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Stefan Halper Was Paid $282,000 in 2016 For Spying on Trump — And Another $129,280 in 2017

JANFU said:
Best look up CI and a Spy. Big difference.
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Only to a rational person capable of wanting to know and understand the difference. And that excludes hard core Trumpkins.
 
apdst said:
Thank for being honest, although it was an accident, I'm sure.
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The accident is when a conservative recognizes honesty. Both of the major/only USA parties got the same CIA scum to engage in illegal behavior to effect the outcome of the electoral process.

Are you now going to form an alliance with Dems to defend the fact that the entire USA political system isn't a swamp, it's a cesspool? Maybe y'all should consider bringing it up to the level of a septic tank.

The US is the dictionary definition of a 'banana republic'.
 
haymarket said:
Only to a rational person capable of wanting to know and understand the difference. And that excludes hard core Trumpkins.
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So far, what we know is that the FBI illegally sureveilled the Trump transition team, the Obama administratiin illegally unmasked American citizens, the FBI hired a spy to infiltrate the Trump campaign, members of the Obama administration conspired to undermine a duly elected president and now, some of those people have been referred for criminal charges.

How's that Russia investigation workin out for ya?
 
apdst said:
How's that Russia investigation workin out for ya?
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Wonderfully. The final report will bring down Trump and make all the Trumpkin apologists shamed to their inner core..... if they are sane and rational and have anything approaching integrity and a conscience.
 
haymarket said:
Wonderfully. The final report will bring down Trump and make all the Trumpkin apologists shamed to their inner core..... if they are sane and rational and have anything approaching integrity and a conscience.
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Yeah...sure...lol!

How does it feel knowing the people called heroes have been breaking more laws than Watergate? Do you think the people aren't seeing all this?
 
apdst said:
I never thought I would see the day when an administration would hire a spy to infiltrate a presidential campaign in order to tip the scale.
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There's never been a president like Obama.
Hopefully, there never will be again.
 
camlok said:
How oblivious does one have to be to miss that the Repugs did the same thing that the Demorats are now accused of doing, BOTH of them using the same piece of CIA scum?
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Deflecting and pointing to the other party is like a Trumper saying "Look at Clinton or Obama".
 
lefty louie said:
Deflecting and pointing to the other party is like a Trumper saying "Look at Clinton or Obama".
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Yes, it is, sometimes, but I am not doing that.

How oblivious does one have to be to miss that the Demorats DO the same thing that the Repugs are now accused of doing, BOTH of them using the same piece of CIA scum?

How oblivious does one have to be to miss that the Repugs DO the same thing that the Demorats are now accused of doing, BOTH of them using the same piece of CIA scum?

Do you grasp the implications of those two sentences? No? Let me spell it out for you. The entire US political system is a total **** up. It doesn't matter who is in power because it is the same thing, just with a different name.

"The general public are viewed as no more than ignorant and meddlesome outsiders, a bewildered herd. And it's the responsible men who have to make decisions and to protect society from the trampling and rage of the bewildered herd. Now since it's a democracy they - the herd, that is - are permitted occasionally to lend their weight to one or another member of the responsible class. That's called an election."
-- Noam Chomsky

One group has their septic tank dweller in office/power or they are hoping and praying he/she will be next time while the other group gets to enjoy that their septic tank dweller is now in office/power.

And as Chomsky notes, that keeps the sheeple/herd content, because they think they are part of the process. Which prevents them/y'all from thinking.
 
camlok said:
Yes, it is, sometimes, but I am not doing that.

How oblivious does one have to be to miss that the Demorats DO the same thing that the Repugs are now accused of doing, BOTH of them using the same piece of CIA scum?

How oblivious does one have to be to miss that the Repugs DO the same thing that the Demorats are now accused of doing, BOTH of them using the same piece of CIA scum?

Do you grasp the implications of those two sentences? No? Let me spell it out for you. The entire US political system is a total **** up. It doesn't matter who is in power because it is the same thing, just with a different name.

