Black Woman Dragged, Exposed And Arrested In Waffle House Over Plastic Utensils

Risky Thicket said:

We are talking about a black woman, a black woman in Alabama.

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Every citizen, black, white, green, male, female, trans -- should all understand that they're escalating the situation when they resist arrest.

dirtpoorchris said:

Probably because the cashier genuinely treated her like **** and trolled her and canceled her order on her halfway through just because she was an annoying black person. So she was throwing a genuine tantrum. Like the Rosa Parks of passive agressive utensil denial.

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Let's say you're right -- it's still sheer idiocy to throw a tantrum in a situation where you can't possibly come out on top.

VanceMack said:

Sure. But do you honestly believe the police had ANY business engaging in this instance?

Be honest.

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If the police are called, they're supposed to respond.

Other witnesses said the black woman was insinuating that she had a gun, which is absolutely a good reason to call the cops, and a good reason for the cops to remove her from the premises.

In a Monday news conference, police in Saraland, a suburb of Mobile, said that they responded when employees called them reporting trouble with a woman who appeared drunk and had been asked to leave for bringing in what employees believed to be alcohol. When they arrived, witnesses told them that Chikesia Clemons had indicated she might have a gun and might shoot people. A video shows three police officers wrestling her to the floor and arresting her while she and a friend complain loudly

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https://www.ktbs.com/news/national/...cle_2c727ce4-47a1-11e8-9ce3-571fc56405d7.html

MrShangles said:

That’s what blacks do, they will just never get it, simple officer says stop, you say yes sir, explain the situation , then you go home


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I don't believe all blacks do it...there are probably just as many who are as disgusted as anybody about crap like this going on, but there are some who definitely take advantage of a situation and I think these witches are just 2 of them...

HowardBThiname said:

Whether or not a state law allows you to resist, it seems foolhardy to me. A struggle with an officer never leads to anything good.

I would rather comply and file a complaint later than risk being injured or killed.

But, that's just me. Perhaps for others, their lives are worth the struggle. :roll:

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You're asking some people to be more sensible than they are capable of being...

HowardBThiname said:

Let's say you're right -- it's still sheer idiocy to throw a tantrum in a situation where you can't possibly come out on top.

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That is something a child would do...or an immature brat...

MrShangles said:

That’s what blacks do, they will just never get it, simple officer says stop, you say yes sir, explain the situation , then you go home


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Having family in law enforcement, I can tell you that people of all skin tones do that, but the media seems to focus on these sorts of events when black suspects are resisting and white officers have to use force in order to arrest them. It's all a part of "building a narrative," one that is not indicative of reality.

At the end of the day, when officers are called to remove an unruly person from a business, they pretty much have to do that. And, if the unruly person wants to make it difficult on themselves, a scenario such as we see in the video occurs.

HowardBThiname said:

Having family in law enforcement, I can tell you that people of all skin tones do that, but the media seems to focus on these sorts of events when black suspects are resisting and white officers have to use force in order to arrest them. It's all a part of "building a narrative," one that is not indicative of reality.

At the end of the day, when officers are called to remove an unruly person from a business, they pretty much have to do that. And, if the unruly person wants to make it difficult on themselves, a scenario such as we see in the video occurs.

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Exactly...I wish some of PO's critics could walk a mile in their shoes...then they wouldn't be so quick to judge...

dirtpoorchris said:

Does a business have a right to refuse to give you the owners contact information when you want to make a complaint? I really dont know. Seems like a bad precedence. Mistreat customers then refuse to give them an avenue to formal complaint.

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there is nothing that says a waitress in this case HAS to give you the owners name & phone number

most establishments have a placard on the outside with that information printed on it....

go to any fast food joint, and you will find it if you look

i would assume most chain restaurants have the same type placards

as a executive in a business, we try to take care of every customer

that isnt always possible....some customers are impossible, and want more than i can provide

we are in business to make a profit...it should be a win/win for both sides of the transaction

but i cant let a customer make a scene and cause me to lose other potential sales...not going to happen

VanceMack said:

Cite the statute where law enforcement is required to escort out a customer because the manager is a douchebag.

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Disorderly conduct is a criminal charge in most jurisdictions in the United States, China, and Taiwan. Typically, "disorderly conduct" makes it a crime to be drunk in public, to "disturb the peace", or to loiter in certain areas. Many types of unruly conduct may fit the definition of disorderly conduct, as such statutes are often used as "catch-all" crimes. Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but otherwise present no danger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct

and i would assume this will be the charge

HowardBThiname said:

If the police are called, they're supposed to respond.

Other witnesses said the black woman was insinuating that she had a gun, which is absolutely a good reason to call the cops, and a good reason for the cops to remove her from the premises.


https://www.ktbs.com/news/national/...cle_2c727ce4-47a1-11e8-9ce3-571fc56405d7.html

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Police are not mindless robots. When they respond and are told that the conflict is over a 50 cent charge on plastic utensils, they should leave.

VanceMack said:

Police are not mindless robots. When they respond and are told that the conflict is over a 50 cent charge on plastic utensils, they should leave.

