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Trump Throws Ronny Jackson Under the Bus

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Trump Throws Ronny Jackson Under the Bus

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Trump Veterans Administration nominee Rear Admiral Ronny Jackson

April 24, 2018

Hours after news of allegations of misconduct emerged against Rear Admiral Ronny Jackson, the White House physician and President Trump’s pick to be the next secretary of veterans affairs, the president had a bizarre commentary to offer. “I told Admiral Jackson just a little while ago, what do you need this for? This is a vicious group of people. … What do you need it for?” Trump said Tuesday, during a joint news conference with French President Emmanuel Macron. “I wouldn’t do it. I wouldn’t do it. What does he need it for? I don’t think personally he should do it. It would be totally his decision.” Hours after news of allegations of misconduct emerged against Rear Admiral Ronny Jackson, the White House physician and President Trump’s pick to be the next secretary of veterans affairs, the president had a bizarre commentary to offer. “I told Admiral Jackson just a little while ago, what do you need this for? This is a vicious group of people. … What do you need it for?” Trump said Tuesday, during a joint news conference with French President Emmanuel Macron. “I wouldn’t do it. I wouldn’t do it. What does he need it for? I don’t think personally he should do it. It would be totally his decision.”

As he has demonstrated in his frustration with Congress during the health-care and tax-bill processes, and with the courts at many stages, Trump remains uncomfortable with the checks and balances of the federal government. He still wishes he could operate as he did when he was the leader of his own, comparatively small, private corporation, and could deliver an order and have it carried into action. When Trump has had the opportunity to choose aides without the shackle of Senate confirmation, it’s often gone quite poorly. That’s the process that gave the country National-Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who lasted 24 days before being fired for lying to Vice President Mike Pence, and who has since pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI; chief strategist Steve Bannon, whom Trump fired and later said had “lost his mind”; Rob Porter, who had been accused of domestic violence by two former wives; body man John McEntee, whose finances were under investigation; and Anthony Scaramucci, the 10-day terror of the communications department. Perhaps rather than rail against it, Trump should thank the Senate for protecting him from his own hastiness.
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Yet another Donald "I only hire the best" Trump nominee totally unqualified to lead a mammoth department of 375,000 employees and a budget that exceeds $185 billion.

To make matters worse, Jackson was not vetted and now allegations are emerging of Jackson running "a hostile work environment in the White House medical office, drinking on the job, and over-prescribing medications".

Trump runs government like it's an episode of Celebrity Apprentice.

Related: Make no mistake, Trump just cut Ronny Jackson loose
 
Day after day after day, we find another whack job in government or at least another guy with something to hide or something that he should taken care of and didn't. It is so bad at this point that if anything were to happen to a high profile well positioned public servant or high office holder in the future, I would immediately look to the possibility of an inside job much the same way that a dead wife or husband immediately throws the surviving spouse on the top of the pyramid of potential suspects.

Its beyond being a surprise any longer. Every single day brings a new revelation about another government official or operative who would likely fold like a cheap suit if ever confronted by an actual crisis or any actual pressure.

How did Ronny Jackson even get the job in the Bush Administration in the first place? What did he do to deserve even consideration for the VA job other than apparently lying through his teeth about Trump's physical exam?
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump Throws Ronny Jackson Under the Bus

61102273

Trump Veterans Administration nominee Rear Admiral Ronny Jackson



Yet another Donald "I only hire the best" Trump nominee totally unqualified to lead a mammoth department of 375,000 employees and a budget that exceeds $185 billion.

To make matters worse, Jackson was not vetted and now allegations are emerging of Jackson running "a hostile work environment in the White House medical office, drinking on the job, and over-prescribing medications".

Trump runs government like it's an episode of Celebrity Apprentice.

Related: Make no mistake, Trump just cut Ronny Jackson loose
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He gone. And rightfully so, far from being qualified.
 
jnug said:
Day after day after day, we find another whack job in government or at least another guy with something to hide or something that he should taken care of and didn't. It is so bad at this point that if anything were to happen to a high profile well positioned public servant or high office holder in the future, I would immediately look to the possibility of an inside job much the same way that a dead wife or husband immediately throws the surviving spouse on the top of the pyramid of potential suspects.

Its beyond being a surprise any longer. Every single day brings a new revelation about another government official or operative who would likely fold like a cheap suit if ever confronted by an actual crisis or any actual pressure.

How did Ronny Jackson even get the job in the Bush Administration in the first place? What did he do to deserve even consideration for the VA job other than apparently lying through his teeth about Trump's physical exam?
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I suggest using Google to look at the Trump Admin political appointees. Freaking scary
 
JANFU said:
I suggest using Google to look at the Trump Admin political appointees. Freaking scary
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I think the other thing that is painfully PAINFULLY true is the degree to which these glowing recommendations are handed out based on nothing. It should be plainly clear that the process of just keeping things going, "keeping an even strain" as some would call it is so strong in government that these glowing recommendations are just being pulled out of somebody's rear end. XYZ official is the nominee from our party and frankly I don't know him from a 2x4, but he gets a glowing recommendation from me. I am convinced it goes so far that even if some of these clowns know for a fact that a candidate does not deserve anything that remotely resembles a glowing recommendation, that is what he gets.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump Throws Ronny Jackson Under the Bus

61102273

Trump Veterans Administration nominee Rear Admiral Ronny Jackson



Yet another Donald "I only hire the best" Trump nominee totally unqualified to lead a mammoth department of 375,000 employees and a budget that exceeds $185 billion.

