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Why Americans don't do anything about mass shootings[W:465]

dirtpoorchris said:
Yuck that sounds like commie talk. Why would america wanna wussify themselves like those people? After the whole world wussifies itself another global bully will pop up and well have to start alllllllllll over again.
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Relax senator McCarthy. I'm sure you will just re up again for active duty and go fight the commies......right?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Would you agree that outside pet cats having their claws intact is humane because they will be facing other cats with claws? Shaming the good people with guns is like those people who remove the bark from their dog just because its annoying, its a ****ty thing to do. Hearing about school shootings on the news is annoying but the price to pay once all nations are disarmed is going to be way worse, if the powers that be ever take every gun from every person again its going to be the holocaust again, except worse.

We actually live in the most peaceful time in history I dunno why you guys are so obsessed with tragedy. Just by paying your taxes you bomb civilians in the middle east, so just by existing you are violent, and I think you just have a hard on for shaming. Like something in your life is lacking so you just have this urge to come online and try to make people feel bad. Your basically trying to shame and bully people without looking like an asshole.
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I haven't shamed anyone, and as I've stated before, I think this is a broader issue than just people owning guns. Guns are a tool that aid in attackers achieve higher body counts as well as being relatively easy to access versus other methods, but the problem is the people who carry out these acts. The problem I have with gun control is that as a solution, I don't see it having the impact its advocates think it will because if you look at the recent attack, a shotgun and handgun were used; banning specific fire arms will likely lead to assailants choosing another weapon in its stead. What I don't buy into is this notion that the only way to do it is to arm ourselves as a means of protection from our fellow citizens; the concept itself is pretty odd to me. I grew up around gun violence, and never once did I think having a gun was the way to go. I also don't have the paranoia of tyranny that some do because in this country there would likely be signs well before it comes to that.
 
vegas giants said:
Yes. Reasonable and effective gun control like Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and every other developed country has. We can bicker over the exact details but first we have to admit that what we have now is not working.

Do you have a plan?
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Reasonable and effective gun control. The fallback position to no I don't have a pan. Then lets use Canada, Europe, Australia, NZ as the basis for our new non enforceable laws. Gun banning, which bannoids loudly proclaim they don't actually want.

I have a plan. Stop trying to blame guns for the actions of nut jobs.
 
jimbo said:
Reasonable and effective gun control. The fallback position to no I don't have a pan. Then lets use Canada, Europe, Australia, NZ as the basis for our new non enforceable laws. Gun banning, which bannoids loudly proclaim they don't actually want.

I have a plan. Stop trying to blame guns for the actions of nut jobs.
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The gun rubber plan is....more guns. Lol
 
jimbo said:
Reasonable and effective gun control. The fallback position to no I don't have a pan. Then lets use Canada, Europe, Australia, NZ as the basis for our new non enforceable laws. Gun banning, which bannoids loudly proclaim they don't actually want.

I have a plan. Stop trying to blame guns for the actions of nut jobs.
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100% of shootings are carried out by people using guns. I'll blame the guns.
 
Grand Mal said:
Change the constitution. Won't be the first time.
Why is it that every suggested solution comes up against the constitution, except those that put more guns into the mix?
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I agree that's the way to go. I have been waiting for a serious, smart proposal to amend the 2A to address the problem without taking away the right to keep and bear arms. I would support that. What I won't support is whining and pretending the 2A isn't in the Constitution.
 
Cardinal said:
100% of shootings are carried out by people using guns. I'll blame the guns.
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And 100% of the drownings involve water. But we don't blame water.

I have both guns and water in my home and in my car or on my person when I'm travelling. Neither has ever murdered anyone.
 
late said:
Mythology.

Tombstone had gun regs.

This is another instance of bizarre fringe types getting money and the end result is disaster.
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Yes, Tombstone had gun regs, which makes my point. Almost everyone was armed.
 
Captain Adverse said:
No, not "increasingly this is a reality for children."

There are over 150,000 schools in the USA. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84

How many school shootings happen each year?
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Since the current rate is slightly over one per week, what to you think the maximum allowable rate (before anyone actually does something concrete about the) for school shootings should be?

  1. ____ 2 per week;
  2. ____ 3 per week;
  3. ____ 4 per week;
  4. ____ 5 per week;
  5. ____ 6 per week;
  6. ____ 7 per week;
  7. ____ 8 per week;
  8. ____ 9 per week;
  9. ____ 10 per week;
  10. ____ 11 per week;
  11. ____ 12 per week;
  12. ____ 13 per week;
  13. ____ 14 per week;
  14. ____ ?? per week;
 
jimbo said:
And 100% of the drownings involve water. But we don't blame water.

I have both guns and water in my home and in my car or on my person when I'm travelling. Neither has ever murdered anyone.
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I'm glad you accept the premise that water is a necessary condition for drowning, just as guns are a necessary condition for shootings.
 
