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Liberalizing America has gone far enough.

poweRob said:
"Has ruined" is present tense. "Had ruined" would be the use of past tense.
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Johnny has done his homework, he did it in the past

Deuce said:
By "bring back fathers" do you mean "trap women in abusive marriages?"
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Why would I mean that, ridiculous, NEXT!
biff_poindexter said:
Should I hold my breath or nah?



Tax cuts work if we target them at the middle class -- they tend to put their money back in the economy with a greater multiplier effect -- Trump's tax cuts don't do that -- and whenever republicans want to cut spending -- it means poor people are about to take it in the shorts. Again
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Do what you will, but you'll see. A big pet peeve of mine is isolationism, not the smartest of plans.
 
Rosie1 said:
Ridiculous, Liberalism is what made America. We do not need to regress back to a time when women and minorities had no rights and no vote. As it stands, we are far less liberal than Scandinavian and other countries, which mostly came by their liberal policies from ideas hatched in America. Being anti liberal is being anti-progress, and you can complain about it all you want, but the young people who will be running America will do away with archaic policies and support people who are both progressive and practical.
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Yes. Even the founding of America was a liberal idea. Sometimes we lose our way but we always return. Liberal ideas created the middle class which is our backbone.
 
lefty louie said:
Johnny has done his homework, he did it in the past.
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Neither me nor you said "done".

"Has ruined" is present tense in that despite the "ed" on "ruin" it implies it is currently ruined to the present point.

And it was your tense that I used. Not mine. So point that accusatory finger at yourself.
 
lefty louie said:
I don't think we can go back to the 50's, but that doesn't mean we can't regain some moral values, can't realize that 2 parent families are a better environment for children then a struggling 1 parent family. Baby face Nelson was a product of the great depression, not the 50's, as were many others of his time, they also came and went within a matter of a few years time. They also didn't go around shooting up schools they were robbing banks and LEO's got in the way of them doing their crime, they didn't kill innocent people just because they were there, they didn't target people. What a poor analogy.


I thought I mentioned a couple of specifics, maybe go back and read again.
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You don’t know much about Lester Gillis (BFN) He wasn’t a product of the depression. He was already a seasoned criminal years before the depression. And Lester terrorized and murdered quite a few innocent people.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Lol. The fantasy that “goverment has ruined this nation” is absolutely hilarious. Times change buddy. If you weren’t a white male the era you suggest we “go back to”(i.e. the 1950s and before) was absolutely crap. Decades ago millions of Americans were denied their constitutional rights by terrorist groups. The idea that “participation trophies” are a bad thing is even more hilarious given conservatives’ love affair with the Confederacy.

A “smack in the back of the head” sure didn’t stop psychopaths like Baby Face Nelson from running wild, and smacking kids around because “life’s tough” is just plain moronic.
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Today's black illegitimacy rate of nearly 75 percent is also entirely new. It was 25 percent by 1965, when Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote
"The Negro Family: The Case for National Action" and was widely condemned as a racist. Approximately at the same time LBJ created
one of his 3 doosies the "Great Society"

Much of today's pathology seen among many blacks is an outgrowth of the welfare state that has made self-destructive behavior
less costly for the individual. Having children without the benefit of marriage is less burdensome if the mother receives housing
subsidies, welfare payments and food stamps.

Black youth unemployment in some cities is over 50 percent. But high black youth unemployment is also new.
In 1948, the unemployment rate for black teens was slightly less than that of their white counterparts —
9.4 percent compared with 10.2.

Seems to me black youth & black families were far better off in the most important aspects of life back in the day.
The improvement in the black condition now is seen mainly among the ranks of the talented tenth of black society.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/walter-e-williams/true-black-tragedy-illegitimacy-rate-nearly-75
 
lefty louie said:
Why would I mean that, ridiculous, NEXT!
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Ok, so divorce remains legal in lefty louie's world.

how are we bringing the fathers back, exactly?
 
