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Fire and Fury Part II?

WCH said:
Question is, will Iran [and others] think of it as a threat or just the usual bluster of past administration. Turns out France wants a new deal with Iran.
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You mean France does not want Trump to back out of the Iran deal and is dangling a carrot for him. He just might take it too.
 
Mycroft said:
Based on other issues Trump has made threats about, I don't think this one is empty.

Examples: Trade, NK, chemical weapons...that's just off the top of my head.
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So Trump is a nation building neocon now?
 
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iguanaman said:
LOL The only problem is that Iran will not negotiate a new deal. But if we stay in the one we have they might change their mind. That is what Macron is telling Trump anyway...
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There inlies the threat.
 
iguanaman said:
How soon we forget the "Pottery Barn" rule....
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Breaking things isn't Trump's style, though he'll do it if he has to.

I don't see him paying Syria for breaking things because of chemical weapon use, though.
 
Mycroft said:
Breaking things isn't Trump's style, though he'll do it if he has to.

I don't see him paying Syria for breaking things because of chemical weapon use, though.
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So he did not just threaten to "break" Iran?
 
iguanaman said:
LOL The only problem is that Iran will not negotiate a new deal. But if we stay in the one we have they might change their mind. That is what Macron is telling Trump anyway... We can only hope he outsmarted Trump with this. Backing out now will send the wrong message to Kim.
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Kim is irrelevant when it comes to Iran.

If Iran won't renegotiate, the deal ends. We go back to "crippling sanctions", as they say.

If Iran restarts their nuke program, then Trump executes on his "threats".
 
iguanaman said:
So he did not just threaten to "break" Iran?
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Here's the quote from the OP's article:

“It won’t be so easy for them [Iran] to restart it. They’re not going to be restarting anything," Trump said. "If they restart it, they’re going to have big problems, bigger than they ever had before. And you can mark it down. If they restart their nuclear program they will have bigger problems than they ever had before.”
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I'll ask you: Did he just threaten to "break" Iran?
 
iguanaman said:
So you think Trump will stay in? If we don't Iran will have a bomb by Christmas and it will be Trump's doing.
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Not what I said at all. You wish.

IMO, peace between Israel and Iran depends on a new deal.
 
Mycroft said:
Kim is irrelevant when it comes to Iran.

If Iran won't renegotiate, the deal ends. We go back to "crippling sanctions", as they say.

If Iran restarts their nuke program, then Trump executes on his "threats".
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The rest of the world will not go back to the sanctions, they want to keep the agreement. We cannot "cripple" Iran on our own. If we renege on our word Iran has no reason to keep theirs and Kim has no reason to make a deal we won't keep either.
 
WCH said:
Iran hasn't changed it's behavior in the region and knows this deal was a hoax. All they wanted was to get out of the sanction and be free to do business with whoever...including terrorists. They don''t have a lot of excuses for why we should keep the current deal.

This was from a year of it's signing.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parall...year-after-iran-nuclear-deal-what-has-changed
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Russia has not changed it's tune either and they are Iran's ally in Syria. They will get out of Syria when Putin does. LOL
 
iguanaman said:
The rest of the world will not go back to the sanctions, they want to keep the agreement. We cannot "cripple" Iran on our own. If we renege on our word Iran has no reason to keep theirs and Kim has no reason to make a deal we won't keep either.
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Kim is irrelevant. What Kim thinks doesn't matter. He'll do whatever China tells him to do.

As far as sanctions against Iran and other countries, all Trump has to do is lay out the new agreement, and then apply sanctions to anyone who does business with Iran. Those other countries will join him in a heartbeat.
 
Mycroft said:
Kim is irrelevant. What Kim thinks doesn't matter. He'll do whatever China tells him to do.

As far as sanctions against Iran and other countries, all Trump has to do is lay out the new agreement, and then apply sanctions to anyone who does business with Iran. Those other countries will join him in a heartbeat.
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LOL Trump cannot "lay out" anything. Iran does not want a renegotiation and will not be a party to one. We cannot snub our allies with sanctions either.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Trump cannot "lay out" anything. Iran does not want a renegotiation and will not be a party to one. We cannot snub our allies with sanctions either.
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1. Trump can certainly lay out a plan. Iran has the choice to accept it, negotiate or tell Trump to pound sand.

2. Trump can put the rest of the world in a position to make a choice. He's done it before...concerning NK.

You should be careful with telling Trump what he "can't" do.
 
Mycroft said:
1. Trump can certainly lay out a plan. Iran has the choice to accept it, negotiate or tell Trump to pound sand.

2. Trump can put the rest of the world in a position to make a choice. He's done it before...concerning NK.

You should be careful with telling Trump what he "can't" do.
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Yea "My way or the highway" is the way to make deals. Trump has no clue how to "negotiate" anything.
 
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