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War criminal Gina Haspel confirmed

Nap said:
Arguments like these are where I wonder what happened to those on the Left supposedly being more creative. There are many possible ways to question them in order to verify if they are telling the truth especially if you have multiple people you are questioning. For one, these aren't people going into the interrogation blind they will typically have verifiable information in hand already that can be used as a baseline then once it is confirmed you know they are telling the truth you sprinkle in the questions you don't know the answer to among those you do and then compare the results among the other detainees. This would dramatically increase the likelihood of getting actionable intel. If I can come up with that, then I am sure people that it is their job to figure out this sort of thing have several more ideas that would help get the truth.
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I once talked to a person that had served in Vietnam and asked him if he was tortured would he talk. His answer kind of answers your question about telling the truth. He said," I would tell them everything I know and would make up what I didn't". The last gives you an idea of what people will say to get out of toture. And the idea that you can determine if something is true by torturing two people, well who is telling the truth. Even with three people. And the idea that they might all have decided before hand on what to tell if they were captured, well that also might make you think.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Oh, come on. Almost all of these women on the right wing are just props like Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann for gray-haired, white-males behind the scene running things.
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Oh, so you mean that Palin, Bachmann and other conservative women are being told what to say while Pelosi, Warren and Waters are actually spouting their own thoughts? I'm not sure that spreading that around is going to work in your favor.:lol:
 
independentusa said:
I once talked to a person that had served in Vietnam and asked him if he was tortured would he talk. His answer kind of answers your question about telling the truth. He said," I would tell them everything I know and would make up what I didn't". The last gives you an idea of what people will say to get out of toture. And the idea that you can determine if something is true by torturing two people, well who is telling the truth. Even with three people. And the idea that they might all have decided before hand on what to tell if they were captured, well that also might make you think.
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Like I said, that was simply a quick response that would likely lead to more accurate Intel and if I can come up with that then people that do this for living and actually spend more than 10 minutes contemplating how to get valid Intel from a suspect should be able to come up with much better ideas.
 
Nap said:
Arguments like these are where I wonder what happened to those on the Left supposedly being more creative. There are many possible ways to question them in order to verify if they are telling the truth especially if you have multiple people you are questioning. For one, these aren't people going into the interrogation blind they will typically have verifiable information in hand already that can be used as a baseline then once it is confirmed you know they are telling the truth you sprinkle in the questions you don't know the answer to among those you do and then compare the results among the other detainees. This would dramatically increase the likelihood of getting actionable intel. If I can come up with that, then I am sure people that it is their job to figure out this sort of thing have several more ideas that would help get the truth.
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Arguments like that are where the right got its reputation for brainless sadism. Your entire argument revolves around capturing multiple individuals to torture(not easy in the first place when it comes to jihadis) ignores the compartmentalization factor(even if you do catch multiple people, the very nature of cell based operations means they might not know the info you need in the first place) and relies on terrorists.....telling the truth.

You start to see the problem with your "logic" yet?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Arguments like that are where the right got its reputation for brainless sadism. Your entire argument revolves around capturing multiple individuals to torture(not easy in the first place when it comes to jihadis) ignores the compartmentalization factor(even if you do catch multiple people, the very nature of cell based operations means they might not know the info you need in the first place) and relies on terrorists.....telling the truth.

You start to see the problem with your "logic" yet?
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You have no idea how intelligence gathering works. It's all pieces of the puzzle.
 
vegas giants said:
You have no idea how intelligence gathering works. It's all pieces of the puzzle.
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It’s rather hard to put a puzzle together when you get the wrong pieces via idiotic, immoral, and ineffective intelligence gathering methods.
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't care about some hypothetical scenario. This is addressing what she actually oversaw in real life: brutal torture methods implemented on suspected terrorists. Torture is absolutely immoral, and I am opposed to all forms of torture, I could care less if it's being implemented on suspected terrorists. Regardless of the situation. The U.S should not advocate or support torture--period.

That is my opinion and that's not gonna change.
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Keep this honorable opinion. I thank you for it.
...and hope you never see what some us have seen or done, that has hardened our hearts.
 