To make matters worse, Jackson was not vetted and now allegations are emerging of Jackson running "a hostile work environment in the White House medical office, drinking on the job, and over-prescribing medications".

Trump runs government like it's an episode of Celebrity Apprentice.

Related: Make no mistake, Trump just cut Ronny Jackson loose
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Thus is the result of Trump valuing personal relationships above all else when it comes to choosing the people who run our country's government. Performance, character, sincerity, candor, intelligence and honesty are always a secondary consideration, if they're taken into account at all.

I heard that one of the reasons why they've delayed his confirmation hearings is due to his, 'excessive' drinking on the job. Does this indicate that 'moderate' drinking a common in the Trump WH? If so, I can understand why...
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump Throws Ronny Jackson Under the Bus

61102273

Trump Veterans Administration nominee Rear Admiral Ronny Jackson



Yet another Donald "I only hire the best" Trump nominee totally unqualified to lead a mammoth department of 375,000 employees and a budget that exceeds $185 billion.

To make matters worse, Jackson was not vetted and now allegations are emerging of Jackson running "a hostile work environment in the White House medical office, drinking on the job, and over-prescribing medications".

Trump runs government like it's an episode of Celebrity Apprentice.

Related: Make no mistake, Trump just cut Ronny Jackson loose
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It is obviously apparent that Trump does not know very many “good people”.
 
Xnn - IG report- 2 Drs - same rank - 1 was Jackson
Report recommended that 1 or both be replaced.
 
jnug said:
I think the other thing that is painfully PAINFULLY true is the degree to which these glowing recommendations are handed out based on nothing. It should be plainly clear that the process of just keeping things going, "keeping an even strain" as some would call it is so strong in government that these glowing recommendations are just being pulled out of somebody's rear end. XYZ official is the nominee from our party and frankly I don't know him from a 2x4, but he gets a glowing recommendation from me. I am convinced it goes so far that even if some of these clowns know for a fact that a candidate does not deserve anything that remotely resembles a glowing recommendation, that is what he gets.
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No argument here.
 
Rogue Valley said:
"As he has demonstrated in his frustration with Congress during the health-care and tax-bill processes, and with the courts at many stages, Trump remains uncomfortable with the checks and balances of the federal government. He still wishes he could operate as he did when he was the leader of his own, comparatively small, private corporation, and could deliver an order and have it carried into action."
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SIDE NOTE: Lee Iacocca turned down any idea of running for President specifically because he admitted flat out that he was not comfortable with the idea of battling Congress and Justice at every turn whenever he wanted something done.
And I daresay Iacocca was perhaps a wee bit more honorable.
 
The Candy Man.....THE CANDY MAN!!!! Jackson's White House nickname!

This guy is the poster child for this incoherent, inept, corrupt and ruinously dangerous presidency. Trump's economic policy, his foreign policy, his cabinet heads, his other appointees, his insane insistence on fomenting cultural warfare all roll up into the most dangerous presidency of my lifetime and quite possibly the lifetime of the entire country.

Jackson has already lied to two Senators that he has to appear before in a matter of just 24 hours just to make it crystal clear why Trump has any affinity for this guy. Obviously, Jackson is entirely oblivious which his yet another tie back to the Donald.

Sadly Donald even makes a joke out of what we now must accept as feigned sorrow for his brother lost to alcoholism and the opioid crisis as Jackson as it turns out is both a drunkard and a pill pusher. As usual, Donald outdoes himself again. No matter how hard he tries, no matter how bad Obama or Bush Jr. Donald manages to toss himself into a category of awful all his own.

I shudder to think that somewhere out there in the world is a more apt poster child for this presidency than Ronny Jackson. Truth is, it is actually more than possible.
 
In the Music Biz he'd be called Dr Feelgood....Guys like that are always popular with a certain group
 
jnug said:
The Candy Man.....THE CANDY MAN!!!! Jackson's White House nickname!

This guy is the poster child for this incoherent, inept, corrupt and ruinously dangerous presidency. Trump's economic policy, his foreign policy, his cabinet heads, his other appointees, his insane insistence on fomenting cultural warfare all roll up into the most dangerous presidency of my lifetime and quite possibly the lifetime of the entire country.

Jackson has already lied to two Senators that he has to appear before in a matter of just 24 hours just to make it crystal clear why Trump has any affinity for this guy. Obviously, Jackson is entirely oblivious which his yet another tie back to the Donald.

Sadly Donald even makes a joke out of what we now must accept as feigned sorrow for his brother lost to alcoholism and the opioid crisis as Jackson as it turns out is both a drunkard and a pill pusher. As usual, Donald outdoes himself again. No matter how hard he tries, no matter how bad Obama or Bush Jr. Donald manages to toss himself into a category of awful all his own.

