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School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

tres borrachos said:
You've read dozens of articles today about the FBI visiting this kid's house two years ago. Can you please tell me what sites you saw them on? Because I've Googled it every which way I can, and nobody has said that that I can see, from the Sheriff to the governor to law enforcement to Cruz to the FBI.
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I said it could have been a reporter on scene. The witness in the small neighborhood said it was a big deal at the time but never found out what it was about.

Not everything is posted on the Net. You'll just have to take my word for it.
 
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Casper said:
I am not a supporter in the give them a pill and problem solved method, only extreme cases, especially with children. Catch them young and normal therapy can do wonders.
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Usually diet and exercise.
 
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WCH said:
I said it could have been a reporter on scene. The witness in the small neighborhood said it was a big deal at the time but never found out what it was about.

Not everything is posted on the Net. You'll just have to take my word for it.
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Um, no, I'll wait until someone in a position of authority and in the know reports on it. But thanks.
 
Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

tres borrachos said:
Um, no, I'll wait until someone in a position of authority and in the know reports on it. But thanks.
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Suit yourself.
 
Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

Renae said:
Hold your horses here and hear me out.

We know a lot of these kids are diagnosed from an early age as being "something" wrong with them, ADHD was big for a while, now it's ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) and so forth. These kids are pumped full of brain altering drugs, put in therapy and basically have been told their whole life they are broken.

I think this is REALLY unhealthy in the end, between the drugs with heaven knows what long term side effects on brain development to kids believing there is something inherently wrong with them is it a wonder some of them snap and go crazy?

Granted, there are people with real issues, whom such treatments help, but it seems to me that if you tell someone from their earliest days they are "not right" and "Take a pill" that modulates their brain chemistry... that is a recipe for bad things. While people like to blame the weapons used, I've said it before, when I went to High School, especially in Cameron Tx, it was not an uncommon sight to see trucks with loaded gun racks in the parking lot and no one got shot. I take that back, one kdi took a .22 shot to the eye because his friend was stupid. I was actually over a friends house and his sister was dating the kid, she was on the phone with him and started screaming bloody murder that her BF was dead. Kinda a crazy day that was.
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Do you have any experience with those who have been diagnosed with autism, apparently not. We have autism in the family running from severe to mild and none have ever been "pumped full of drugs" or attacked anyone.
 
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Renae said:
Hold your horses here and hear me out.

We know a lot of these kids are diagnosed from an early age as being "something" wrong with them, ADHD was big for a while, now it's ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) and so forth. These kids are pumped full of brain altering drugs, put in therapy and basically have been told their whole life they are broken.

I think this is REALLY unhealthy in the end, between the drugs with heaven knows what long term side effects on brain development to kids believing there is something inherently wrong with them is it a wonder some of them snap and go crazy?

Granted, there are people with real issues, whom such treatments help, but it seems to me that if you tell someone from their earliest days they are "not right" and "Take a pill" that modulates their brain chemistry... that is a recipe for bad things. While people like to blame the weapons used, I've said it before, when I went to High School, especially in Cameron Tx, it was not an uncommon sight to see trucks with loaded gun racks in the parking lot and no one got shot. I take that back, one kdi took a .22 shot to the eye because his friend was stupid. I was actually over a friends house and his sister was dating the kid, she was on the phone with him and started screaming bloody murder that her BF was dead. Kinda a crazy day that was.
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Oh of course, let's all have the same conversations we've had 22 times this year so far...

22 school shootings IS the topic, not the latest "troubled teen" story, that was old at two shootings.

This fact in unalienable and has been unchanging all my life. The United States of American cannot provide safe classrooms for their children.

It doesn't matter what else the USA does, from blockbuster films to moon landings, to computers to stealing from the tax payers, nothing stands against the fact you cannot keep your children safe.

It does not matter what is the cause, that's just excuses like the character of the "troubled teen", the bare fact cannot be denied...and no country can claim to be "Great" anything until your children are safe.

Till then the only "great" will be ahead of the words "**** hole".
 
Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

independentusa said:
Do you have any experience with those who have been diagnosed with autism, apparently not. We have autism in the family running from severe to mild and none have ever been "pumped full of drugs" or attacked anyone.
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My own son, he was on three diff pills when I got him from his mother.
Diagnosed as a "full on case" of aspergers.

So no, NO experience WHATSOEVER.
 
Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

Fearandloathing said:
Oh of course, let's all have the same conversations we've had 22 times this year so far...

22 school shootings IS the topic, not the latest "troubled teen" story, that was old at two shootings.

