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Schooling BLM And their victim culture.

zimmer said:
Another Leftist illustrates what happens when challenged, and they have no rebuttal. You’re an intellectually lazy lot... you have to be... because Leftism demands it!!!

If you can’t form a rebuttal, your brains shut down and you run. Lurch did it, and now you too.
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Ok, now I'm getting less bored and more annoyed. You come on here and rant and rave about liberals, pulling complete nonsense out of your ass, not to mention hijacking your own thread, and when I tell you I'm not interested in your garbage generalizations and preposterous accusations, suddenly I'm the one with brains shut down?

Don't blame the fact that I'm no longer willing to discuss this with you on anything other than the fact that you're being an asshole right now. I didn't start out being disrespectful to you, Zim. Surely your OP has enough merit to be discussed and scrutinized without you going down your usual rabbit hole to loony land. And if not, maybe save it for your echo chambers, this ain't them.
 
Below is a model reply when a Leftist has been sent to school, and does not like what he is faced to confront... the truth of their miserable ideology, and it’s destructive results.

OlNate said:
Ok, now I'm getting less bored and more annoyed. You come on here and rant and rave about liberals, pulling complete nonsense out of your ass, not to mention hijacking your own thread, and when I tell you I'm not interested in your garbage generalizations and preposterous accusations, suddenly I'm the one with brains shut down?

Don't blame the fact that I'm no longer willing to discuss this with you on anything other than the fact that you're being an asshole right now. I didn't start out being disrespectful to you, Zim. Surely your OP has enough merit to be discussed and scrutinized without you going down your usual rabbit hole to loony land. And if not, maybe save it for your echo chambers, this ain't them.
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You cannot rebut the facts:

1) Government is not the answer.

2) Democrats are responsible for fomenting the perverted victim ideology.

3) Being a victim is a dead end street which will leave so many of these people embittered... and unfortunately, they will pass this poison on, as Obama and his ilk have.

4) The US is the greatest land of opportunity there is. These self appointed “victims” have been filled to the hilt with ideas that are destructive to them and those around them. Their only way to a dignified, honorable life is to embrace the great country they live in and the opportunity it affords. (there are not many places available at the helm of the Race Baiter & Victim Fomenting Politburo.
 
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zimmer said:
Below is a model reply when a Leftist has been sent to school, and does not like what he is faced to confront... the truth of their miserable ideology, and it’s destructive results.
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Above is Zimmer being Zimmer. Good job, buddy. :roll:
 
OlNate said:
Above is Zimmer being Zimmer. Good job, buddy. :roll:
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Thanks... Yes it is... and it’s why you and Lurch have mentally bolted. You have no rebuttal...hence your behaviors... Brain... exits stage Left.

I doubt you’ll pause and think about what you wrote, what you support, and the destructive nature of it.

Tell me... how will these non-victim-victims benefit from their buffoonish, self destructive behavior.

Q: Who benefits from having people acting like victims?

A: DE___RAT_.
 
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zimmer said:
Thanks... Yes it is... and it’s why you and Lurch have mentally bolted. You have no rebuttal...hence your behaviors... Brain... exits stage Left.

I doubt you’ll pause and think about what you wrote, what you support, and the destructive nature of it.

Tell me... how will these non-victim-victims benefit from their buffoonish, self destructive behavior.

Q: Who benefits from having people acting like victims?

A: DE___RAT_.
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No, I "mentally bolted" because your accusations and generalizations are horse****, and I'm not in the mood to be disrespected in order to scratch whatever itch plagues you...and your doubling down in an effort to cause me to tilt makes we wonder why I bothered wasting any time on you in the first place. You will find many examples where I have had great conversations with conservatives that ended in continued disagreement but mutual respect. I thought you and I were on that page as well.

Sorry, Zim, I'm not continuing the conversation purely and simply because as long as you continue being a jackass, it's not worth having. Twist that into a win however you need to.
 
zimmer said:
You are exemplifying the typical traits of a Leftist. A closed mind.

