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The FBI conspiring against Trump makes no sense.

veritas1 said:
None of which have anything to do with either collusion or Trump.
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You're being dishonest. If they got plea deals it's because they gave Mueller something related to Trump or the Russians. Especially someone as close to Trump as Flynn.
 
veritas1 said:
I don't need an excuse. The liberal agenda was to get Trump from day one. That's all this is about. They can dress it up in any national security BS they want to. Everyone knows what's going on. There are frothing Dem members of the House talking about impeachment. Really? Let's see your EVIDENCE of impeachable acts by Trump. Lay it on the table or shut up. This is why they will fail to win back the House. I hope they keep their Trump obsession going. It's a recipe for failure.
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Trump brought this all on himself. If Trump and his cohorts and did not lie about their contacts with the Russian Govt. and instead reported them as they were asked to do by the FBI none of this would have been needed. The fact is they did not and to this day have not truthfully explained why they hid those contacts and what they were about. That is the reason that they are being investigated and could quite possibly be a good reason for Trump to be impeached. Mueller and the FBI are the ones that will have the evidence you mentioned and that is why you are attacking them daily. If you believed Trump was really innocent you would be calling for Mueller and the FBI to be left alone. I have no alternative but to think you know that he is guilty and wish to protect him at all costs. and those cost include an attempt to discredit and destroy our most important institutions. What a heavy price to pay for your partisanship.
 
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SonOfDaedalus said:
You're being dishonest. If they got plea deals it's because they gave Mueller something related to Trump or the Russians. Especially someone as close to Trump as Flynn.
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Yea, says who? It's very easy for Mueller to threaten Flynn or anyone in all sorts of ways so that they cave and agree to cooperate even if they have nothing to cooperate with. That situation is also fraught with danger because it can escalate from revealing evidence to creating it in order to satisfy those who hold your freedom in their hands. I doubt either Flynn or Manafort or anybody else has a damn thing having to do with collusion.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump brought this all on himself. If Trump and his cohorts and did not lie about their contacts with the Russian Govt. and instead reported them as they were asked to do by the FBI none of this would have been needed. The fact is they did not and to this day have not truthfully explained why they hid those contacts and what they were about. That is the reason that they are being investigated and could quite possibly be a good reason for Trump to be impeached. Mueller and the FBI are the ones that will have the evidence you mentioned and that is why you are attacking them daily. If you believed Trump was really innocent you would be calling for Mueller and the FBI to be left alone. I have no alternative but to think you know that he is guilty and wish to protect him at all costs. and those cost include an attempt to discredit and destroy our most important institutions.
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No, I'm calling for Mueller to spit it out. Stop dicking around with Cohen and Stormy Daniels and Russian companies having nothing to do with anything and show us what you have on Trump-Russia collusion specifically. Let's see some concrete evidence, not speculation and dot connecting by Trump haters.

I also haven't been attacking Mueller so much as the FBI and the people who saw fit to launch this thing on next to no evidence. Flynn meeting with the Russian ambassador as part of preparation to assume his position, is not evidence. Sessions meeting the Russian ambassador on Capitol Hill as part of a bi-partisan sponsored event, is not evidence. A low level flunky running his mouth after he's drunk is not evidence. If there really was collusion, do you think some nobody four levels down would know all about it? No. The fact is that the stuff we've heard about amounts to nothing. Democrats better hope that Mueller has a really big cat in his bag or they are going to look even more petty and petulant than they have already.
 
veritas1 said:
No, I'm calling for Mueller to spit it out. Stop dicking around with Cohen and Stormy Daniels and Russian companies having nothing to do with anything and show us what you have on Trump-Russia collusion specifically. Let's see some concrete evidence, not speculation and dot connecting by Trump haters.

I also haven't been attacking Mueller so much as the FBI and the people who saw fit to launch this thing on next to no evidence. Flynn meeting with the Russian ambassador as part of preparation to assume his position, is not evidence. Sessions meeting the Russian ambassador on Capitol Hill as part of a bi-partisan sponsored event, is not evidence. A low level flunky running his mouth after he's drunk is not evidence. If there really was collusion, do you think some nobody four levels down would know all about it? No. The fact is that the stuff we've heard about amounts to nothing. Democrats better hope that Mueller has a really big cat in his bag or they are going to look even more petty and petulant than they have already.
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LOL And again if Trump was not "dicking around" we wouldn't even know who Stormy Daniels is. Perhaps he should have kept his dick in his pants. Don't you think? Mueller has nothing to do with the Stormy case anyway. Cohen though is another story, his involvement with Russia is certainly of interest to Mueller. Stop worrying what Democrats think and start being a man who supports the rule of law over partisan gains. Stop assuming that because Mueller is silent it means he has nothing too. Let him do his job without interference so that no matter what the outcome it will be a win for America and it's institutions. I will say though that Trump surely knows whether he should be worried about what Mueller is finding out and from his response to this investigation it does not look too good for him. Oh and here is a pic of that "nobody"(who's title was foreign policy advisor) and a bunch of other "nobodies" having a meeting.

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iguanaman said:
LOL And again if Trump was not "dicking around" we wouldn't even know who Stormy Daniels is. Perhaps he should have kept his dick in his pants. Don't you think? Mueller has nothing to do with the Stormy case anyway. Cohen though is another story, his involvement with Russia is certainly of interest to Mueller. Stop worrying what Democrats think and start being a man who supports the rule of law over partisan gains. Stop assuming that because Mueller is silent it means he has nothing too. Let him do his job without interference so that no matter what the outcome it will be a win for America and it's institutions. I will say though that Trump surely knows whether he should be worried about what Mueller is finding out and from his response to this investigation it does not look too good for him. Oh and here is a pic of that "nobody"(who's title was foreign policy advisor) and a bunch of other "nobodies" having a meeting.
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Stormy Daniels is even less relevant than Lewinsky was to Clinton. Neither amounts to anything. As for Cohen, so far the only person who would seem to be in any trouble, if indeed there is trouble, is Cohen. As for Mueller I don't know what he has but I don't get the impression it's anything significant. If there was some blockbuster case against Trump, it doesn't seem like it should take this long to find and present it. I also have grave doubts that the investigation, if it found something significant, could be kept leak free with the way everything leaks in DC.

As for Papadapolous, he was a foreign policy geek advising the campaign. Again. why would he be privy to anything as sensitive as collusion? Plus, we only have what somebody else says he said. IOW, hearsay. I hope Mueller hasn't gotten that desperate.
 
veritas1 said:
Stormy Daniels is even less relevant than Lewinsky was to Clinton. Neither amounts to anything. As for Cohen, so far the only person who would seem to be in any trouble, if indeed there is trouble, is Cohen. As for Mueller I don't know what he has but I don't get the impression it's anything significant. If there was some blockbuster case against Trump, it doesn't seem like it should take this long to find and present it. I also have grave doubts that the investigation, if it found something significant, could be kept leak free with the way everything leaks in DC.

As for Papadapolous, he was a foreign policy geek advising the campaign. Again. why would he be privy to anything as sensitive as collusion? Plus, we only have what somebody else says he said. IOW, hearsay. I hope Mueller hasn't gotten that desperate.
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So Cohen , who has been Trumps personal lawyer for decades and basically his only client has no connection to Trump? How do you figure that?
 
veritas1 said:
Stormy Daniels is even less relevant than Lewinsky was to Clinton. Neither amounts to anything. As for Cohen, so far the only person who would seem to be in any trouble, if indeed there is trouble, is Cohen. As for Mueller I don't know what he has but I don't get the impression it's anything significant. If there was some blockbuster case against Trump, it doesn't seem like it should take this long to find and present it. I also have grave doubts that the investigation, if it found something significant, could be kept leak free with the way everything leaks in DC.

As for Papadapolous, he was a foreign policy geek advising the campaign. Again. why would he be privy to anything as sensitive as collusion? Plus, we only have what somebody else says he said. IOW, hearsay. I hope Mueller hasn't gotten that desperate.
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Mueller’s investigation is using methods that worked to bring down mafia bosses like joe Gotti: start with the small fish and then get them to flip on the larger fish.

Sam Clovis, Robert gates, carter page, Papadopolous, Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen: these are the small fry who are nabbed and then are pressured to turn on the bigger fish: as of now Paul Manafort. But roger stone is also the next potential target. And the biggest fish? Jared Kushner, Donald trump jr. And possibly Donald trump himself

I don’t know what your expectations are based on but this is an investigation into white-collar crimes: illiegal financial transactions, slush funds, illicit sources of money, crooked buissness dealings and a lot of other types of crimes that require following long paper trails and collaborating witnesses.
 
veritas1 said:
Yea, Page was "on the radar" but only gets surveilled in the middle of the campaign. What a coincidence!
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Source: Vox
there were 40 pieces of evidence cited, one of which came from Steele, even if Steele’s evidence were somehow inappropriate to include (again, not necessarily a fair assumption) there would still be 39 other reasons that a warrant might be justified.
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Dream on.
 
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