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The AP deletes Tweet criticizing Trump for "animals" comment

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https://twitter.com/AP/status/997138543817449472

"AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members."

They really should have known better from the start, but I'm glad they corrected their error.
 
FreeWits said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/997138543817449472

"AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members."

They really should have known better from the start, but I'm glad they corrected their error.
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Well from the question does still stand because his reply does seem to be all encompassinh. Maybe the Donald should think out his replies better beforehand, oh the statement was made live so not sure why the Twit would be dropped, just add a qualifier.
 
FreeWits said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/997138543817449472

"AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members."

They really should have known better from the start, but I'm glad they corrected their error.
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Honestly, this is one of the things I hate about news agencies on twitter.

I get the fact that if they're not on twitter they feel like they'll "lose out" to other outlets that use twitter to report the news.

The problem is that in the rush to be the first, the normal levels of editorial review and contextual digging that you'd expect out of actual, legitimate, traditional "media" just doesn't happen anymore in the realm of twitter, blogs, online articles, etc. Due to that, you run into **** like this that frankly damages the credibility of legitimate news agencies and frankly should cause any observant and objective person to question and wait for more information anytime something "Breaks" over twitter or onto a news agencies web site.

The rush to be first caused this news to be misrepresented, which is sadly all to common. What is also too common is the typical response to this by many of those that read it.

1. See the misrepresented headline and story, get up in arms about it
2. Put out correction at a point where only the die hards are still paying attention to "new" stuff on the story
3. Have those die hards shrug off the correction and act like the misrepresentation was what was actually "meant" even if it wasn't what was actually "said", and continue to have the same level of indignation over it
 
Zyphlin said:
Honestly, this is one of the things I hate about news agencies on twitter.

I get the fact that if they're not on twitter they feel like they'll "lose out" to other outlets that use twitter to report the news.

The problem is that in the rush to be the first, the normal levels of editorial review and contextual digging that you'd expect out of actual, legitimate, traditional "media" just doesn't happen anymore in the realm of twitter, blogs, online articles, etc. Due to that, you run into **** like this that frankly damages the credibility of legitimate news agencies and frankly should cause any observant and objective person to question and wait for more information anytime something "Breaks" over twitter or onto a news agencies web site.

The rush to be first caused this news to be misrepresented, which is sadly all to common. What is also too common is the typical response to this by many of those that read it.

1. See the misrepresented headline and story, get up in arms about it
2. Put out correction at a point where only the die hards are still paying attention to "new" stuff on the story
3. Have those die hards shrug off the correction and act like the misrepresentation was what was actually "meant" even if it wasn't what was actually "said", and continue to have the same level of indignation over it
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Excellent post! :thumbs:
 
Oh, good grief! He called them rapists in another context. Do you really think he is above insulting different ethnic groups, ****hole countries, women, etc.? As Jesus put it, Trump supporters strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

And it would be nice if sometime Never Apologize Trump would correct an error or two.
 
The AP was not wrong to delete because they had done sloppy work in posting in the first place.

However they could have made an argument on firmer footing that would have stuck and even been an interesting piece though it would have been journalist and not news.

The fact is unless you are utterly bought into creationism and good luck to you on that score, we are all mammals as in all animals. So Trump's comment is either an admission that he is a creationist or its simply sloppy use of language. There are plenty of useful words to use if Trump wants to insinuate their vileness. Heck its not even hard. Just requires a vocabulary beyond what you might pick up at the local convenience store.
 
jnug said:
The AP was not wrong to delete because they had done sloppy work in posting in the first place.

However they could have made an argument on firmer footing that would have stuck and even been an interesting piece though it would have been journalist and not news.

The fact is unless you are utterly bought into creationism and good luck to you on that score, we are all mammals as in all animals. So Trump's comment is either an admission that he is a creationist or its simply sloppy use of language. There are plenty of useful words to use if Trump wants to insinuate their vileness. Heck its not even hard. Just requires a vocabulary beyond what you might pick up at the local convenience store.
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I think everyone is aware Trump was being hyperbolic rather than scientific in his language.
 
