MS-13 Is Bad Even If Trump Says So

[LowDown]

Beating a pregnant woman to death with a baseball bat? Stabbing someone 100 times and then beheading them? Murdering a snitch with a chainsaw? Skin people alive? Burn fingers off with gas torches? Just an ordinary work day for members of MS-13, the horrifically violent gang of Latinos centered mainly around the drug traffic. You name it they've done it. Their motto is "mata, viola, controla," which means "kill, rape, control. They are also into child prostitution. And they are a growing problem in the US. No, I'm not kidding.

And members of the Democratic party and the news media have put themselves in the position of defending MS-13 just because Trump called them "animals".

"Animals" is probably not a strong enough word for MS-13, in addition to being an insult to animals.

Continuing the time honored journalistic tradition of lying through their teeth every chance they get, the New York Times and others attempted to imply that Trump was referring to all immigrants when he used the term. Trump and his press secretary, Sarah Saunders, called them out on that, saying they "knew good and well" that Trump referred to MS-13.

Some decried the "dehumanization" of MS-13. But, as I recall, it was OK to call people who carried Tiki torches in Charleston "subhuman".

Trump vowed to continue to describe MS-13 members as animals despite Democrat pearl clutching.

There is no reason to reject something that is objectively true just because Trump is the one saying it.

In truth, the news media freaks out dishonestly about Trump so much that it's impossible to believe what they say.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ms-13-is-bad-even-if-trump-says-so/

 

[PeteEU]

MS 13 is bad.. sure, but the way Trump said it plus his history on the subject, well.. lets just say it was and is problematic. On top of that, he should not be saying that **** about anyone as a leader of a country. It is undignified to say the least. The media have every right to go after him on it, because it was not clear at all what he was saying (like most things he says), so either Trump and his cronies come officially and state what he meant, or this will continue to fester... why? Because he has called Mexicans for rapists before and shown clear racist attitudes, including supporting the ****ing KKK/Neo Nazi scum bags.

So spare me the attempt to try to rehabilitate this man... let him do it himself, as that is the only way it can be done. He has to make it clear, and apologize for past offenses. But of course we know, he wont do that..

 

[FreeWits]

MS 13 is bad.. sure, but the way Trump said it plus his history on the subject, well.. lets just say it was and is problematic. On top of that, he should not be saying that **** about anyone as a leader of a country. It is undignified to say the least. The media have every right to go after him on it, because it was not clear at all what he was saying (like most things he says), so either Trump and his cronies come officially and state what he meant, or this will continue to fester... why? Because he has called Mexicans for rapists before and shown clear racist attitudes, including supporting the ****ing KKK/Neo Nazi scum bags.

So spare me the attempt to try to rehabilitate this man... let him do it himself, as that is the only way it can be done. He has to make it clear, and apologize for past offenses. But of course we know, he wont do that..

You are absolutely delusional. The problems you see in Trump are really problems of your own imagination. And you sit there thinking you are so high and mighty on your moral highhorse, but really you are an extremely immoral person by falsely attacking people as racist. Check yourself. Your arguments have turned you into an immoral person, and I don't think that's the type of person you want to be.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Beating a pregnant woman to death with a baseball bat? Stabbing someone 100 times and then beheading them? Murdering a snitch with a chainsaw? Skin people alive? Burn fingers off with gas torches? Just an ordinary work day for members of MS-13, the horrifically violent gang of Latinos centered mainly around the drug traffic. You name it they've done it. Their motto is "mata, viola, controla," which means "kill, rape, control. They are also into child prostitution. And they are a growing problem in the US. No, I'm not kidding.

And members of the Democratic party and the news media have put themselves in the position of defending MS-13 just because Trump called them "animals".

"Animals" is probably not a strong enough word for MS-13, in addition to being an insult to animals.

Continuing the time honored journalistic tradition of lying through their teeth every chance they get, the New York Times and others attempted to imply that Trump was referring to all immigrants when he used the term. Trump and his press secretary, Sarah Saunders, called them out on that, saying they "knew good and well" that Trump referred to MS-13.

Some decried the "dehumanization" of MS-13. But, as I recall, it was OK to call people who carried Tiki torches in Charleston "subhuman".

Trump vowed to continue to describe MS-13 members as animals despite Democrat pearl clutching.

There is no reason to reject something that is objectively true just because Trump is the one saying it.

In truth, the news media freaks out dishonestly about Trump so much that it's impossible to believe what they say.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ms-13-is-bad-even-if-trump-says-so/

When you have prohibition you will create the economic niche for the most ruthless and nasty to exploit.