HenryChinaski said:
You don’t know much about Lester Gillis (BFN) He wasn’t a product of the depression. He was already a seasoned criminal years before the depression. And Lester terrorized and murdered quite a few innocent people.
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So out of all of America you point to one person that you claim murdered "quite a few", innocent people. From what I remember of his history and those like him he may have killed 2-3 innocent people. I don't count police as innocent because they are in the game of putting him away.

Feel free to disprove my claim, I'll wait.
 
Deuce said:
Ok, so divorce remains legal in lefty louie's world.

how are we bringing the fathers back, exactly?
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Instilling a degree of morals, by educating younger people both men and women how important communication skills are, by having them delay marriage until they are mature (whatever age that may be, for me it was 38). Teaching there is a greater calling in life then just dumping and running, that the person you claim to have loved is worth that extra try.
 
lefty louie said:
So out of all of America you point to one person that you claim murdered "quite a few", innocent people. From what I remember of his history and those like him he may have killed 2-3 innocent people. I don't count police as innocent because they are in the game of putting him away.

Feel free to disprove my claim, I'll wait.
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It’s clear that you don’t know much about early 20th century crime and criminals especially Lester Gillis. My father-in-law William Helmer co-wrote “Baby Face Nelson, a Portrait of a public enemy“ I suggest reading it, so that you’ll be educated on the subject and not romanticizing them or the era .
 
HenryChinaski said:
It’s clear that you don’t know much about early 20th century crime and criminals especially Lester Gillis. My father-in-law William Helmer co-wrote “Baby Face Nelson, a Portrait of a public enemy“ I suggest reading it, so that you’ll be educated on the subject and not romanticizing them or the era .
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So in short, you got nothing, maybe you should read that book again and list 5 names of innocents that he set out to kill. You know, like that one guy that cut him off on the road.
 
lefty louie said:
So in short, you got nothing, maybe you should read that book again and list 5 names of innocents that he set out to kill. You know, like that one guy that cut him off on the road.
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Five innocencets that he set out to kill? Ah that’s right you don’t count cops. The guy was a psychopathic kidnapper strong-arm robber, put somebody in a coma during a mugging. Shot innocent bystandards in a botched bank job, Real stand up individual. You probably think that Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker were A-OK too
 
HenryChinaski said:
Five innocencets that he set out to kill? Ah that’s right you don’t count cops. The guy was a psychopathic kidnapper strong-arm robber, put somebody in a coma during a mugging. Shot innocent bystandards in a botched bank job, Real stand up individual. You probably think that Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker were A-OK too
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Who ever said these were OK people, they were thugs, low life's and deserved to be in prison or dead like they turned up. Do you have a point or are you so far down the road you forgot what it was?
 
lefty louie said:
Who ever said these were OK people, they were thugs, low life's and deserved to be in prison or dead like they turned up. Do you have a point or are you so far down the road you forgot what it was?
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You incorrectly stated that Babyface Nelson was a “product of the Great Depression” which is wrong. You also stated that he didn’t kill innocent people and I’m correcting you on that too. Your end of the lesson.
 
lefty louie said:
Instilling a degree of morals, by educating younger people both men and women how important communication skills are, by having them delay marriage until they are mature (whatever age that may be, for me it was 38). Teaching there is a greater calling in life then just dumping and running, that the person you claim to have loved is worth that extra try.
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And you think these things are... conservative views?
 
lefty louie said:
America has been going down a path of liberalism far too long, single parent families, loose moral values, everyone gets a medal type crap.
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America was founded on liberal values.

It's time with all these school shootings to end the experiment of liberalization and bring back fathers into the equation, moral values (if you prefer religious that's fine too), you win a prize when you win the race and a smack in the back of the head when you act out to excess.
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Didn't the last school shooter steal his fathers guns? And if the problem is missing fathers, why aren't school shooters black?

Decades ago they would have kids bring guns to school to take firearms training, were there shootings back then? Yes, but as compared with today, few and far between. Time to turn the clock back a bit when it comes to family life. Government has effectively ruined our nation and will continue doing so until we step up and take this bull by the horns.
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Well....

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Deuce said:
And you think these things are... conservative views?
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Did I say that? Stop trying to get me to say what you want.

spud_meister said:
America was founded on liberal values.