Lursa said:
We as a society need to figure out how and why we are creating these losers. Adults and teens.
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One factor that is common to a whole lot of the mass shootings - ESPECIALLY the school ones - is the fact that the murderer couldn't get laid.

And, of course (assuming that they survive) those who murder school children get famous and famous people get laid.
 
Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh)

PEOPLE cause harm,

However, MOST people choose NOT to do harm

The fact that a few bad actors do what they do ...

We have laws that punish those who do bad acts.
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The hypocrisy, as always, is stunning
 
Jack Hays said:
"The Constitution is what the judges say it is." --Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes
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For better or worse, that statement is correct. That's why we should choose our judges very carefully (in most cases we choose the choosers, actually, but the point remains).
 
jimbo said:
And 100% of the drownings involve water. But we don't blame water.

I have both guns and water in my home and in my car or on my person when I'm travelling. Neither has ever murdered anyone.
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The NRA really needs better meme writers.
 
Theres a certain level of irony in all this. The people that clamor for us to "do something!!" following a mass shooting (which invariably means attack the Constitutional rights of 120 million US citizens that have NOTHING to do with the incidents) are typically the same people that dismiss terrorist attacks as "not representative of ALL Muslims" and dismiss the attacks because its not like they happen every day.

The OP mentions bump stocks. FFS...1 time Bump stocks are used in a criminal act and they are the boogie man. Do you realize you can bump fire weapons without a bumpfire stock? All you need is a trigger finger and forward pressure on the front grip.

There are things we can do. There are dialogues we can have. There are things we should do differently. I'd love to have those dialogues. Unfortunately...we never get past the same mindless leftist twats shrieking about banning guns and the eeeeeevil NRA...because thats all they can talk about whenever an incident of mass shooting occurs.
 
vegas giants said:
That plan does not work anywhere on earth
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Really?

Take a look next door.

Canadian society and American society are almost indistinguishable to outsiders.

In the 1960s Canadian gun laws and American gun laws were almost identical in that you needed neither background check nor license to purchase firearms (including semi-automatic weapons which could easily be converted to full-automatic and handguns [in fact, the US laws were tougher because felons were not allowed to own firearms while in Canada they were [unless the sentencing judge had made a specific order that they not be allowed to own firearms]).

  • At that time the rate for "gun crimes" was lower in Canada than it was in the United States of America (but I cannot recall the exact ratio).

Today the gun laws in Canada are much stricter than they are in the US but (assuming that my memory isn't playing me false) the ratio for "gun crimes" has remained the same.

One thing that HAS changed is the rate of "mass shootings" between Canada and the US and the Canadian rate today roughly approximately the Canadian rate in the 1960s while the US rate has seen a massive rise from that of the 1960s.

Possibly there is some factor in Canadian society other than gun control which has contributed to the decreased levels of "gun crimes" and "mass shootings" vis-a-vis Canada and the US.

Of course, since there is no other place on earth than the United States of America then your statement "That plan does not work anywhere on earth." is completely true.
 
Captain Adverse said:
No, not "increasingly this is a reality for children."

There are over 150,000 schools in the USA. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84

How many school shootings happen each year?

The media hype of every such incident blows the situation out of all proportion to "reality."

IMO the fact we make such actors notorious encourages them to act out in such ways...giving them exactly what they desire.

They seek notoriety, to make them seem consequential via infamy and their half-hour of fame in an otherwise wasted life.

They get a "twofer" by these acts; revenge for alleged slights, and to become the focus of national attention for as long as their trial lasts...or until another seeker steals the limelight.

Meanwhile, you heighten the fear in order to push an agenda, using the emotional appeal of "what about the children!" ignoring the fact Millions upon Millions of people own guns and never use them for bad purposes.
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The reality si that there has been on average 2.5 mass shootings a year since 1982. In 36 years, those shootings have involved 18 schools (and there are some 360,000 schools including colleges, where several of those shootings occurred).

There have been periods in hsitory where there were more mass shootings. There have been periods where there were less. But the average remains remarkably constant.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
 
vegas giants said:
In most countries kids will not get shot in math class.
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American children do not “risk their lives” when they show up to school each morning — or at least, not nearly as much as they do whenever they ride in a car, swim in a pool, or put food in their mouths (an American’s lifetime odds of dying in a mass shooting committed in any location is 1 in 11,125; of dying in a car accident is 1 and 491; of drowning is 1 in 1,133; and of choking on food is 1 in 3,461). Criminal victimization in American schools has collapsed in tandem with the overall crime rate, leaving U.S. classrooms safer today than at any time in recent memory.

There Is No ?Epidemic of Mass School Shootings?
 
Cardinal said:
I'm glad you accept the premise that water is a necessary condition for drowning, just as guns are a necessary condition for shootings.
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I've always accepted the premise.

I believe we should limit household water to a maximum of 1 gallon at a time. And no high volume spigots. A gallon an hour max. And all water must be stored safely and kept out of the reach of children. And training prior to issuing water permits. And a usage and possession fee.
 
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