Nickyjo said:
Oh, good grief! He called them rapists in another context. Do you really think he is above insulting different ethnic groups, ****hole countries, women, etc.? As Jesus put it, Trump supporters strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

And it would be nice if sometime Never Apologize Trump would correct an error or two.
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Of course Trump isn’t above that. It just isn’t what happened in this case. And journalists shouldn’t misrepresent the facts, whether intentionally or due to lazy journalism.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I think everyone is aware Trump was being hyperbolic rather than scientific in his language.
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Hyperbole is often simply sloppy use of language and depending on the topic could be dangerous as all get out.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I think everyone is aware Trump was being hyperbolic rather than scientific in his language.
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Yes that is exactly what you want from Leader of a country with nuclear power.

I can imagine it now...He yammering "We can kill and wipe out those chinese, Russians and North Koreans....Lets launch!"

What he meant was, we can come a head in the negotiations with Russians, Chinese and North Koreans....Now let's have lunch!

Diving Mullah
 
FreeWits said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/997138543817449472

"AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members."

They really should have known better from the start, but I'm glad they corrected their error.
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That doesn't stop dishonest right wingers with no shame from taking Obama's comments out of context, who was a much better speaker and his intentions much more clear than that bumbling idiot Trump. Even to this day they go one and on about it, for example the "you didn't build that" as well as along list of others.

Anyway, Trump has said a bunch of nasty, racist things about hispanic immigrants and many other people in the past.

But there is no need to play rhetoric with trump and play the dirty right winger's game, there are so much facts to criticize Trump on, no need to give the dishonest hacks a dumb thing to try and deflect and pretend to be the victim to avoid their lack of arguments

Casper said:
Well from the question does still stand because his reply does seem to be all encompassinh. Maybe the Donald should think out his replies better beforehand, oh the statement was made live so not sure why the Twit would be dropped, just add a qualifier.
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Yup, Imagine being a bumbling idiots and saying something stupid in serious negotiations or when dealing with foreign leaders? Not thinking and speaking clearly can create wars
 
Diving Mullah said:
Yes that is exactly what you want from Leader of a country with nuclear power.

I can imagine it now...He yammering "We can kill and wipe out those chinese, Russians and North Koreans....Lets launch!"

What he meant was, we can come a head in the negotiations with Russians, Chinese and North Koreans....Now let's have lunch!

Diving Mullah
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I never said it was a good thing.
 
FreeWits said:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/997138543817449472

"AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members."

They really should have known better from the start, but I'm glad they corrected their error.
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Good decision -- Trump wasn't calling all Hispanics animals, this was a major reach by liberals -- but.....both sides do it :mrgreen:
 
jnug said:
Hyperbole is often simply sloppy use of language and depending on the topic could be dangerous as all get out.
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Don't disagree with you there. I'm not a fan of hyperbolic language and it absolutely can cause problems.

However, here's the issue...

The problems posed by sloppy language is very different than the problems posed by literal language.

I.E.

I say the following about a friend of mine: "I don't want it, but he's going to **** me in the ass tonight"...

If I'm being literal with my language, the problem presented is that he's going to rape me. That's a problem and there's all sorts of manner of recourse that needs to happen there, none of which really have to do with HOW I'm talking about it.

If I'm being sloppy with my language, and in reality he's planning to take me out to the bar with the intent to get me **** faced drunk, then the problem presented by my language and the things that need to be dealt with are very different.

Trumps continual and repeated use of hyperbole and heated rhetoric is definitely a problematic thing in my mind. However, it's a VERY different problem then is presented by those who continually attempt to take him in the most literal and problematic ways possible...and it's a problem that has a very different set of solutions and consequences as well.

Pointing out that it's hyperbole isn't necessarily saying "it's okay". Rather, it's saying that the problems people are pointing to, or the supposed consequences to those problems, are incorrect because they're predicated off of bad logic (that it's literal, not hyperbolic).

So I don't disagree that sloppy use of language can be dangerous...but the fact it's dangerous doesn't justify pretending that it's literal. If anything, pretending that it's literal is actually presenting double the amount of danger, as it keeps the person from addressing the actual issues of the sloppy language while at the same time having them focused on a problem that's not even there.
 