Offered an eloquent and accurate analysis of the situation, rendering you incapable of a coherent rebuttal, you resort to what you did in the post quoted above.

This is why Leftists do not progress intellectually. It is why they remain enslaved to a perverted and poisonous ideology. They find childish ways to ignore serious questions and answers which upset their odd world view.

As you posts illustrate, clear, accurate thinking is not a hallmark of the Leftist.*

* I used to be one... and believed the poisonous claptrap, until I began traveling the world at a young age, and kept an open mind.
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You support your arguments by quoting Keyes, a birther an anti-gay bigot, and all-around right-wing nut and call your arguments, "eloquent"? If that's your definition of eloquence then you have much to learn.

This is why right-wing philosophy is so easily ridiculed.
 
zimmer said:
Thanks... Yes it is... and it’s why you and Lurch have mentally bolted. You have no rebuttal...hence your behaviors... Brain... exits stage Left.
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Post something other than garbage and I promise you if a rebuttal is appropriate, I'll offer it.
 
OlNate said:
No, I "mentally bolted" because your accusations and generalizations are horse****, and I'm not in the mood to be disrespected in order to scratch whatever itch plagues you...and your doubling down in an effort to cause me to tilt makes we wonder why I bothered wasting any time on you in the first place. You will find many examples where I have had great conversations with conservatives that ended in continued disagreement but mutual respect. I thought you and I were on that page as well.

Sorry, Zim, I'm not continuing the conversation purely and simply because as long as you continue being a jackass, it's not worth having. Twist that into a win however you need to.
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If they were horse****, you would have knocked them out of the park. You couldn’t, so you exhibited the standard Leftist ploy of feigning an indignity has befallen you, and you’re not going to reply to “that”.

LAME... but that’s the Leftist, and how they remain one. Lock your brain down when challenged when you know you have no rebuttal.

Hopefully in quieter moments you’ll reflect, and realize Your thinking is wrong on this... and wrong in a manner that foments destructive behavior.
 
lurchadams said:
Post something other than garbage and I promise you if a rebuttal is appropriate, I'll offer it.
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You’ve had your chance, but Lurch bolted the building.

If it was easy you would have ragged my ass for pages... but because you cannot, you do what you are doing. It’s intellectually bankrupt... but hey... Democrats need some voters...

... you seem like their kind of individual. One who chooses not to think critically... questioning their own beliefs, and whether they’re valid or destructive.
 
zimmer said:
If they were horse****, you would have knocked them out of the park. You couldn’t, so you exhibited the standard Leftist ploy of feigning an indignity has befallen you, and you’re not going to reply to “that”.

LAME... but that’s the Leftist, and how they remain one. Lock your brain down when challenged when you know you have no rebuttal.

Hopefully in quieter moments you’ll reflect, and realize Your thinking is wrong on this... and wrong in a manner that foments destructive behavior.
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Whatever, Zim, as I said, twist what I said into a win however you have to. I'm already on to more interesting stuff.
 
OlNate said:
Whatever, Zim, as I said, twist what I said into a win however you have to. I'm already on to more interesting stuff.
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I twisted nothing.

I made some clear cut accusatory statements... which you claimed you did not like, and therefore would not respond to.

The twisting and bolting is all your doing... because you have no rebuttal beyond emotion.
 
zimmer said:
Life is a challenge.

There is no dignity playing a victim, and passing on such poison isn’t honorable.

What type of fool would want to damage people like that, and especially family... because that is what it is... seriously damaging, and unfortunately... those who inhale this poison will most likely live a miserable life because they chose to live the life of a victim.
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I agree with you in part, Zimmer.

However, first, we must recognize that sometimes some people are victims. Sometimes people do start out far behind the rest, sometimes that is indeed because of racial discrimination, sexual discrimination, or simply the poor decisions their parents made, among other things. But people must not then be given social license to wallow in their misery. They must be encouraged to move on and better their own lives because no one is going to come floating down in a golden chariot from the heavens to lead them into the promised land; the only way anyone has ever gotten ahead in life and stayed ahead in life is through personal endeavor.