 

[tres borrachos]

Beating a pregnant woman to death with a baseball bat? Stabbing someone 100 times and then beheading them? Murdering a snitch with a chainsaw? Skin people alive? Burn fingers off with gas torches? Just an ordinary work day for members of MS-13, the horrifically violent gang of Latinos centered mainly around the drug traffic. You name it they've done it. Their motto is "mata, viola, controla," which means "kill, rape, control. They are also into child prostitution. And they are a growing problem in the US. No, I'm not kidding.

And members of the Democratic party and the news media have put themselves in the position of defending MS-13 just because Trump called them "animals".

"Animals" is probably not a strong enough word for MS-13, in addition to being an insult to animals.

Continuing the time honored journalistic tradition of lying through their teeth every chance they get, the New York Times and others attempted to imply that Trump was referring to all immigrants when he used the term. Trump and his press secretary, Sarah Saunders, called them out on that, saying they "knew good and well" that Trump referred to MS-13.

Some decried the "dehumanization" of MS-13. But, as I recall, it was OK to call people who carried Tiki torches in Charleston "subhuman".

Trump vowed to continue to describe MS-13 members as animals despite Democrat pearl clutching.

There is no reason to reject something that is objectively true just because Trump is the one saying it.

In truth, the news media freaks out dishonestly about Trump so much that it's impossible to believe what they say.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ms-13-is-bad-even-if-trump-says-so/

Help me out here. Who says MS-13 is good? Links, please?

 

[OlNate]

Help me out here. Who says MS-13 is good? Links, please?

In B4 we are all MS-13 members, because we said mean things about Trump.

 

[JackA]

Beating a pregnant woman to death with a baseball bat? Stabbing someone 100 times and then beheading them? Murdering a snitch with a chainsaw? Skin people alive? Burn fingers off with gas torches? Just an ordinary work day for members of MS-13, the horrifically violent gang of Latinos centered mainly around the drug traffic. You name it they've done it. Their motto is "mata, viola, controla," which means "kill, rape, control. They are also into child prostitution. And they are a growing problem in the US. No, I'm not kidding.

And members of the Democratic party and the news media have put themselves in the position of defending MS-13 just because Trump called them "animals".

"Animals" is probably not a strong enough word for MS-13, in addition to being an insult to animals.

Continuing the time honored journalistic tradition of lying through their teeth every chance they get, the New York Times and others attempted to imply that Trump was referring to all immigrants when he used the term. Trump and his press secretary, Sarah Saunders, called them out on that, saying they "knew good and well" that Trump referred to MS-13.

Some decried the "dehumanization" of MS-13. But, as I recall, it was OK to call people who carried Tiki torches in Charleston "subhuman".

Trump vowed to continue to describe MS-13 members as animals despite Democrat pearl clutching.

There is no reason to reject something that is objectively true just because Trump is the one saying it.

In truth, the news media freaks out dishonestly about Trump so much that it's impossible to believe what they say.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ms-13-is-bad-even-if-trump-says-so/

Here is the transcript of Trump's comment. There is nothing in it about MS-13. It is a blanket statement about "people" illegally entering the country:


President Trump: "We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in -- and we’re stopping a lot of them -- but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals. And we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It’s crazy."

Your post continues the dishonored tradition of distorting journalism to suit your politics.

p.s. It's clear the comment is general and not limited to MS-13 because he speaks of "them" coming into the country "at a level and a rate that"s never happened before" and there is no evidence of MS-13 coming in at such a rate.

 

[TheGoverness]

Help me out here. Who says MS-13 is good? Links, please?

Here you go.

LINK DOES NOT EXIST

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Gangs are some of the scum of the earth. They don't give a crap about anybody. It's one thing to kill rival members, its another to kill and terrorize the community. At least with some criminal enterprises, they can be respected by the community becaue the look out for them. gangs just brutalize communities

 

[Casper]

Pretty sad when the supporters of a politician have to keep explaining what he Really meant when he makes public statements. Trump is his own worst enemy.

 

[Ikari]

I'm not certain anyone was making a case that MS-13 was good in any way.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

You are absolutely delusional. The problems you see in Trump are really problems of your own imagination. And you sit there thinking you are so high and mighty on your moral highhorse, but really you are an extremely immoral person by falsely attacking people as racist. Check yourself. Your arguments have turned you into an immoral person, and I don't think that's the type of person you want to be.

I don't understand your claim that his arguments are immoral.

1. Have you ever heard the term dehumanization? Once you believe that a group, any group, is no longer considered human then they no longer have any human rights. Are you saying alleged MS-13 members have no human rights and should be euthanized? Isn't dehumanizing people immoral?

2. Trump's claim that these immigrants are more likely to be rapists is unsubstantiated. He's generalizing about an entire group of people. Isn't making negative generalizations about an entire group of people immoral?

It's clear that he wasn't immoral in his rebuke of the president. Just the opposite, he was defending morality. You're defending dehumanization which is a way of thinking that has a well-known history of leading to atrocities.

