reorged 4 other times. Reorg in itself is a negotiating tactic.
Not when you use the Courts to negotiate a settlement that reneges on the original agreement. That, in the minds of ethical persons, is fraud. And he did go bankrupt 6 times. His daddy bailed him out the first time, and the Saudi's bailed him out twice.



Not when you force the other party to sue by not paying the agreed to contract fee. That is a "deadbeat", and a reason why no American bank will lend to him.



Being the mindless Trumpkin you obviously are I can see why you can't see reality.



Yeah. Guess we didn't steal any money from them that had to be returned.
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Yes it is.

Yes it is.

Mindless Trumpkin I'm not. I see Trump as a means to what I consider a desirable end.

Whether we stole it or not is debatable.
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jimbo said:
Old Trapper said:
jimbo said:
Yes it is.

Yes it is.
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What would you call it if I hired you to paint my house, and then did not pay you forcing you to take me to court to get 80% of the agreed upon amount of money?


Mindless Trumpkin I'm not. I see Trump as a means to what I consider a desirable end.
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More income inequality, more national debt, more military expansion, etc. is a desirable end? Only to the mindless.

Whether we stole it or not is debatable.
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Not debatable at all. 40 years without returning it is theft. And your trying to use it as a suspicious undertaking is the act of the mindless.
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