I shudder to think that somewhere out there in the world is a more apt poster child for this presidency than Ronny Jackson. Truth is, it is actually more than possible.
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I question the credentials of anyone who says a modern human being, let alone Donald Trump, could live to 200 years.


But that's beside the point. Being a doctor =/= being a manager. It's idiotic to appoint someone to head an entire agency unless they have considerable management skills in addition to skills related to the general practice of the agency, especially one like the VA.
 
My God we have got to be the most obtuse and politically unsophisticated country on the planet, certainly of the western industrialized countries.

The whole dust up about Jackson handing out drugs like candy and being drunk on the job is only tangentially about how he was doing his job in and for the White House and for White House staff. Sure, handing out drugs like candy is a bad bad look, particularly now and drunk on the job is a worse look. However, the two issues that really matter are:
A) Jackson was not properly vetted for the job for which he has been appointed
B) He is entirely unqualified for the job for which he has been appointed

Remembering that Jackson was WH Doctor for both Bush Jr and Obama, this is not really about his WH job, though this coming to light prevents him going back to that job and isn't that interesting. This is about life in whacky Trumpworld where up is down and down is up and sideways is a holding pattern trying to catch your breadth.

Trump wants to destroy agencies of government, not change them nor fix them and he does not care about the consequences. What he does not want to outright destroy he wants to privative which in many ways amounts to the same thing. VA, falls into the privatization category. Good luck with that.
 
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jnug said:
...Trump wants to destroy agencies of government, not change them nor fix them and he does not care about the consequences. What he does not want to outright destroy he wants to privative which in many ways amounts to the same thing. VA, falls into the privatization category. Good luck with that.
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Well said and so true.

Republicans have long sought to reduce the size of our government and although I'm generally opposed to corporations profiting from providing citizens their governmental services, it's a valid and debatable point. But in recent years this movement to slim down government has devolved and the implications are ominous. This obsession is now bringing out the baser instincts of their members.

It appears that the majority of Republicans actually fear and hate their very own government more than the dictatorship that runs our most dangerous adversary. These days Republicans have no problem with Russia attacking our elections (as long as the attack helps them) or a president under the thumb of Putin.

Oh my, how things have changed...
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump Throws Ronny Jackson Under the Bus

61102273

Trump Veterans Administration nominee Rear Admiral Ronny Jackson



Yet another Donald "I only hire the best" Trump nominee totally unqualified to lead a mammoth department of 375,000 employees and a budget that exceeds $185 billion.

To make matters worse, Jackson was not vetted and now allegations are emerging of Jackson running "a hostile work environment in the White House medical office, drinking on the job, and over-prescribing medications".

Trump runs government like it's an episode of Celebrity Apprentice.

Related: Make no mistake, Trump just cut Ronny Jackson loose
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sigh...

Another media spin job. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to set these nonsense articles straight...they keep popping up like weeds.

Anyway...facts:

The writer conveniently leaves out the fact that Trump also said he stands behind Jackson 100%. So, Trump didn't throw Jackson under the bus...he gave Jackson an out if he wants to take it.
 
If trump did not throw Jackson under the bus in signaling rather strongly that he should withdraw then he surely did it in allowing Jackson to continue to fight. Jackson is not going to be the next head of the VA and he will not recover his drowning reputation. By the time Jackson is done fighting, there will be nothing left to it.

Trump should have admitted the obvious. It does not matter the tiniest little bit how many times Jackson might have passed muster for the WH doctor job. He was not vetted for the VA job and Sara the Huckster admitted that none of the FBI vetting that the WH is currently touting took place on Trump's watch. For all Trump's interest in seeing somebody apparently willing to lie through his teeth for him moved up to a bigger job, Trump does not really give a rats behind about Jackson or he would have saved him from what will now be a very deep and dark period for Jackson that is hopelessly doomed to failure.

But then, we know Trump does not care. Never mind his false claims of respect and care for vets or his feigned sorrow for a brother lost to alcoholism or the optics of a WH pill pusher in this day and time. Trump has already installed conspirators dead set on destroying the agencies they are assigned to run, including Pruitt, Zenke, absolute idiot DeVos, Carson, Mulvaney, Tillerson now gone etc. The list of WH whack jobs is just endless. Trump has pulled the worst people from the worst places, not the best people and he just does not care.

Trump's willingness to just slither away from Jackson when he could at least keep him from what he is headed into, likely a few weeks that will lead to his own personal and utterly complete destruction speaks volumes to Trump's view of loyalty. That said, the degree to which the world of Trump combined with the world of politics has exposed the armies of total whack jobs that populate his world and the political world should finally cement for everybody what an utter and complete mess we are as a country.

The degree to which leadership has simply become a facade for leadership in this country is appalling. We are walking from banana peel to land mind just waiting to hit both a banana peel slippery enough and a land mine powerful enough to to make a boom big enough to be seen from the place in the universe that some other life form calls home.
 
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