 

[FreeWits]

I don't understand your claim that his arguments are immoral.

1. Have you ever heard the term dehumanization? Once you believe that a group, any group, is no longer considered human then they no longer have any human rights. Are you saying alleged MS-13 members have no human rights and should be euthanized? Isn't dehumanizing people immoral?

2. Trump's claim that these immigrants are more likely to be rapists is unsubstantiated. He's generalizing about an entire group of people. Isn't making negative generalizations about an entire group of people immoral?

It's clear that he wasn't immoral in his rebuke of the president. Just the opposite, he was defending morality. You're defending dehumanization which is a way of thinking that has a well-known history of leading to atrocities.

Would you agree that calling one names such as a "racist" is immoral to do if the person is not a racist, because labeling them such can hurt their reputation?

 

[Praxas]

Beating a pregnant woman to death with a baseball bat? Stabbing someone 100 times and then beheading them? Murdering a snitch with a chainsaw? Skin people alive? Burn fingers off with gas torches? Just an ordinary work day for members of MS-13, the horrifically violent gang of Latinos centered mainly around the drug traffic. You name it they've done it. Their motto is "mata, viola, controla," which means "kill, rape, control. They are also into child prostitution. And they are a growing problem in the US. No, I'm not kidding.

And members of the Democratic party and the news media have put themselves in the position of defending MS-13 just because Trump called them "animals".

"Animals" is probably not a strong enough word for MS-13, in addition to being an insult to animals.

Continuing the time honored journalistic tradition of lying through their teeth every chance they get, the New York Times and others attempted to imply that Trump was referring to all immigrants when he used the term. Trump and his press secretary, Sarah Saunders, called them out on that, saying they "knew good and well" that Trump referred to MS-13.

Some decried the "dehumanization" of MS-13. But, as I recall, it was OK to call people who carried Tiki torches in Charleston "subhuman".

Trump vowed to continue to describe MS-13 members as animals despite Democrat pearl clutching.

There is no reason to reject something that is objectively true just because Trump is the one saying it.

In truth, the news media freaks out dishonestly about Trump so much that it's impossible to believe what they say.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ms-13-is-bad-even-if-trump-says-so/

where has anyone defended MS-13 as being good? Please provide that proof.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Beating a pregnant woman to death with a baseball bat? Stabbing someone 100 times and then beheading them? Murdering a snitch with a chainsaw? Skin people alive? Burn fingers off with gas torches? Just an ordinary work day for members of MS-13, the horrifically violent gang of Latinos centered mainly around the drug traffic. You name it they've done it. Their motto is "mata, viola, controla," which means "kill, rape, control. They are also into child prostitution. And they are a growing problem in the US. No, I'm not kidding.

And members of the Democratic party and the news media have put themselves in the position of defending MS-13 just because Trump called them "animals".

"Animals" is probably not a strong enough word for MS-13, in addition to being an insult to animals.

Continuing the time honored journalistic tradition of lying through their teeth every chance they get, the New York Times and others attempted to imply that Trump was referring to all immigrants when he used the term. Trump and his press secretary, Sarah Saunders, called them out on that, saying they "knew good and well" that Trump referred to MS-13.

Some decried the "dehumanization" of MS-13. But, as I recall, it was OK to call people who carried Tiki torches in Charleston "subhuman".

Trump vowed to continue to describe MS-13 members as animals despite Democrat pearl clutching.

There is no reason to reject something that is objectively true just because Trump is the one saying it.

In truth, the news media freaks out dishonestly about Trump so much that it's impossible to believe what they say.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ms-13-is-bad-even-if-trump-says-so/

Yes, I think we'd agree that the MS 13, known as the most violent gang in the USA, is made up of terrible people.

The argument is over whether Trump meant all illegal aliens, or just MS 13 members, at least some of whom are American citizens. If Trump could communicate clearly, which would seem to me an important skill for a president, then there would be no argument over what he said/what he meant.

Oh, and you forgot to call MS 13 "liberals." You're slipping.

 

[Mason66]

Why is the statement Trump was answering with his comment being left out in this conversation?

 

[LowDown]

MS 13 is bad.. sure, but the way Trump said it plus his history on the subject, well.. lets just say it was and is problematic. On top of that, he should not be saying that **** about anyone as a leader of a country. It is undignified to say the least. The media have every right to go after him on it, because it was not clear at all what he was saying (like most things he says), so either Trump and his cronies come officially and state what he meant, or this will continue to fester... why? Because he has called Mexicans for rapists before and shown clear racist attitudes, including supporting the ****ing KKK/Neo Nazi scum bags.

So spare me the attempt to try to rehabilitate this man... let him do it himself, as that is the only way it can be done. He has to make it clear, and apologize for past offenses. But of course we know, he wont do that..

Sorry, Trump is in no need of rehabilitation. Maybe you guys would benefit from an intervention, though.