Didn't the last school shooter steal his fathers guns? And if the problem is missing fathers, why aren't school shooters black?



Well....

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Liberals and conservatives have swapped places over the years.


My favorite Presidents were Liberals, Jefferson among them, liberal yet he owned slaves?????
 
lefty louie said:
Liberals and conservatives have swapped places over the years.


My favorite Presidents were Liberals, Jefferson among them, liberal yet he owned slaves?????
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No, liberal values change, that's why they're known as progressive. Can you address the rest of my post too?
 
lefty louie said:
Did I say that? Stop trying to get me to say what you want.

Liberals and conservatives have swapped places over the years.


My favorite Presidents were Liberals, Jefferson among them, liberal yet he owned slaves?????
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Your premise was that liberalism=bad. You identified supposed problems with liberalism. Now you're saying the fixes aren't conservative.
 
spud_meister said:
No, liberal values change, that's why they're known as progressive. Can you address the rest of my post too?
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I'm pressed for time, but did I say I had the answers?
Deuce said:
Your premise was that liberalism=bad. You identified supposed problems with liberalism. Now you're saying the fixes aren't conservative.
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Conservative ideas offset liberal ideas, they are not the answer, moderate is most likely the answer.
 
slick said:
Today's black illegitimacy rate of nearly 75 percent is also entirely new. It was 25 percent by 1965, when Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote
"The Negro Family: The Case for National Action" and was widely condemned as a racist. Approximately at the same time LBJ created
one of his 3 doosies the "Great Society"

Much of today's pathology seen among many blacks is an outgrowth of the welfare state that has made self-destructive behavior
less costly for the individual. Having children without the benefit of marriage is less burdensome if the mother receives housing
subsidies, welfare payments and food stamps.

Black youth unemployment in some cities is over 50 percent. But high black youth unemployment is also new.
In 1948, the unemployment rate for black teens was slightly less than that of their white counterparts —
9.4 percent compared with 10.2.

Seems to me black youth & black families were far better off in the most important aspects of life back in the day.
The improvement in the black condition now is seen mainly among the ranks of the talented tenth of black society.

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/walter-e-williams/true-black-tragedy-illegitimacy-rate-nearly-75
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Alright bud, how about you give up your constitutional rights then, since you think it’s no big deal for people to be denied their rights for a century by a terrorist group with close ties to state law enforcement and legislative institutions.

While I’m not surprised a Neo-Confederate like you thinks everything was better back in the days of Jim Crow, the facts don’t back you up in the slightest.

Ah, 1948. Just a few years ealier southern whites were treating literal Nazis far better than American soldiers in the basis of their skin color.
 
lefty louie said:
I'm pressed for time, but did I say I had the answers?
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Yes, your OP is about your answers. But given that black kids, who have a higher rate of absent fathers, aren't shooting schools, and that murder and violent crime in general is way down, your answers are wrong.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I suggest electing more politicians like Trump


They will set a good example for the morality of the nation
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Obviously. Trump is a moral beacon, whether it comes to his views on women, immigrants, blacks, HIS justice dept., how could we ask for more clarity of vision?
 
spud_meister said:
Yes, your OP is about your answers. But given that black kids, who have a higher rate of absent fathers, aren't shooting schools, and that murder and violent crime in general is way down, your answers are wrong.
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Perhaps it's white kids shooting things up because they are being pushed out of positions they earn, you know, like "let's dumb things down so that others can catch up."
 
lefty louie said:
Perhaps it's white kids shooting things up because they are being pushed out of positions they earn, you know, like "let's dumb things down so that others can catch up."
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If social exclusion is the cause, where were the mass shootings when black people were excluded and prevented from earning things?
 
spud_meister said:
If social exclusion is the cause, where were the mass shootings when black people were excluded and prevented from earning things?
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I don't think they had the power or maybe were too afraid of what would happen if they had acted. Also there was no glorification back then. Stop putting people all over the front page (to make money) and maybe that will cut down on the number seeking fame.

I can't be recognized for being a doctor, cause I'm not a doctor, but it's easy to shoot people I feel offended me.
 
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