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Why do conservatives always separate liberals/Democrats and blacks?

longview said:
The reason I cite this is because, that seems to be the turning point, to a long gradual process.
Many decades later, Vietnamese refugees followed a path similar to the one laid out by Washington.
Think of the stereotypes of the Vietnamese today, hard working professionals!
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It's cyclical.

Blacks have been rewarded for their service after major conflicts. Each time they get attacked by racists. Racists are currently trying to roll back Black gains, and they have been partly successful. Remains to be seen if things will continue to get worse.
 
Puigb said:
This is something I've generally noticed. Even though Black Americans overwhelmingly support the Democrats, and support politicians who lean to the left, for some reason conservatives (when bashing liberals/Democrats) always separate liberals/Democrats and blacks. They'll say liberals are keeping blacks on a "Democrat plantation". But since blacks more than anyone else in the United States Vote for Democrats/left leaning politicians, doesn't that make them liberals/Democrats? Why separate them from the white Democrats?
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Simple, because the power structure in the Democratic party, in the liberal media and in liberal academia is overwhelmingly white. They are the ones driving the narrative for other Democrats. How better to keep a group voting for you than to convince them that the other side hates and wants to do harm to them?
 
Puigb said:
This is something I've generally noticed. Even though Black Americans overwhelmingly support the Democrats, and support politicians who lean to the left, for some reason conservatives (when bashing liberals/Democrats) always separate liberals/Democrats and blacks. They'll say liberals are keeping blacks on a "Democrat plantation". But since blacks more than anyone else in the United States Vote for Democrats/left leaning politicians, doesn't that make them liberals/Democrats? Why separate them from the white Democrats?
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That's an interesting point. I think it has more to do with an effort to try and target black voters and hopefully pull them to the other side. It's a pretty standard political tactic. Just sling a ton of mud at your opponents and hope a few people actually buy it. The right doesn't really have a policy set that would help African Americans so that's all they have.
 
late said:
It's cyclical.

Blacks have been rewarded for their service after major conflicts. Each time they get attacked by racists. Racists are currently trying to roll back Black gains, and they have been partly successful. Remains to be seen if things will continue to get worse.
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I think this stems from the flawed fundamental ideals of Du Bois.
 
Interesting that so many people do not actually know they are a racist....
 
late said:
How so?
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We tell our children that respect is earned, and rightly so.
Booker T. Washington, understood that it would take several generations of hard work,
for the descendants of the freed slaves to be accepted as equals.
Starting as skilled labor, each generation would advance in gradual steps, raising the entire population ,
until finally they could occupy to professional roles.
By which time the perceptions of blacks would be that they are smart and hard working.
Du Bois, envisioned an elite class of Blacks who would lead and set an example for others to follow.
Since Du Bois ideals won the day, and we can see that it did not work out so well,
is it so wrong to assume that Washington's path would have been better?
 
Puigb said:
This is something I've generally noticed. Even though Black Americans overwhelmingly support the Democrats, and support politicians who lean to the left, for some reason conservatives (when bashing liberals/Democrats) always separate liberals/Democrats and blacks. They'll say liberals are keeping blacks on a "Democrat plantation". But since blacks more than anyone else in the United States Vote for Democrats/left leaning politicians, doesn't that make them liberals/Democrats? Why separate them from the white Democrats?
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Well, to start... even though Blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat, they are much less likely to identify as "liberal" and more likely to identify as "moderate" than non-blacks.
 
Puigb said:
This is something I've generally noticed. Even though Black Americans overwhelmingly support the Democrats, and support politicians who lean to the left, for some reason conservatives (when bashing liberals/Democrats) always separate liberals/Democrats and blacks. They'll say liberals are keeping blacks on a "Democrat plantation". But since blacks more than anyone else in the United States Vote for Democrats/left leaning politicians, doesn't that make them liberals/Democrats? Why separate them from the white Democrats?
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Huey Freeman said:
I'm not watching some sunken place trash talk about being a Republican. That video was made for white folks, not us. Voting Democrat does not make one a "race traitor"? Yeah, OK. Race traitor isn't even in our lexicon. That's your white supremacist newspeak. Nikki Minaj is a Republican. We rock her music. Condi Rice is a Republican, we like her. Colin Powell is a Republican, we like him more.
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Hmm... really?

