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Stop waiting for the constitutional crisis — it’s here

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Stop waiting for the constitutional crisis — it’s here

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Vladimir Putin. Donald Trumps pedagogue.

5/22/18

WASHINGTON — Stop waiting for the constitutional crisis that President Trump is sure to provoke. It’s here. On Sunday, via Twitter, Trump demanded that the Justice Department concoct a transparently political investigation, with the aim of smearing veteran professionals at Justice and the FBI and also throwing mud at the previous administration. Trump’s only rational goal is casting doubt on the probe by special counsel Robert Mueller, which appears to be closing in. Trump’s power play is a gross misuse of his presidential authority and a dangerous departure from long-standing norms. Strongmen such as Russia’s Vladimir Putin use their justice systems to punish enemies and deflect attention from their own crimes. Presidents of the United States do not — or did not, until Sunday’s tweet: “I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes — and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!” Rather than push back and defend the rule of law, Justice tried to mollify the president by at least appearing to give him what he wants. The Republican leadership in Congress has been silent as a mouse. This is how uncrossable lines are crossed.

Now that the Mueller probe has bored into Trump’s inner circle — and federal authorities have raided the homes and office of his personal attorney, Michael Cohen — the president appears to be in a panic. The question is whether he sees this “spy” nonsense as a way to discredit Mueller’s eventual findings, or as a pretext for trying to end the investigation with a bloody purge akin to Richard Nixon’s “Saturday Night Massacre.” The Justice Department answered Trump’s tweeted demand by announcing that an existing investigation by the Justice Department’s inspector general will now “include determining whether there was any impropriety or political motivation” by the FBI. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein may hope that is enough to avoid a showdown. I fear he is wrong. None of this is normal or acceptable. One of the bedrock principles of our system of government is that no one is above the law, not even the president. But a gutless Congress has refused, so far, to protect this sacred inheritance. Trump is determined to use the Justice Department and the FBI to punish those he sees as political enemies. This is a crisis, and it will get worse.

Either Rod Rosenstein coyly played Trump yesterday, or he folded like an Evangelical tent under Trump's extortion demands.

Time will tell, America. Time will tell.

Related: Trump’s Assault on American Governance Just Crossed a Threshold
 
Trump has the right to demand an investigation

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Stop waiting for the constitutional crisis — it’s here

2018-03-23T162929Z_1_LYNXMPEE2M1S2-OCATP_RTROPTP_2_CNEWS-US-RUSSIA-ARMS-PUTIN-NAMES.JPG

Vladimir Putin. Donald Trumps pedagogue.



Either Rod Rosenstein coyly played Trump yesterday, or he folded like an Evangelical tent under Trump's extortion demands.

Time will tell, America. Time will tell.

Related: Trump’s Assault on American Governance Just Crossed a Threshold

I listen to a podcast from Ireland. They predicted Trump would win, and they also predicted he will try to seize power.
 
Trump has the right to demand an investigation

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He wants to shut down his own investigation. If he did a Saturday Night Massacre and weaponized the DOJ against his political opponents, you people would say it's within his rights.
 
He wants to shut down his own investigation. If he did a Saturday Night Massacre and weaponized the DOJ against his political opponents, you people would say it's within his rights.



That is the general outlook of most informed observers in Canada. He will win a second term and he will then make himself president for life on the basis of an international threat to the nation.

While he's been bitching about the investigation he's been busy rigging the already rigged electoral process
 
Was it a constitutional crisis when Obama ordered investigations?

The bottom line in all of this is, if the kooker leftists would have shut up and sit down a long time ago, graciously accept their loss, we wouldn't be enduring another one of their f/ ups.

They have been sniveling like little bitches since DJT announced he was running.
 
Stop waiting for the constitutional crisis — it’s here

2018-03-23T162929Z_1_LYNXMPEE2M1S2-OCATP_RTROPTP_2_CNEWS-US-RUSSIA-ARMS-PUTIN-NAMES.JPG

Vladimir Putin. Donald Trumps pedagogue.