Second, we must also recognize that this is not a phenomenon that is unique to the political left. The Political far-right (especially the Alt-Right) encourages and preys on the victim mentality of downtrodden white Americans. While it would be lovely to simply condemn the left for doing this, it must be discouraged across the political spectrum wherever it arises, because where victimhood culture thrives, violent totalitarian movement soon follow.

I do not think we should do people the discourtesy of discounting or denying that they may indeed have been victims. But what we should say is "Yes. You may indeed be a victim. So what now? Where will you go from here?"
 
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Felis Leo said:
I agree with you in part, Zimmer.

However, first, we must recognize that sometimes some people are victims. Sometimes people do start out far behind the rest, sometimes that is indeed because of racial discrimination, sexual discrimination, or simply the poor decisions their parents made, among other things. But people must not then be given social license to wallow in their misery. They must be encouraged to move on and better their own lives because no one is going to come floating down in a golden chariot from the heavens to lead them into the promised land; the only way anyone has ever gotten ahead in life and stayed ahead in life is through personal endeavor.

Second, we must also recognize that this is not a phenomenon that is unique to the political left. The Political far-right (especially the Alt-Right) encourages and preys on the victim mentality of downtrodden white Americans. While it would be lovely to simply condemn the left for doing this, it must be discouraged across the political spectrum wherever it arises, because where victimhood culture thrives, violent totalitarian movement soon follow.

I do not think we should do people the discourtesy of discounting or denying that they may indeed have been victims. But what we should say is "Yes. You may indeed be a victim. So what now? Where will you go from here?"
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Oh, I agree there are victims at times... but the problem is it’s became and been a destructive industry for decades, and the speaker in the video was spot on.

Victims have suffering, and they have an avenue to right the wrong through the legal system... but virtually all of these Black “victims” are not victims... not of what they think they are. They’re poor stooges to a perverted ideology.

If their wrong is not righted through the legal system, they still must get on with life. Once again, as the speaker in the vid noted, these Black men and women are not victims. To think they are is laughable.

As I just listened to on the radio... Candice Owens speaking about Kanye West... (paraphrasing) he cannot as a black man think differently... he must stay on the reservation (or be vilified).

Think of what happens when the Black vote is not a bloc? It would seriously harm the Democrat Party. They can’t afford their victims to leave the Plantation.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! So fun to watch you pretend and pass that off as 'schooling' them when it's actually an appeal to simpletons, trying to dumb down the multitude of issues that BLM addresses into a bumper sticker slogan that dispenses with the need to think critically and honestly address what they protest.
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BLM is based on a fraud, and foments a poisonous fraud which has created a bunch of bitter people who never were victims, except for being duped by seamy characters.
 
Cameron said:
Democrats may have "kept blacks down" when they were a southern, conservative party, but I don't know how you can imply that conservatives have been the ones fighting for blacks historically with a straight face. Moreover, the USA has adopted GOP economic policy for the past three decades. Even for those extremely brief periods when Democrats held both Congress and the White House, there was no marked change in economic policy. So yes, that is partly the fault of Dems, but it has hardly been the Dems "keeping Blacks down," and I'd like you to articulate even one concrete example to support that ridiculous assertion.

The bottom line is, if GOP policy on bringing blacks out of poverty worked, it would have worked by now. Simply telling people to stop feeling like a victim and start succeeding is not economic policy, it is the subject for a self-help book. You can believe in yourself and be as motivated as you want -- if the Starbucks manager thinks you are a thug because you are black, you are not getting a job. And if your kids' schools aren't competitive, they aren't either. That goes for both the black community and the white community.
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1. The GOP is the one party with a perfect record of fighting for and voting for Black rights.

2. Socialist ideas and Poverty & Race Baiting Pimps has created the demise of the Black America.

3. The only way to move up and forward in life is to take individual responsibility regardless of race, creed, color or sex. It is what pulled hundreds of millions of people out of misery... people exercising their gifts in a free society.