Let's get some definitions out of the way for those who don't know what you just said:

"Sunken Place" trash:

When one is in a perpetual place of slumber, regarding systematic and idiosyncratic injustice and oppression in regards to race, i.e. the antithesis of being woke. Especially when a person of color can't or refuses to see it.
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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sunken place

So you've just called an educated, intelligent Black woman making a well-reasoned argument "sunken place trash." Thus dismissing her opinions and experiences as so many members of the Black Community seem to do when faced with someone who does not conform with your victimhood worldview.

Next, I never said voting for Democrats made one a race traitor. I said NOT voting for Democrats does not make one a race traitor. Yet Black Americans who argue against the victimhood narrative, like Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Clarence Weaver, Walter Williams, etc., etc., are denigrated by members of the community for arguing self-reliance, personal responsibility, and independent thought. Called "Uncle Toms, house-N's, and even 'Colin' (referring to acting white like Colin Powell)" to name just a few demonstrate antipathy for people considered race traitors. The term "race traitor" does not have to be in a "lexicon," if just has to be expressed via the use of terms meant to convey the idea.

I am not white, nor am I expressing any "white supremacist newspeak." Neither is the person in that video, nor any other of the many Black's who don't buy into your narrative.

I am expressing an opinion based on growing up in the Black Community over 60 plus years, and seeing the difference over decades between those who made a success of their lives in our society, and those who blame everyone else for their misfortunes.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Hmm... really?

Let's get some definitions out of the way for those who don't know what you just said:

"Sunken Place" trash:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sunken place

So you've just called an educated, intelligent Black woman making a well-reasoned argument "sunken place trash." Thus dismissing her opinions and experiences as so many members of the Black Community seem to do when faced with someone who does not conform with your victimhood worldview.

Next, I never said voting for Democrats made one a race traitor. I said NOT voting for Democrats does not make one a race traitor. Yet Black Americans who argue against the victimhood narrative, like Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Clarence Weaver, Walter Williams, etc., etc., are denigrated by members of the community for arguing self-reliance, personal responsibility, and independent thought. Called "Uncle Toms, house-N's, and even 'Colin' (referring to acting white like Colin Powell)" to name just a few demonstrate antipathy for people considered race traitors. The term "race traitor" does not have to be in a "lexicon," if just has to be expressed via the use of terms meant to convey the idea.

I am not white, nor am I expressing any "white supremacist newspeak." Neither is the person in that video, nor any other of the many Black's who don't buy into your narrative.

I am expressing an opinion based on growing up in the Black Community over 60 plus years, and seeing the difference over decades between those who made a success of their lives in our society, and those who blame everyone else for their misfortunes.
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You don't have to be white to use white supremacist newspeak. Exhibit A.
 
Taylor said:
Well, to start... even though Blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat, they are much less likely to identify as "liberal" and more likely to identify as "moderate" than non-blacks.
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And yet, they support liberal policies and politicians more than anyone else.
 
veritas1 said:
Simple, because the power structure in the Democratic party, in the liberal media and in liberal academia is overwhelmingly white. They are the ones driving the narrative for other Democrats. How better to keep a group voting for you than to convince them that the other side hates and wants to do harm to them?
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You're right about that, it's how the GOP stays in power and how Trump won the presidency.
 
Puigb said:
You're right about that, it's how the GOP stays in power and how Trump won the presidency.
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We already know liberals hate us. They make that clear all the time. However, that wasn't the topic was it?
 
Puigb said:
And yet, they support liberal policies and politicians more than anyone else.
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No, you're just confused about liberals and democrats.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Yes, Black people can be conservatives...and still blindly vote Democratic.



Those who do really need to stop. Thankfully, it appears that support is slowly changing.

I don't vote party, I vote candidate. IMO more and more of my peers are also starting to do so.

Blanket loyalty to the Democratic party, however it began, is IMO (and as pointed out in her video) the wrong way to think.

Think (and vote) freely is better.
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If white people were free thinkers they wouldn't vote Republican so much.

Except rich people of course.
 
Taylor said:
No, you're just confused about liberals and democrats.
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I'm not confused at all. I think blacks know exactly what politicians and policies they support.
 
Puigb said:
I'm not confused at all. I think blacks know exactly what politicians and policies they support.
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Of course they do. It's you that's having a hard time, lol.
 
Taylor said:
Of course they do. It's you that's having a hard time, lol.
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I'm not having a hard time. The ones having a hard time are GOP voters as they ponder why so many people reject their ideology. Instead, they'll deflect and come up with excuses for their failures by rambling on about mythical "plantations".
 
But conservatism is dead. The real conservatives like Romney or McCain are out. It’s now a Donald Trump and Roy Moore party. Blacks are not welcome in a party trying to preserve European culture and fighting back against diversity.


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