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Hundreds of Immigrant Children Have Been Taken From Parents at U.S. Border

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For months, members of Congress have been demanding answers about how many families are being separated as they are processed at stations along the southwest border, in part because the Trump administration has in the past said it was considering taking children from their parents as a way to deter migrants from coming here.

Officials have repeatedly declined to provide data on how many families have been separated, but suggested that the number was relatively low.

But new data reviewed by The New York Times shows that more than 700 children have been taken from adults claiming to be their parents since October, including more than 100 children under the age of 4.
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Children removed from their families are taken to shelters run by nongovernmental organizations. There, workers seek to identify a relative or guardian in the United States who can take over the child’s care. But if no such adult is available, the children can languish in custody indefinitely. Operators of these facilities say they are often unable to locate the parents of separated children because the children arrive without proper records.

Once a child has entered the shelter system, there is no firm process to determine whether they have been separated from someone who was legitimately their parent, or for reuniting parents and children who had been mistakenly separated, said a Border Patrol official, who was not authorized to discuss the agency’s policies publicly.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/immigrant-children-separation-ice.html

Wow, just wow. I can think of no valid reason to justify this, and find this practice completely and utterly in contempt. In my opinion this is a human rights violation, and the courts or congress needs to step in and put an end to it.
 
The new "compassionate conservatism"
 
ThoughtEx. said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/immigrant-children-separation-ice.html

Wow, just wow. I can think of no valid reason to justify this, and find this practice completely and utterly in contempt. In my opinion this is a human rights violation, and the courts or congress needs to step in and put an end to it.
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From your link:

Homeland security officials said the agency does not separate families at the border for deterrence purposes. “As required by law, D.H.S. must protect the best interests of minor children crossing our borders, and occasionally this results in separating children from an adult they are traveling with if we cannot ascertain the parental relationship, or if we think the child is otherwise in danger,” a spokesman for the agency said in a statement.
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Nothing wrong with that.
 
HowardBThiname said:
From your link:



Nothing wrong with that.
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Yeah, only people drinking the kool aid is buying that. You think they are going to admit to it? You think any official release on the subject is going to do anything but paint them in the best possible light?

No, 700 kids 100 of them under 4, that's more than suspicious considering Trumps stated intentions. No way to return them to their parents, stuck in limbo if they can't find any other relatives. This is not acceptable.
 
I guess that the idea of a "compassionate conservative" ranks no response in this forum. I was listening to Washington Journal this morning, and a right wing caller called in whining about the amount of money the country spends on immigrants. Then he brought up how homeless veterans deserved the money, not the refugees. There have been homeless veterans living on the streets since the end of the Vietnam conflict, and more have joined them since the Iraq invasion began. In this amount of time those on the right have supported giving trillions to the 1-10% while demanding that entitlements be cut. Is that what America has become where three men, Gates, Buffett, and Bezos (none of whom have served their country) have more wealth then over 50% of the people in this country? And then one whines about the amount of money spent on refugees from war torn countries, or from violence in other parts of the world. Is that what we as a nation have become? Is this what we now stand for:

https://www.thenation.com/article/for-trump-cruelty-is-the-point/
 
Old Trapper said:
I guess that the idea of a "compassionate conservative" ranks no response in this forum. I was listening to Washington Journal this morning, and a right wing caller called in whining about the amount of money the country spends on immigrants. Then he brought up how homeless veterans deserved the money, not the refugees. There have been homeless veterans living on the streets since the end of the Vietnam conflict, and more have joined them since the Iraq invasion began. In this amount of time those on the right have supported giving trillions to the 1-10% while demanding that entitlements be cut. Is that what America has become where three men, Gates, Buffett, and Bezos (none of whom have served their country) have more wealth then over 50% of the people in this country? And then one whines about the amount of money spent on refugees from war torn countries, or from violence in other parts of the world. Is that what we as a nation have become? Is this what we now stand for:

https://www.thenation.com/article/for-trump-cruelty-is-the-point/
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Over and over I've listened to rightwingers complain about the money we spend on non-citizens, saying it should go to our own people. To our homeless veterans or our hungry children. But when the subject of funding for homeless veterans is brought up they'll say that the veterans knew what they were signing up for and if they can't cut it now they're losers who made bad choices (so the veterans don't deserve financial help). Same with the hungry children -- except it's a bit fuzzier how it's the children's fault, so answers get a bit mumbly.

The GOP uses veterans and "our own poor" as a rhetorical prop, and then it's "look! squirrel!" when it's time to actually do something for vulnerable populations.