This fact in unalienable and has been unchanging all my life. The United States of American cannot provide safe classrooms for their children.

It doesn't matter what else the USA does, from blockbuster films to moon landings, to computers to stealing from the tax payers, nothing stands against the fact you cannot keep your children safe.

It does not matter what is the cause, that's just excuses like the character of the "troubled teen", the bare fact cannot be denied...and no country can claim to be "Great" anything until your children are safe.

Till then the only "great" will be ahead of the words "**** hole".
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Yeah, so what's your solution again?

Oh yeah, disarm everyone, so only the cops and criminals have guns.

Good plan, not.
 
Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

maxparrish said:
Then the question becomes, why do THESE outcasts act differently than previous outcasts? Being bullied and unpopular is nothing new, but kids didn't pick up a shotgun and handgun and waste his classmates.

So what has changed? Why do kids now feel entitled to kill because they were picked on?
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Nihilism and isolation. I think people have the potential to be isolated more than ever. You can retreat to the internet and never interact with other humans.... these kids have no community, no obligation to interact with anyone, they have retreated to their own isolation entirely.
 
Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

Renae said:
Hold your horses here and hear me out.

We know a lot of these kids are diagnosed from an early age as being "something" wrong with them, ADHD was big for a while, now it's ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) and so forth. These kids are pumped full of brain altering drugs, put in therapy and basically have been told their whole life they are broken.

I think this is REALLY unhealthy in the end, between the drugs with heaven knows what long term side effects on brain development to kids believing there is something inherently wrong with them is it a wonder some of them snap and go crazy?

Granted, there are people with real issues, whom such treatments help, but it seems to me that if you tell someone from their earliest days they are "not right" and "Take a pill" that modulates their brain chemistry... that is a recipe for bad things. While people like to blame the weapons used, I've said it before, when I went to High School, especially in Cameron Tx, it was not an uncommon sight to see trucks with loaded gun racks in the parking lot and no one got shot. I take that back, one kdi took a .22 shot to the eye because his friend was stupid. I was actually over a friends house and his sister was dating the kid, she was on the phone with him and started screaming bloody murder that her BF was dead. Kinda a crazy day that was.
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From the perspective of someone like me: I have ADD, and I take pills to help me concentrate. I was never told I was "broken", or whatever. I just know I have to take them otherwise I can't really focus on my schoolwork.

And this problem seems to be a incredibly complicated one, and a lot of variables are at play for why these things keep happening.
 
Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

TheGoverness said:
From the perspective of someone like me: I have ADD, and I take pills to help me concentrate. I was never told I was "broken", or whatever. I just know I have to take them otherwise I can't really focus on my schoolwork.

And this problem seems to be a incredibly complicated one, and a lot of variables are at play for why these things keep happening.
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Some people take it as "I'm not normal" and are treated thus by their parents.
 
Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

This article, posted by Bullseye in another thread, has some very scary things to say re: those on the autism/Aspergers spectrum. (Its long but very good)

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence


OTOH, it's from 2.5 yrs ago and I've seen little more concern about that specifically.
 
Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

Bro, autistics have always been there. We're just getting better at diagnosing and servicing it. Furthermore, though it's still an issue, there's far less bull**** emphasis on throwing these kids into the OHI label in special education just because of the awkwardness special educators and administrators had over providing services for these kids.
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Lastly, medications are fine. In fact, we have long had the opposite problem: people not wanting to get kids the medications that help them. We've even had plenty of bureaucratic nonsense where state agencies purposefully ignore Doctor prescriptions and make kids fail on other meds before they get the ones that they needed in the first place.

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Re: School shootings: something to discuss, is it the overprevelance of "autism" diagnoses?

You cannot stop these maniacs form attempting to do harm to others. All that we can do is harden the targets...schools are attractive for these losers because that's where they get teased, bullied and humiliated. Students can make a difference (if they choose) by being kind to those who are different. Teachers and aids can make a difference by recognizing the bullying. Administrators can make a difference by listening to warnings about certain individuals.
With all that said and done, what can be done constitutionally to stop these individuals once there are warnings about them?

I watched a leftie gun grabber on the news this morning who said "this school did everything that they were supposed to do from having armed people on the grounds to having drills designed to lessen the carnage" he then went on a tirade about guns... How about this...congress did everything in its power to stop something like this from happening, from creating a minimum age for purchasing certain firearms to background checks for gun ownership. They didn't work either.

As rough as it sounds, sometimes bad stuff happens. You're not free from being murdered.
 
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