Either Rod Rosenstein coyly played Trump yesterday, or he folded like an Evangelical tent under Trump's extortion demands.

Time will tell, America. Time will tell.

Related: Trump’s Assault on American Governance Just Crossed a Threshold

We're all boiling frogs now.

I don't think Rosenstein folded, exactly. I think he did as much as he believed he needed to do to stave off Trump. The only thing is that can't work for long. Even if he fools Trump today, it can't work for two very obvious reasons: 1)Someone else will easily see through Rosenstein's ruse and will just tell trump, and 2)Trump will see that the investigation isn't winding down as a result of his obstruction and he'll just throw the next monkey wrench into the investigation.

But yeah, we're in full Banana Republic territory now.
 
The bottom line in all of this is, if the kooker leftists would have shut up and sit down a long time ago, graciously accept their loss, we wouldn't be enduring another one of their f/ ups.

They have been sniveling like little bitches since DJT announced he was running.

That was not going to happen and Trump himself assured it wasn't because of his big mouth.
 
We're all boiling frogs now.

I don't think Rosenstein folded, exactly. I think he did as much as he believed he needed to do to stave off Trump. The only thing is that can't work for long. Even if he fools Trump today, it can't work for two very obvious reasons: 1)Someone else will easily see through Rosenstein's ruse and will just tell trump, and 2)Trump will see that the investigation isn't winding down as a result of his obstruction and he'll just throw the next monkey wrench into the investigation.

But yeah, we're in full Banana Republic territory now.

And more proof of that has surfaced.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/22/fbi-informant-meeting-doj-gop-democrats-white-house-603275
 
He ordered the intelligence community to investigate the actions of a foriegn power. You think thats the same as asking the justice dept to investigate something there’s no proof occured?

Which they believed to be linked to the Trump Campaign and he waited until after the election; the one where Clinton lost. Why weren't you screaming about a constitutional crisis, then?
 
The bottom line in all of this is, if the kooker leftists would have shut up and sit down a long time ago, graciously accept their loss, we wouldn't be enduring another one of their f/ ups.

They have been sniveling like little bitches since DJT announced he was running.

I'm glad they didn't, actually. ;)
 
The bottom line in all of this is, if the kooker leftists would have shut up and sit down a long time ago, graciously accept their loss, we wouldn't be enduring another one of their f/ ups.

They have been sniveling like little bitches since DJT announced he was running.

I want to ask you to provide a sober mental picture that describes an acceptable response from said leftists that you would find reasonable.
Be specific and please provide a sort of sketch if you would. Provide examples.
What does an acceptable response from leftists look like in your mind?
 
That is the general outlook of most informed observers in Canada. He will win a second term and he will then make himself president for life on the basis of an international threat to the nation.

While he's been bitching about the investigation he's been busy rigging the already rigged electoral process

Just goes to show that there are no 'informed observers in Canada.'
 
I want to ask you to provide a sober mental picture that describes an acceptable response from said leftists that you would find reasonable.
Be specific and please provide a sort of sketch if you would. Provide examples.
What does an acceptable response from leftists look like in your mind?

Thats actually a good question since I dont think weve seen a rational acceptable response from anyone on the left since November of 2016
 
Stop waiting for the constitutional crisis — it’s here

2018-03-23T162929Z_1_LYNXMPEE2M1S2-OCATP_RTROPTP_2_CNEWS-US-RUSSIA-ARMS-PUTIN-NAMES.JPG

Vladimir Putin. Donald Trumps pedagogue.



Either Rod Rosenstein coyly played Trump yesterday, or he folded like an Evangelical tent under Trump's extortion demands.

Time will tell, America. Time will tell.

Related: Trump’s Assault on American Governance Just Crossed a Threshold

Its not a crisis to look into the behavior of government investigators, the crisis will be if they find you fear they might find.
 
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