That's one big reason I'm no longer GOP. When the GOP stonewalled legislation to help jobless veterans, just to avoid giving Obama a win, that was the beginning of the end for me.
 
Old Trapper said:
OK. Your opinion is more "persuasive" then that of those who actually investigated the matter.
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According to your link, "those who actually investigated" were "advocates." You realize that's going to slant the story, right?

However, you link also mentions something else, the fact that entering illegally is a federal crime and if the parents are charged, the children must be protected and taken elsewhere.

What do you think is happening? Do you think they are stealing the children? I'm pretty sure our nation doesn't want them - we have enough adoptable children here as it is. But, if we're going to charge the parents with a crime, you understand that we can't leave the children with them. Personally, I think my link was more well-rounded than yours.

And, keep in mind that this is not a new development.
http://thehill.com/regulation/208397-immigration-activists-protest-obamas-deportation-policy
 
So here is the problem with the argument supporting this nonsense as a "compassionate" program. DACA...enough said?

When it comes to Immigrants, the GOP and the Right currently in control of the government has the compassion of a 2x4. Can't have it both ways. Can't suddenly turn ruthless indifference into compassion at the drop of a hat.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/immigrant-children-separation-ice.html

Wow, just wow. I can think of no valid reason to justify this, and find this practice completely and utterly in contempt. In my opinion this is a human rights violation, and the courts or congress needs to step in and put an end to it.
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If people arrive to the border with no documentation of any kind, are you going to take their word for it that the children belong to them when we know human traffickers are among those people?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Yeah, only people drinking the kool aid is buying that. You think they are going to admit to it? You think any official release on the subject is going to do anything but paint them in the best possible light?

No, 700 kids 100 of them under 4, that's more than suspicious considering Trumps stated intentions. No way to return them to their parents, stuck in limbo if they can't find any other relatives. This is not acceptable.
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How could anybody with any sense of protecting the child, travel to the border with a baby or a child under 4.

Yes those children need to be taken away from people that put their lives in mortal danger.
 
Mason66 said:
If people arrive to the border with no documentation of any kind, are you going to take their word for it that the children belong to them when we know human traffickers are among those people?
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Listen to yourself, we have no way to prove those children do or do not belong to anyone. We are taking children from people, with little or no proof of wrongdoing, without a means of returning those children. Without due process.

It's horrendously bad, there is no way to justify it. None.
 
Mason66 said:
How could anybody with any sense of protecting the child, travel to the border with a baby or a child under 4.

Yes those children need to be taken away from people that put their lives in mortal danger.
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No, their parents are bringing them to a safer country to escape violence.


Trump is trying to deter people by taking their kids, your defending it. This is monstrous. And a human rights violation. And why people are calling you lot Nazis, because you defend **** like this tooth and nail.

Now **** off, nazi piece of ****.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Listen to yourself, we have no way to prove those children do or do not belong to anyone. We are taking children from people, with little or no proof of wrongdoing, without a means of returning those children. Without due process.

It's horrendously bad, there is no way to justify it. None.
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If these perfectly innocent people along the border have no way to prove they are citizens, I'm going to take a wild guess and suspect that the "parents" are violating the border laws.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Listen to yourself, we have no way to prove those children do or do not belong to anyone. We are taking children from people, with little or no proof of wrongdoing, without a means of returning those children. Without due process.

It's horrendously bad, there is no way to justify it. None.
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Th US has an obligation to protect those minor children.

There is no due process when children are involved.

They get taken away and the parents can prove they are theirs.

As the article this does not happen in every case, just when there is reason to believe the children are in danger.
 
jimbo said:
If these perfectly innocent people along the border have no way to prove they are citizens, I'm going to take a wild guess and suspect that the "parents" are violating the border laws.
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If refugees from ravaged countries escaping violence, have no way to prove they are American Citizens, then they are violating border laws by seeking refugee status? And should have their kids taken.

That is your argument? Just want to be clear that is your argument before I start ridiculing you.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
No, their parents are bringing them to a safer country to escape violence.


Trump is trying to deter people by taking their kids, your defending it. This is monstrous. And a human rights violation. And why people are calling you lot Nazis, because you defend **** like this tooth and nail.

Now **** off, nazi piece of ****.
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The trip those children were exposed to is dangerous.

If they get across the border the children can die in the desert.

The parents don't care about the welfare of those children.

I would definately say that you think more like a Nazi then I do. You don't care about the welfare of these children.