4. Education. Yep... teacher unions have been awful for education. The Department of Education has been miserable for education. Schools should be treated like businesses, and families should get vouchers to shop schools... like they do in Sweden. Failures would be short lived... and standards would rise dramatically.

5. As for the simple tax rate for all... it’s practical and would suck a mass of power from Congress... and because it’s simple, it would make our lives simpler.
 
zimmer said:
Republicans are the one party that has stood with the black man and woman every step of the way when it came to voting for their rights. I’ve listed the all the votes over the centuries... in another thread a few years back.

Democrats were the party trying to stop black progress.

Learn your history.
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Wow.. someone needs to go to school again. Still living on the fact that Lincoln was a Republican... while you try to daily to take away the voting rights of blacks... /clap. The delusion is full. If the GOP was such a "we dont care what your skin colour" party.. then they would not have accepted the racist southern Democrats in the 1960s and 70s and incorporated their views into the base of Republican policy.
 
lurchadams said:
You support your arguments by quoting Keyes, a birther an anti-gay bigot, and all-around right-wing nut and call your arguments, "eloquent"? If that's your definition of eloquence then you have much to learn.

This is why right-wing philosophy is so easily ridiculed.
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Using the Appeal to authority fallacy works both ways ya know.. ;)

That's why the fallacy itself is a logical fallacy, BUT only when applied the way you're applying it, which is to say, the authority by which someone claims a superior argument needs only the argument itself to be valid. The source of the argument or position is where MOST people, including yourself, fail at recognizing their own presuppositions when analyzing an argument in rebuttal or in support of one's position.

I doubt your mind can grasp what I just wrote, but do try. :)

Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Using the Appeal to authority fallacy works both ways ya know.. ;)

That's why the fallacy itself is a logical fallacy, BUT only when applied the way you're applying it, which is to say, the authority by which someone claims a superior argument needs only the argument itself to be valid. The source of the argument or position is where MOST people, including yourself, fail at recognizing their own presuppositions when analyzing an argument in rebuttal or in support of one's position.

I doubt your mind can grasp what I just wrote, but do try. :)

Tim-
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Yeah, I'll get right on that.
 
lurchadams said:
Yeah, I'll get right on that.
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Did you, or did you not, use the fact that Zimmer was using Keys as a source to rebut the other posters claims about blacks being disproportionately singled out for criminal activity as laughable because Keys was and is a "denier" and "bigot"? The answer is yes, why yes you did, and such, dismissed his argument entirely, based solely on the fact that Keys words do not matter to you because of his bigotry and hatred, and thus, one can only come to the conclusion that the reason you ignored his argument was because of this fact. "If" this is the case, then what I wrote above applies precisely to you. I'm just trying to help you identify when your logic is failing.. Don't worry, you're not the only one to use poor logic on debate forums. It happens 40 times a second.. ;)


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Did you, or did you not, use the fact that Zimmer was using Keys as a source to rebut the other posters claims about blacks being disproportionately singled out for criminal activity as laughable because Keys was and is a "denier" and "bigot"? The answer is yes, why yes you did, and such, dismissed his argument entirely, based solely on the fact that Keys words do not matter to you because of his bigotry and hatred, and thus, one can only come to the conclusion that the reason you ignored his argument was because of this fact. "If" this is the case, then what I wrote above applies precisely to you. I'm just trying to help you identify when your logic is failing.. Don't worry, you're not the only one to use poor logic on debate forums. It happens 40 times a second.. ;)


Tim-
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The birther movement had one goal - to delegitimize Obama's presidency by claiming he wasn't US born. The movement is both based on a false narrative and is racially motivated. Keyes promoted this theory. By promoting this false narrative Keyes sacrificed any credibility when hypothesizing about anything to do with race.

Don't worry, you're not the only person desperate to deny the obvious on DP. It happens 40 times a second.
 
