• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Stahl: Trump attacks the press to shield himself from criticism

Rogue Valley

Lead or get out of the way
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
94,136
Reaction score
82,401
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Stahl: Trump attacks the press to shield himself from criticism

3A5996C300000578-3933036-image-a-2_1479127566301.jpg

Emmy Award winning journalist Leslie Stahl interviews the newly elected Donald Trump

5/24/18

One of the foremost broadcast journalists in the country said this week that President Donald Trump admitted to her that his relentless attacks on the press was a strategy to discredit reporters and news media organizations to shield himself from negative coverage. Lesley Stahl, the 13-time Emmy award-winning “60 Minutes” correspondent whose work has spanned decades, made the disclosure Monday during an interview with Judy Woodruff of “PBS NewsHour” at a journalism award presentation in New York. At the Deadline Club Awards presentation, Woodruff asked Stahl about her November 2016 interview with Trump – his first after the election victory. Stahl described going to meet with him at Trump Tower in the months before the interview, along with one of her bosses, whom she did not name. After Trump began to unload on the news media, she said, she asked him whether he planned to stop attacking the press, which was a hallmark of his campaign. “I said, you know that is getting tired, why are you doing this – you’re doing it over and over and it’s boring,” Stahl said. “He said you know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all, so when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you.” Stahl’s striking anecdote fell into a silent moment in the room. Woodruff shook her head. “He said that,” Stahl said, raising her eyebrows. “So put that in your head for a minute.”

The White House did not respond to a request for comment. Trump’s belligerence toward the news media, which he lambastes as “fake news,” and journalists, whom he often calls “dishonest,” have continued to be an integral part of his presidency, part of a habit of attacking critics and other institutions that act as potential checks on his power.

There you have it. Trumps rabid-dog attacks on the media are intentional, premeditated, and nothing more than a sleazy tactic to inoculate himself from criticism and accountability.
 
All presidents do that. But...I know...it's wrong, now because...Truuuuuuump!!!
 
All presidents do that. But...I know...it's wrong, now because...Truuuuuuump!!!

He has called for journalists to be jailed and threatens lawsuits. That isn't normal politics.
 
He has called for journalists to be jailed and threatens lawsuits. That isn't normal politics.

John Adams and Abraham Lincoln actually jailed journalists. Are they evil, too?

Obama had multiple journalists criminally investigated. Was that normal?

Is this where you apply a double standard?
 
John Adams and Abraham Lincoln actually jailed journalists. Are they evil, too?

Obama had multiple journalists criminally investigated. Was that normal?

Is this where you apply a double standard?

Trump has called the media the enemies of the American people. Stalin said that too. Trump has said things about journalists and media far beyond the norm. You're just making excuses because you really don't care about freedom of speech, otherwise you would see what is going on for yourself.
 
This was obvious from the get go. It all started with Fox News after the first GOP debate. Yes, the same Fox News which now kisses Trump's ass, was the first time Trump ever complained about "media bias". He attacks the media on twitter, or in person to his followers to make himself more sympathetic to his base. Trump may not be the smartest man alive, but he was smart enough to use the media to help him win the GOP nomination and presidency. The constant free air time he had compared to other GOP candidates made the entire GOP primaries about him. Then, he represented himself as "the outsider", and how the media (even including Fox News) was attacking him so that their chosen candidate would win. Now, since he is officially a GOP president, and Fox does nothing but worship himself now, he praises them, while attacking any other media source as "fake news" (unless it's favorable to him).
 
All presidents do that. But...I know...it's wrong, now because...Truuuuuuump!!!


Name one president that asserted, on national TV, that the press is "the enemy of the people".
 
Name one president that asserted, on national TV, that the press is "the enemy of the people".

Because so many presidents have been on TV :roll:

Heres a quote for you, "newspapers are full of treasonous expression" guess which administration this came from? Heres a hint the president also jailed reporters and shut down newspapers he didnt like
 
Because so many presidents have been on TV :roll:

Heres a quote for you, "newspapers are full of treasonous expression" guess which administration this came from? Heres a hint the president also jailed reporters and shut down newspapers he didnt like


"newspapers are full of treasonous expression", was a quote by Union General Ambrose Burnside during the civil war.

The President who jailed reporters was Lincoln.

Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, and Trump, have thus far been on TV.
 
Journalists? These are cases of espionage. Not the same thing as declaring on national TV 'the press is the enemy of the people", and giving fawning approval of Putin, who has murdered journalists, noting that Trump uses a hackable cell phone and has given state secrets to Duterte.

Yeah, we know there's a double standard.
 
Name one president that asserted, on national TV, that the press is "the enemy of the people".

Don't hurt yourself moving that goalpost. Lift with your knees.
 
But, when Obama went after the media, you said nothing.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thom...kers-paved-the-way-for-reality-winners-arrest

Hypocritical much?

What Obama did in that regard was disappointing indeed, but this is not the same thing. If Trump were shutting down the media because they were leaking information that's one thing, but this is him openly admitting he does it to not get bad press which is completely different. So essentially it's what some of suspected all along which is that he only wants positive coverage and that's not reporting, it's propaganda.
 
Stahl: Trump attacks the press to shield himself from criticism

3A5996C300000578-3933036-image-a-2_1479127566301.jpg

Emmy Award winning journalist Leslie Stahl interviews the newly elected Donald Trump



There you have it. Trumps rabid-dog attacks on the media are intentional, premeditated, and nothing more than a sleazy tactic to inoculate himself from criticism and accountability.

Why not do it? He has millions of Americans falling for it, and repeating it, and tinkling their undies 24/7 because of how mean the mean old press is to their hero. I have to give Trump credit. I haven't seen such master manipulation since Jonestown.
 