TurtleDude said:
guy I knew many years ago was a colonial military inspector for her Majesty in Kenya. Mau Mau rebellion took place. His ultimate superior -top military officer responsible for the colony told him "to do what needed to be done without the queen hearing about it". Mau Mau cell tortured and murdered the sister of the Inspector's Sgt-Major (a member of the same tribal group that produced the mau mau) after brutally raping her. Same cell slaughtered several British citizens. One Mau mau was wounded by one of the victims and was captured.

harsh methods were used. the entire cell's location was divulged. the inspector and his SM killed a bunch of them through stealth and sniper fire. Hurricanes napalmed the rest. torture worked when the target had the information.
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...Something Of Value...
 
Tigerace117 said:
It’s rather hard to put a puzzle together when you get the wrong pieces via idiotic, immoral, and ineffective intelligence gathering methods.
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I'm curious, if you have the leader of a terrorist group and you need information out of him, how would you go about getting it? Milk and Cookies?
 
TheGoverness said:
How about her use of torture, and trying to cover it up later on. That is plenty enough for me to despise her. I do not support our government using brutal torture methods, even on suspected terrorists. So yes, I despise her, and no, I'm not changing my opinion on her. Could care less that she's a woman.



Um. Okay?
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If a terrorist got your most loved family members and left with them to go kill them, but one terrorist got caught and he knows where you’re most loved family members are at, and you only got a small amount of time before their murdered, you could get the location by torturing the one terrorist they caught. But you’re saying you would let your family die before you waterboard the terrorist. Is that what you’re saying, if so does your family know this?


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Tigerace117 said:
It’s rather hard to put a puzzle together when you get the wrong pieces via idiotic, immoral, and ineffective intelligence gathering methods.
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No pieces are wrong. This is what you do not understand. You have a very tiny view of intelligence gathering
 
Fledermaus said:
Which war crime was she convicted of?
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If a person is never caught after murdering someone, if he escapes the criminal justice system, is he still a murderer? You know, like the old cop arrested in California last few weeks for those murders years ago?

Yes, of course a person is a murderer. He may never have been convicted, but he is still a murderer.

Gina condoned and facilitated torture. Former CIA agent John Kiriakou has written of it, and so have others. That makes her a torturer and war criminal.

Likely that is all just a bit too complex for you to grasp Maus, so nothing is new in that department.
 
Thoreau72 said:
If a person is never caught after murdering someone, if he escapes the criminal justice system, is he still a murderer? You know, like the old cop arrested in California last few weeks for those murders years ago?

Yes, of course a person is a murderer. He may never have been convicted, but he is still a murderer.

Gina condoned and facilitated torture. Former CIA agent John Kiriakou has written of it, and so have others. That makes her a torturer and war criminal.

Likely that is all just a bit too complex for you to grasp Maus, so nothing is new in that department.
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So, so hasn't been convicted. Libel noted.
 
vegas giants said:
No pieces are wrong. This is what you do not understand. You have a very tiny view of intelligence gathering
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False; torturing captured individuals easily leads to bad intel. In case you missed it, outright lies and telling what they think we want to hear rather than the truth is not useful in any way, shape or form.

You have no view of the process whatsoever; your handwringing in defense of torture fails to come up with any relevant points.
 
Tigerace117 said:
False; torturing captured individuals easily leads to bad intel. In case you missed it, outright lies and telling what they think we want to hear rather than the truth is not useful in any way, shape or form.

You have no view of the process whatsoever; your handwringing in defense of torture fails to come up with any relevant points.
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Are you an expert at intelligence gathering? I will put my faith in the experts. Thanks
 
Tigerace117 said:
I hate to break it to you—the experts have overwhelmingly rejected torture.
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Uh.....I hate to break it to you.....the experts committed the torture. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
Uh.....I hate to break it to you.....the experts committed the torture. Lol
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Oh really? So every member of the CIA, DIA, NSA, etc committed torture? You don’t have a clue. Lol.
 
vegas giants said:
Every member? How odd? Who said that? Lol
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You said “the experts”.

Yes, your entire argument is odd, in that it is based on total nonsense.

You humiliating yourself is quite funny though.
 
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