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lurchadams said:
The birther movement had one goal - to delegitimize Obama's presidency by claiming he wasn't US born. The movement is both based on a false narrative and is racially motivated. Keyes promoted this theory. By promoting this false narrative Keyes sacrificed any credibility when hypothesizing about anything to do with race.

Don't worry, you're not the only person desperate to deny the obvious on DP. It happens 40 times a second.
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Credibility always begins AND ends with the words themselves, and never by who says them. Keyes credibility on the birther movement, in your opinion, is invalid, and unworthy of consideration. YOU are not illogical for doing that. What is illogical, is ignoring and dismissing anything else he says on the subject of race or any other matter. THAT is your mistake.


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Credibility always begins AND ends with the words themselves, and never by who says them. Keyes credibility on the birther movement, in your opinion, is invalid, and unworthy of consideration. YOU are not illogical for doing that. What is illogical, is ignoring and dismissing anything else he says on the subject of race or any other matter. THAT is your mistake.


Tim-
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Really? So fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on me again?

Keyes says things that support your internal narrative - that's why you're supporting him and attacking my argument - That's your mistake.
 
Hicup said:
Credibility always begins AND ends with the words themselves, and never by who says them. Keyes credibility on the birther movement, in your opinion, is invalid, and unworthy of consideration. YOU are not illogical for doing that. What is illogical, is ignoring and dismissing anything else he says on the subject of race or any other matter. THAT is your mistake.


Tim-
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Keyes made a clear and eloquent argument against Blacks playing victim, just as the speaker in the video (OP) had.

It’s common for Leftists like Lurch and Ol’Nate to shut off their brains to logical arguments when it destroys their world view. It’s intellectually bankrupt, and is a hallmark of being a Leftist. They did a wonderful job exhibiting this trait to perfection.

I used to be a Leftist, but obviously kept an open mind. I wasn’t welded to an ideology, but sought truth. It’s the only way one can change 180 degrees. When the likes of Lurch is confronted with rational arguments he dislikes, and causes a modicum of mental friction, he just shuts down his brain, as he has done here, instead of working through the problem intellectually. His posts couldn’t be more clearly reveal his lack of intellectual curiosity.

I do wonder how Lurch and other closed-minded Leftists with his pattern can defend the Left with its endless failures, the lies used to sell those failures, the lies told to defend and hide those failures, and the individuals who lie to foment their perverted ideology? Like Pelosi on the tax cut. Or Obama and Jon Gruber on Obama’s Careless (un)Affordable Care Act (CACA), serving as a couple examples.

lurchadams said:
Really? So fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on me again?

Keyes says things that support your internal narrative - that's why you're supporting him and attacking my argument - That's your mistake.
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zimmer said:
Keyes made a clear and eloquent argument against Blacks playing victim, just as the speaker in the video (OP) had.

It’s common for Leftists like Lurch and Ol’Nate to shut off their brains to logical arguments when it destroys their world view. It’s intellectually bankrupt, and is a hallmark of being a Leftist. They did a wonderful job exhibiting this trait to perfection.

I used to be a Leftist, but obviously kept an open mind. I wasn’t welded to an ideology, but sought truth. It’s the only way one can change 180 degrees. When the likes of Lurch is confronted with rational arguments he dislikes, and causes a modicum of mental friction, he just shuts down his brain, as he has done here, instead of working through the problem intellectually. His posts couldn’t be more clearly reveal his lack of intellectual curiosity.

I do wonder how Lurch and other closed-minded Leftists with his pattern can defend the Left with its endless failures, the lies used to sell those failures, the lies told to defend and hide those failures, and the individuals who lie to foment their perverted ideology? Like Pelosi on the tax cut. Or Obama and Jon Gruber on Obama’s Careless (un)Affordable Care Act (CACA), serving as a couple examples.
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<yawn> Yes, sir! The rest of us peons can only pray to someday be as enlightened as you.

I'd better let you get going. I know you feel you have to work twice as hard just to keep up with all those affirmative action benefiting fellow employees of yours.

:cuckoo: :cuckoo: :cuckoo:
 
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