You see Trump said something about it and you jump the other way.

Before you try to denigrate somebody else that you don't know, you should try to use your brain.

By the way, I don't know many Jewish Nazis. Maybe you do.

Is this Nazi thing now taking the place of the racist thing we had to hear for the last 8 years?
 
:lamo

Leftists...........


People drag their children through a dangerous trip to conduct an illegal act putting the children at risk, and leftists shriek about the border response to the illegal immigration acts which put those children at risk in the first place. And whats MORE hilarious...the immigration teams are apparently trying to place the children in US homes with family members rather than just kick the whole family to the curb and send them back into the desert where they are reasonably certain the irresponsible parents will try again, and again, and again...every time putting their children at risk.

The pathetic things you people **** yourselves over.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
If refugees from ravaged countries escaping violence, have no way to prove they are American Citizens, then they are violating border laws by seeking refugee status? And should have their kids taken.

That is your argument? Just want to be clear that is your argument before I start ridiculing you.
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You don't care those children traveling with those adults could be being brought to the US for the purposes of human trafficking?

Should the US turn a blind eye to that?
 
Mason66 said:
Th US has an obligation to protect those minor children.

There is no due process when children are involved.

They get taken away and the parents can prove they are theirs.

As the article this does not happen in every case, just when there is reason to believe the children are in danger.
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So you're saying if a leader of a country, says we are going to start taking kids as a deterrent to refugees. Then kids start getting taken. And the excuse is the parents can't prove they are their kids, it's for the kids safety. The kids are then put into a facitlity indefinitely, many of whom's "real" family can't be located. And the parents given no viable recourse to appeal.

That is ok with you, because it sounds like some Nazi **** to me. Sounds like we are separating undesirables from their kids as a deterrent to coming here. People deemed undesirable for their race. They then are put in camps indefinitely til something can be figured out to do with them. Meanwhile, the fact we can't prove those were not those people children should be clueing you in that this is not above board. Constitution is clear, burden of proof is on the state. Innocent until proven guilty.

But hey, you defend Nazi bull**** all the time. Why am I surprised. I have no interest in your opinion, now or ever. ****ing fascists.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
So you're saying if a leader of a country, says we are going to start taking kids as a deterrent to refugees. Then kids start getting taken. And the excuse is the parents can't prove they are their kids, it's for the kids safety. The kids are then put into a facitlity indefinitely, many of whom's "real" family can't be located. And the parents given no viable recourse to appeal.

That is ok with you, because it sounds like some Nazi **** to me. Sounds like we are separating undesirables from their kids as a deterrent to coming here. People deemed undesirable for their race. They then are put in camps indefinitely til something can be figured out to do with them. Meanwhile, the fact we can't prove those were not those people children should be clueing you in that this is not above board. Constitution is clear, burden of proof is on the state. Innocent until proven guilty.

But hey, you defend Nazi bull**** all the time. Why am I surprised. I have no interest in your opinion, now or ever. ****ing fascists.
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Please prove this started happening after Trump made that comment.

What is Nazi bull****.

Nazis don't exist anymore, or don't you know that?

By the way, what does protecting children have to do with Nazis anyway?
 
Mason66 said:
Please prove this started happening after Trump made that comment.

What is Nazi bull****.

Nazis don't exist anymore, or don't you know that?

By the way, what does protecting children have to do with Nazis anyway?
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I don't prove things to Nazi's, I only spit on Nazi's.

Nazi bull****, is the bull**** you are espousing right now.

You exist. You are supporting fascist bull****, so Nazi's exist by the definition I'm using.

Protecting children is the extremely weak and flimsy excuse that nazis such as yourself are using to defend this humans rights violation.
 
HowardBThiname said:
According to your link, "those who actually investigated" were "advocates." You realize that's going to slant the story, right?

However, you link also mentions something else, the fact that entering illegally is a federal crime and if the parents are charged, the children must be protected and taken elsewhere.

What do you think is happening? Do you think they are stealing the children? I'm pretty sure our nation doesn't want them - we have enough adoptable children here as it is. But, if we're going to charge the parents with a crime, you understand that we can't leave the children with them. Personally, I think my link was more well-rounded than yours.

And, keep in mind that this is not a new development.
Obama 'tearing families apart,' immigration activists decry | TheHill
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Tell me something. Did you even read either of the two articles I read? I mean, really read them? In neither case were the parents charged with any crime. Next, do you have a clue as to what seeking asylum is all about? Finally, do you know what kind of a crime illegally entering the country is? Look it up.
 
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