"The general public are viewed as no more than ignorant and meddlesome outsiders, a bewildered herd. And it's the responsible men who have to make decisions and to protect society from the trampling and rage of the bewildered herd. Now since it's a democracy they - the herd, that is - are permitted occasionally to lend their weight to one or another member of the responsible class. That's called an election."
-- Noam Chomsky

One group has their septic tank dweller in office/power or they are hoping and praying he/she will be next time while the other group gets to enjoy that their septic tank dweller is now in office/power.

And as Chomsky notes, that keeps the sheeple/herd content, because they think they are part of the process. Which prevents them/y'all from thinking.
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Well it seems we agree on all the above except you deflecting, but I'm willing to drop that charge and talk about defeating the 2 party system, getting rid of the old boys club, electing a person from some 3rd party except that they too will be bought and sold, if not with money then directed via threats to family and friends.
 
apdst said:
Yeah...sure...lol!

How does it feel knowing the people called heroes have been breaking more laws than Watergate? Do you think the people aren't seeing all this?
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yes - I imagine the people who look at Trump as a hero will be mighty ashamed when the truth comes out with such evidence b behind it that ever their willful mental delusions cannot hold back the importance of his treason.
 
apdst said:
So far, what we know is that the FBI illegally sureveilled the Trump transition team, the Obama administratiin illegally unmasked American citizens, the FBI hired a spy to infiltrate the Trump campaign, members of the Obama administration conspired to undermine a duly elected president and now, some of those people have been referred for criminal charges.

How's that Russia investigation workin out for ya?
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We don't know any of that.
 
We actually don't know if there was an informant. If there was an informant, he would not have been doing what a spy does because investigators know that they would never be able to make any case if a spy that they had engaged was doing what a spy does in or around the Trump campaign. Any case they could make would be thrown out of court. The prosecutors in this case would not have risked every single potential indictment by actually using a spy to do what a spy does.
 
apdst said:
We do, now.
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We don't know that this guy did the things that a spy would do. The only speculations that have made it to the news to this point are things that an informant would do, not the things that a spy would do. That has been my argument with this entire dialog from the start and it still is today.
 
Sam_Troy said:
Full title too long to insert. Should read~~Records Show FBI ‘Informant’ Stefan Halper Was Paid $282,000 in 2016 For Spying on Trump — And Another $129,280 in 2017

What needs to be noted is that 'Hamburger' Halper was not a spy as being depicted in the misleading media.
He was an entrapment specialist hired to feed Papadopoulos information to get the FISA applications rolling. In essence, a set up to initiate a coup against Donald Trump.


Records Show FBI 'Informant' Stefan Halper Was Paid $282,000 in 2016 For Spying on Trump -- And Another $129,280 in 2017
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Halper's collected several hundred thousand dollars from the US government over the last 5 years. Not bad for a Cambridge Professor and phony academic.
 
JANFU said:
Did you ever think the day would come where Republicans would out a confidential informant who worked years for the FBI & CIA?
How many peoples lives may be in danger?
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It's a regular thing:
Richard Armitage
He has acknowledged that he publicly released the information that Valerie Plame Wilson worked for the CIA, triggering the Plame affair.[SUP][1][/SUP]
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That's how Republicans roll.
 
Sam_Troy said:
Full title too long to insert. Should read~~Records Show FBI ‘Informant’ Stefan Halper Was Paid $282,000 in 2016 For Spying on Trump — And Another $129,280 in 2017

What needs to be noted is that 'Hamburger' Halper was not a spy as being depicted in the misleading media.
He was an entrapment specialist hired to feed Papadopoulos information to get the FISA applications rolling. In essence, a set up to initiate a coup against Donald Trump.


Records Show FBI 'Informant' Stefan Halper Was Paid $282,000 in 2016 For Spying on Trump -- And Another $129,280 in 2017
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I guess you could call spying when someone is looking into the Trump campaign in league with our country's enemies. Of course all of you trumpsters just love the Russians and especially their dictator Putin. I guess in the end that is what you want for our country. Maybe Trump wasn't joking about being president for life.
 
jnug said:
We don't know that this guy did the things that a spy would do. The only speculations that have made it to the news to this point are things that an informant would do, not the things that a spy would do. That has been my argument with this entire dialog from the start and it still is today.
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He infiltrated the campaign, made friends with members of the campaign and started picking their brains for information. That's exactly what spies do.
 
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