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When are you going to get it? There is much more to the event than that...SMH...

gdgyva said:

Disorderly conduct is a criminal charge in most jurisdictions in the United States, China, and Taiwan. Typically, "disorderly conduct" makes it a crime to be drunk in public, to "disturb the peace", or to loiter in certain areas. Many types of unruly conduct may fit the definition of disorderly conduct, as such statutes are often used as "catch-all" crimes. Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but otherwise present no danger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct

and i would assume this will be the charge

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She wasnt drunk, she appeared to be sitting down waiting for the regional managers phone number, and there sure do appear to be a lot of you eager to just let cops do whatever, whenever, to whoever. I wonder how it will feel when they do it to you.

Elvira said:

When are you going to get it? There is much more to the event than that...SMH...

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When are you going to get it that this stupid **** can be handled locally like professionals or even...gasp...adults.

I agree with the post from many pages before that suggests that local law enforcement needs to get out of the business of business policy enforcement. Law Enforcement has been specifically designed to do specific things. Traffic cops direct traffic. That is about the only very specific task assigned to it. The rest of local law enforcement makes cases. That is what they do. Everything else they do, picking kitties out of trees, helping old ladies across the street, whatever, amounts to stuff they choose to do but are not chartered to do.

Showing up to enforce a policy they do not even understand, a policy that the chain itself seems unable to define is absurd. While Waffle House has released a rather nebulous and self serving statement, I have not seen it state the policy as yet. Entitlement is still a major problem in this country. We began this country granting citizenship based on a rather uninformed view of the human condition. OK, hard to argue that we had it all figured out in the 18th Century.

Since then, mainly because we wanted them for a purpose, we now have more citizens and more different types of citizens than we envisioned in the 18th Century. Unfortunately our response to that has been to bend the rules so that entitlement still exists. In other words, we appear to have no problem breaking the contract we have made with people if it suits us to do so. We ignore what we want to ignore and enforce what we want to enforce.

But of course the counter to that unhappy reality is some statement based in global what-about-ism. "But what about XYZ country where things are much worse." I don't live in XYZ country and I could give a rats behind about whether they do or do not break the covenants they make with their citizens.

HowardBThiname said:

I felt sorry for the woman until I watched the video.

Did her parents not teach her to obey the officers and then file a complaint later? Once she started resisting, did she not understand it was all going to go downhill for her? Where do folks get the idea they can resist and still come out on top?

That said, I think she should file a complaint against Waffle House and against the waitress who was allegedly rude to her. In addition, if Waffle House is charging for plastic utensils with which to eat the food they sell, they need to be run out of business. What a poor practice.

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"File a complaint later"

Is American for just do what you're ordered to do.

Because pretty much nobody gets satisfaction when filing a complaint against the police.

THAT is the reality. Police departments circle.the wagons to avoid lawsuits, for instance.

HowardBThiname said:

All true, but you're leaving out one little part -- she was resisting arrest.

How often does that go well for the person who resists?

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Too often "resisting arrest" amounts to asking why you're arresting me.

If you're quietly waiting for the managers phone number to file a complaint and the police come in and grab you, some confusion might be involved, don't you think?

VanceMack said:

Sure. But do you honestly believe the police had ANY business engaging in this instance?

Be honest.

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We don't know what the Waffle House employee told the dispatcher.

We don't know what information the police had when they walked in.

Where is that Hogg idiot calling for a boycott of all the Waffle Houses across the nation?

Mason66 said:

We don't know what the Waffle House employee told the dispatcher.

We don't know what information the police had when they walked in.

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Probably that they were threatened with a gun...which they were...

VanceMack said:

She wasnt drunk, she appeared to be sitting down waiting for the regional managers phone number, and there sure do appear to be a lot of you eager to just let cops do whatever, whenever, to whoever. I wonder how it will feel when they do it to you.

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Police said she was ...

Elvira said:

Really? You do realize the #1 rule when approached by a PO is to comply, right? I hope you never have an interaction with one...SMH...

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Yep. If he wants a blowjob better hit your knees.

Barnacle said:

Police said she was ...

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Is she puking?

Mason66 said:

We don't know what the Waffle House employee told the dispatcher.

We don't know what information the police had when they walked in.

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Nope. And dont you think its high time stupid **** like this stops happening?

VanceMack said:

She wasnt drunk, she appeared to be sitting down waiting for the regional managers phone number, and there sure do appear to be a lot of you eager to just let cops do whatever, whenever, to whoever. I wonder how it will feel when they do it to you.

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she was asked to leave a business

no business HAS to comply with a request from a customer....if she wants to contact the owner, there are ways to get that information AFTER she leaves the premises

EVERY business has the right to protect itself and it's customers from asinine customers....what you saw at the end was NOT the entire story...and i hope you are bright enough to realize that

You as a customer can not just DEMAND information...try it sometime....you will get as locked up as she did

You as a customer will get a lot more with polite interaction than rudeness....even if we agree to disagree on the matter at hand

And yes, i have thrown customers out of my stores numerous times over the years...and told them i no longer want their business