Stahl: Trump attacks the press to shield himself from criticism

3A5996C300000578-3933036-image-a-2_1479127566301.jpg

Emmy Award winning journalist Leslie Stahl interviews the newly elected Donald Trump



There you have it. Trumps rabid-dog attacks on the media are intentional, premeditated, and nothing more than a sleazy tactic to inoculate himself from criticism and accountability.

It's funny how anti-Trumpers go from saying Trump has no vision or strategy one day to attacking him for his vision and strategy the next. Yes, this is a strategy for President Trump, and it's a good one. Trump did not create the lack of credibility for the media, they discredited themselves. So when Trump points out when they are wrong, people believe him. And it's not only Trump attacking the media for their terrible coverage, Elon Musk is too. And others like Sam Harris, Steven Pinker, and Scott Adams are all backing and retweeting Elon Musk, too. The sleazy #FakeNews has destroyed their own credibility.
 
He has called for journalists to be jailed and threatens lawsuits. That isn't normal politics.

Nobody hired now President Trump because they were satisfied with normal politics.
 
"newspapers are full of treasonous expression", was a quote by Union General Ambrose Burnside during the civil war.

The President who jailed reporters was Lincoln.

Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, and Trump, have thus far been on TV.

There's a long history of President's on both sides of the aisle attacking the media: http://www.pewresearch.org/2008/10/10/blaming-the-messenger-a-continuum-of-press-condemnation/
 
Trump has called the media the enemies of the American people. Stalin said that too. Trump has said things about journalists and media far beyond the norm. You're just making excuses because you really don't care about freedom of speech, otherwise you would see what is going on for yourself.

Nobody hired now President Trump because they were satisfied with the norm.

The press, and Presidents both enjoy freedom of speech. There is no freedom to be heard.
 
Don't hurt yourself moving that goalpost. Lift with your knees.

No, a specious attempt is being made to drag Obama down to Trump's level. It's a bogus comparison, and attempting to drag Obama down does not lift Trump up.

You're a tad confused on the lift issue.
 
There's a long history of President's on both sides of the aisle attacking the media: Blaming the Messenger: A Continuum of Press Condemnation | Pew Research Center


I don't you understand the important distinction I'm making here. Most presidents whined about reportage of the press, true...

But only one called the media "the enemy of the people" on a national forum which are the words of dictators. (Nixon, in private, said that the press was "the enemy", as in his enemy, but that's a light year distinction from "the enemy of the people", and note he said this in private never assuming that the tapes would become public. Many had an adversarial relationship with the press, and though they often whined about reportage, they understood that America needs a vigorous and free press. In Trump's mind, the only fair press is press that is favorable to him. Not only did Trump do this, he did it repeatedly, he, during rallies, directed his audience to sneer at the press pool. He is the only president to do this. He is only president, who, as a strategy, attempt to get the public to hate the president for the sole purpose of discrediting them.


That is the difference between being a leader enduring the trials and tribulations of being a politician and being a wannabe dictator.

The difference is significant.
 
I don't you understand the important distinction I'm making here. Most presidents whined about reportage of the press, true...

But only one called the media "the enemy of the people" on a national forum which are the words of dictators. (Nixon, in private, said that the press was "the enemy", as in his enemy, but that's a light year distinction from "the enemy of the people", and note he said this in private never assuming that the tapes would become public. Many had an adversarial relationship with the press, and though they often whined about reportage, they understood that America needs a vigorous and free press. In Trump's mind, the only fair press is press that is favorable to him. Not only did Trump do this, he did it repeatedly, he, during rallies, directed his audience to sneer at the press pool. He is the only president to do this. He is only president, who, as a strategy, attempt to get the public to hate the president for the sole purpose of discrediting them.


That is the difference between being a leader enduring the trials and tribulations of being a politician and being a wannabe dictator.

The difference is significant.

So attacking the press is fine, as long as Presidents don't use whatever phrase you choose you don't like on any given day, usually decided after the statement was made. What a surprise, you chose something the current President, who you don't like, said as unacceptable. The press does operate as an enemy to the people when they lie out of hatred and attack individuals while hiding behind and weaponize laws that protect the press. The press has driven many people to suicide when they falsely attacked those people without proper evidence. That is being an enemy to the people. For the journalists who are actually doing a decent job, they are not. Everybody knows what the President was talking about who can remain even the mildestly objective. Give it up already, and stop playing your semantical word games. These games convince nobody.
 
So attacking the press is fine, as long as Presidents don't use whatever phrase you choose you don't like on any given day, usually decided after the statement was made. What a surprise, you chose something the current President, who you don't like, said as unacceptable. The press does operate as an enemy to the people when they lie out of hatred and attack individuals while hiding behind and weaponize laws that protect the press. The press has driven many people to suicide when they falsely attacked those people without proper evidence. That is being an enemy to the people. For the journalists who are actually doing a decent job, they are not. Everybody knows what the President was talking about who can remain even the mildestly objective. Give it up already, and stop playing your semantical word games. These games convince nobody.



"The press is the enemy of the people", repeated over and over and over again, should be of concern to anyone who shares American values and that of the 1st amendment. That is above and beyond "a phrase I don't like".


There is no greater barrier to fascism than a free press, whether they get the stories right or not. All modern presidents, save the current one, understand this. Trump has even advocated changing the libel and slander laws to an advantage that would be his, while being oblivious to the fact he libels and slanders others on a daily basis, let alone his fawning over de facto dictators Duterte, Erdoğan, and Putin.


WTFU and shed the Trump kneepads and swallow the bitter pill of reality that is Trump, a fabian fascist in the making.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom