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I Hereby Demand

calamity said:
What is this guy, five?



Oh, I get it, Trumpy watched the royal wedding and imagined himself to be King.


I bet the idiots who support him think this is all good. Amirite?
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It should be painfully obvious to the vast majority of informed observers of our political process that the basic thesis offered in the book THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP is true. Trump lives in world apart from the reality most American live in and it is one built from his own mental illness and willful delusions. He is the greatest danger threatening this nation and its people in the world today. He must be removed ASAP.

Imperial pronouncements disguised as tweets like this recent slew only serve to underline this sad conclusion that our president is mentally unfit for high office.
 
It does not occur to anybody that the Trump gang has moved off of "I am innocent based on the facts" to "let me off on a technicality" as their argument to the American people.

"I am honest and innocent, trust m"e is basically a political argument made by politicians from the beginning here in America. Never thought I would see the day when a sitting President felt so threatened that he was making legal arguments as political arguments. Nice try Donald. Your base is still the only thing you are going to get out of this and a few more outside of your base that voted your way are going to say ENOUGH.

Heck of a President we have here. And yes, this is the very same man he always was and that he will always be.
 
calamity said:
What is this guy, five?



Oh, I get it, Trumpy watched the royal wedding and imagined himself to be King.


I bet the idiots who support him think this is all good. Amirite?
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this strikes me as a move motivated by desperation. i wonder what kind of stuff was in Cohen's files.
 
calamity said:
What is this guy, five?

Oh, I get it, Trumpy watched the royal wedding and imagined himself to be King.

I bet the idiots who support him think this is all good. Amirite?
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The way he is doing it is idiotic and I have a great disdain for these twitter tirades and proclamations.

But the head of the Executive Branch making a demand of an Executive Branch agency is hardly some outlandish notion akin to being King.
 
Nothing wrong with discussing the "demand". Or we could discuss why Trump is moaning about how much the current investigation has cost the tax payers, yet here is wanting to spend more money.
Falsehoods...not to mention calling Trump supporters idiots. Fine start to a discussion?
 
MovingPictures said:
Sure, but its up to the AG whether the investigation has merit, not the president.
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Oh, for sure, the AG could refuse to follow his order if he thought the investigation was without merit.
 
OscarLevant said:
Not quite right. Trump watched Pundit Alan Dershowitz assert that the President had such powers, based on precedent set by Jefferson & Lincoln and acted on that. Dershowitz isn't always correct, as we shall see:
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Your quote is irrelevant.

The first point refers to whether the President should take part...supervise...the actions of a particular branch. This is not what Trump has done here. He gave the DOJ a direction to proceed. They will do the work...not him. What Trump has done here is "take care that the laws are faithfully executed".

The second point is even more irrelevant because it refers to whether Congress has a certain ability or not. This action by Trump...directing the DOJ to start an investigation...has nothing to do with anything Congress has or hasn't done.

Now...I suppose someone could bring suit against Trump for telling the DOJ to investigate this possible violation of law. It would be interesting to see how the courts ultimately rule on such a suit.
 
calamity said:
He can proclaim; he can direct; he can even order, but in the US, presidents do not "demand." That's what they do in authoritarian regimes. Do you support authoritarians?
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LOL!!

And order IS a demand.

But hey...that particular word chaps your ass, doesn't it?

Fact is, though, the DOJ is an agency of the Executive Branch. Trump, as President, can demand that they do anything...as long as it's in compliance with the law.
 
The only folks that will get any mileage out of this are the 24/7 cable news networks who are stumbling all over themselves to push out the idea that this "might" be the trip wire for Trump moving on the Mueller Prosecution team directly. The number of times the 24/7's have pushed this tired idea out there must number into the thousands by now.

Even the way they framed Rosenstein's response last night was unnerving in the sense that they picked the words they wanted to pull out of Rosenstein's full statement in order to create a "battle" where a battle did not exist. Clearly no matter how much the 24/7's wail about having figured out how to cover politics since the 2016 elections, they haven't figured anything out.

They don't care to figure anything out. They are TV Networks that should have never been networks because they don't have enough content and they won't ever have enough content. That would be fine if they did not feel compelled to maintain this facade of fairness built around news reporting which they do less and less of by the day.
 
calamity said:
What is this guy, five?



Oh, I get it, Trumpy watched the royal wedding and imagined himself to be King.


I bet the idiots who support him think this is all good. Amirite?
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He's so dramatic, but in all fairness, his loyal fan base loves him more than their country, so hey, why not act like a spurned cheerleader and drama king.
 
Mycroft said:
He's well within his Presidential powers to do this.

Do you have a problem?
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Look at calamity's history of started threads and tell me its not textbook TDS. Of course calamity has a problem.
 
HowardBThiname said:
If there is corruption within either one of those agencies -- how is it supposed to be exposed and remedied?
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There are remedies.

Problem is, Trump is looking for a monkey wrench to throw into the works, not a remedy.
 
late said:
There are remedies.

Problem is, Trump is looking for a monkey wrench to throw into the works, not a remedy.
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The Left wants it ignored, so the coup to overthrow President Trump can keep on truckin.
 
tres borrachos said:
He's so dramatic, but in all fairness, his loyal fan base loves him more than their country, so hey, why not act like a spurned cheerleader and drama king.
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If there's corruption within the FBI and DOJ do you want it addressed?
 
apdst said:
The Left wants it ignored, so the coup to overthrow President Trump can keep on truckin.
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You need to go to the gorcery store.

Your baloney is past it's use by date.
 
late said:
There are remedies.

Problem is, Trump is looking for a monkey wrench to throw into the works, not a remedy.
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No matter what Trump is personally looking for (we can't really know his thoughts) we do know that no agency is above the law, so internal investigation by special counsels should be the "rule," not the "exception."
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
At least it buys Rosenstein and Mueller time to finish their investigation honestly.
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Not really as their entire investigation was based on all this faulty information coming from these people.
they should have really done better work on who was behind this.

there is nothing honest about this investigation and there hasn't been since it came up.

If it was honest then the DNC and Clinton would be caught up in muellers probe.
as his job was to investigate russian meddling and they used russian operatives to try and dig up
dirt on trump.
 
tres borrachos said:
He's so dramatic, but in all fairness, his loyal fan base loves him more than their country, so hey, why not act like a spurned cheerleader and drama king.
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No federal organization is above the law not even the DOJ or the FBI.
if people in the organization were doing something illegal then it needs to be investigated and
they are held accountable.

Yep I love my country which is why this all disaster is appalling.
our government should be acting better than this in an ethical manner wouldn't you agree?

this is something out of a political thrill novel come to life.
if the previous administration ordered this then yes they should be held accountable for their actions.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Look at calamity's history of started threads and tell me its not textbook TDS. Of course calamity has a problem.
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yes it is 100% TDS. there is no doubt about it and the people that are agreeing with him are affected by the same thing.
it is a sad state of affairs when they support this level of corruption simply because they don't like the current president.
 
HowardBThiname said:
No matter what Trump is personally looking for (we can't really know his thoughts) we do know that no agency is above the law, so internal investigation by special counsels should be the "rule," not the "exception."
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Not sure what you're banging on about.

Rosenstein is handing this over to the IG.
 
Mycroft said:
He's well within his Presidential powers to do this.

Do you have a problem?
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Yes, where EVERY previous President has gone to great lengths do make sure they never even appeared to influence the justice system this president has taken every opportunity to do just that; it' not clear that this meddling IS within his powers.
 
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