This situation is entering "fake but accurate" territory.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I never said it was a good thing.
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Welcome to the life of anyone who isn't diehard anti-Trump.

To be truly Anti-Trump, you must don your Machiavellian colors; the ends always justify the means. Point out that something isn't actually what's being presented and that inherently and automatically means you must support Trump or think it's perfectly fine. Because unless you're condemning him at all times, in the most extreme of fashions, then you obviously must be completely supporting him.
 
The problem I have with articles like this is that there is a legitimate story here about how Trump doesn't understand that the rise in deportations does not mean there is a rise in deportations of MS-13 members specifically. The AP could've used his comments to write about how Trump seems grossly unaware of why the rate of deportations has increased. It isn't because they are finally getting rid of all the evil rapists and criminals. The reason deportations are up is because the current administration is allowing ICE to go after softer targets to boost their numbers. Instead, we get this limp dick article misrepresenting what Trump said.
 
Zyphlin said:
Don't disagree with you there. I'm not a fan of hyperbolic language and it absolutely can cause problems.

However, here's the issue...

The problems posed by sloppy language is very different than the problems posed by literal language.

I.E.

I say the following about a friend of mine: "I don't want it, but he's going to **** me in the ass tonight"...

If I'm being literal with my language, the problem presented is that he's going to rape me. That's a problem and there's all sorts of manner of recourse that needs to happen there, none of which really have to do with HOW I'm talking about it.

If I'm being sloppy with my language, and in reality he's planning to take me out to the bar with the intent to get me **** faced drunk, then the problem presented by my language and the things that need to be dealt with are very different.

Trumps continual and repeated use of hyperbole and heated rhetoric is definitely a problematic thing in my mind. However, it's a VERY different problem then is presented by those who continually attempt to take him in the most literal and problematic ways possible...and it's a problem that has a very different set of solutions and consequences as well.

Pointing out that it's hyperbole isn't necessarily saying "it's okay". Rather, it's saying that the problems people are pointing to, or the supposed consequences to those problems, are incorrect because they're predicated off of bad logic (that it's literal, not hyperbolic).

So I don't disagree that sloppy use of language can be dangerous...but the fact it's dangerous doesn't justify pretending that it's literal. If anything, pretending that it's literal is actually presenting double the amount of danger, as it keeps the person from addressing the actual issues of the sloppy language while at the same time having them focused on a problem that's not even there.
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You are absolutely right and you beat me to my own next post.

If I were to take the other side of the discussion, that being that Trump was just using Hyperbole, where does that take us.

"These people are animals".

Well OK if Trump was being hyperbolic, is it hyperbole aimed at the rest of us? Is he saying that we are all capable of the vile things he wants to say but appears incapable of articulating about the actual subjects of his outrage? In fact, one can make the case that even if that were his intent, since nobody can really know what seed of violence or sociopathic or even psychopathic nonsense might be lurking behind a person's eyeballs that might have been the most accurate interpretation of what he actually said.

Finally while some are utterly thrilled with Trump's colloquial use of language I am detested by it. We don't elect these people because we would like them to be on the next barstool over from us and if that is why we are electing people, we need our heads examined.
 
jnug said:
"These people are animals".

Well OK if Trump was being hyperbolic, is it hyperbole aimed at the rest of us?
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No. It was "aimed" at MS-13. There is no question about this.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
That doesn't stop dishonest right wingers with no shame from taking Obama's comments out of context, who was a much better speaker and his intentions much more clear than that bumbling idiot Trump. Even to this day they go one and on about it, for example the "you didn't build that" as well as along list of others.
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What does that matter to me?
 
Harshaw said:
No. It was "aimed" at MS-13. There is no question about this.
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Well if that is the case that takes me back to where I was in the thread. Trump is either a creationist or he is complimenting the gang members on their humanity since we are all actually animals.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Of course Trump isn’t above that. It just isn’t what happened in this case. And journalists shouldn’t misrepresent the facts, whether intentionally or due to lazy journalism.
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True. Neither should presidents.
 
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