I think that people appreciate a president who calls a spade a spade.

And there you go again, lying. Trump never supported the KKK or Nazis.

Freak out dishonestly, lose credibility.

 

[LowDown]

Yes, I think we'd agree that the MS 13, known as the most violent gang in the USA, is made up of terrible people.

The argument is over whether Trump meant all illegal aliens, or just MS 13 members, at least some of whom are American citizens. If Trump could communicate clearly, which would seem to me an important skill for a president, then there would be no argument over what he said/what he meant.

Oh, and you forgot to call MS 13 "liberals." You're slipping.

There was no "argument" about who Trump referred to. There was just the MSM lying about it. It's very very clear that Trump was referring to MS-13. So don't repeat lies.

 

[RAMOSS]

Pretty sad when the supporters of a politician have to keep explaining what he Really meant when he makes public statements. Trump is his own worst enemy.

I think this is particularly true when the actual words and context do not match the explanations given.

 

[LowDown]

where has anyone defended MS-13 as being good? Please provide that proof.

I have no obligation to defend statements I never made.

So far the lies are: 1) Trump called all immigrants animals and now this one 2) Trump supporters claimed that Democrats think MS-13 are good people.

 

[LowDown]

Pretty sad when the supporters of a politician have to keep explaining what he Really meant when he makes public statements. Trump is his own worst enemy.

Nope. Trump didn't require explanation. Democrat/MSM lies needed to be called out.

 

[biff_poindexter]

Beating a pregnant woman to death with a baseball bat? Stabbing someone 100 times and then beheading them? Murdering a snitch with a chainsaw? Skin people alive? Burn fingers off with gas torches? Just an ordinary work day for members of MS-13, the horrifically violent gang of Latinos centered mainly around the drug traffic. You name it they've done it. Their motto is "mata, viola, controla," which means "kill, rape, control. They are also into child prostitution. And they are a growing problem in the US. No, I'm not kidding.

And members of the Democratic party and the news media have put themselves in the position of defending MS-13 just because Trump called them "animals".

"Animals" is probably not a strong enough word for MS-13, in addition to being an insult to animals.

Continuing the time honored journalistic tradition of lying through their teeth every chance they get, the New York Times and others attempted to imply that Trump was referring to all immigrants when he used the term. Trump and his press secretary, Sarah Saunders, called them out on that, saying they "knew good and well" that Trump referred to MS-13.

Some decried the "dehumanization" of MS-13. But, as I recall, it was OK to call people who carried Tiki torches in Charleston "subhuman".

Trump vowed to continue to describe MS-13 members as animals despite Democrat pearl clutching.

There is no reason to reject something that is objectively true just because Trump is the one saying it.

In truth, the news media freaks out dishonestly about Trump so much that it's impossible to believe what they say.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ms-13-is-bad-even-if-trump-says-so/

I personally was not and will never be on board with how all these liberals have been praising MS-13 members -- even going so far as to advocate MS-13 members be exempt from laws like rape and murder -- anything for votes I guess

 

[Dittohead not!]

There was no "argument" about who Trump referred to. There was just the MSM lying about it. It's very very clear that Trump was referring to MS-13. So don't repeat lies.

DP members debated the issue for 24 pages and counting. His words were not clear:

SHERIFF MIMS: Thank you. There could be an MS-13 member I know about -- if they don’t reach a certain threshold, I cannot tell ICE about it.

source
THE PRESIDENT: We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in -- and we’re stopping a lot of them -- but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals. And we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It’s crazy.

Yes, he probably meant the MS 13, but read the words he used. Trump does not communicate well.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I personally was not and will never be on board with how all these liberals have been praising MS-13 members -- even going so far as to advocate MS-13 members be exempt from laws like rape and murder -- anything for votes I guess

Aha! Finally, someone linking MS 13 to "liberals."

Please link to the post where a "liberal" praised MS 13.

 

[LowDown]

I personally was not and will never be on board with how all these liberals have been praising MS-13 members -- even going so far as to advocate MS-13 members be exempt from laws like rape and murder -- anything for votes I guess

Droll.

I'm not entirely sure what Democrat's objections to what Trump said were. Some claim, apparently, that they can read Trump's mind and that what he was actually saying was that all immigrants are animals. Which, of course, is a lie. Or delusional. Some are unhappy with the "dehumanization" of MS-13. They don't like dehumanizing people; except when it's Republicans or Conservatives, or NRA members, in which case they do it enthusiastically.

There are some Democratic city politicans in Chicago who reportedly actually do deals with gangs for votes, but I've never heard of any of them defending MS-13 as such.

Scott Adams has a 12 step plan for Trump Derangement Syndrome on his blog you guys might want to check out.

Freak out dishonestly about Trump too much and you lose all credibility.