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Cooperating Witnesses in the Mueller Investigation

Excon said:
One thing that hasn't occurred to those so feverish with TDS is that there is nothing to flip on.
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So what are you all so ****ing afraid of?

The American right has been turning itself inside out in the most hypocritical campaign I've ever seen in my life trying to stop, discredit or some way bet Trump out from under criminal investigations in any way possible.

Then mount a massive, organized campaign to tell us 'there's nothing there."

You can't have it both ways; panicking on one front and claiming 'nothingburger' on the other.

And on that note, if there is nothing there, what are all these people 'co-operating' about?
 
RedFishBlueFish said:
That may have been just "lawyer talk". There is a legal definition for target. "Subjects" can turn into "targets" as needed. Trump is a subject and can later be a target.
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Believe it or not we have heard that a few times. Your fellow poster is just ****ing with your head.
 
GDViking said:
Could be, they are allowed to.
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No. This does not fit the exception created to obtain evidence from the person who is being interviewed.


GDViking said:
However since he is a sitting president he can never truly be a Target for prosecution. They currently can only turn over any incriminating evidence for impeachment recommendation.
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I do hope you realize that being a target of investigation (which is what we are speaking about) is not the same thing thing as being a target of prosecution.


GDViking said:
Notice how he has not been asked to provide evidence on any of the many people who have been charged.
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WTF? Why in the world would he be asked when these things are unrelated to him?


GDViking said:
Seems if he was exonerated his testimony would be useful. Maybe they are just waiting to subpoena him during the upcoming trials.
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iLOL No. JFC! No.
Firstly. You do not put someone on the stand when you do not know what they are going to say.
Secondly. There has been no evidence of Trump having any knowledge of the cases related to those who have been charged. So you are engaged in wishful thinking.
 
Excon said:
I am fully aware of the law, investigations and how they work.

They went after Cohen for an underlying reason. likely to discover evidence to support what they already believe is criminality.
We do not know that specific reason as of yet, but we do know Trump in not the reason because he is not the target.
So yes, in regards to this specific, Trump is safe, unless a criminal act of Trump's is somehow discovered in the process of investigating Cohen's records.


All this talk of flipping is asinine and has been asinine from the start.
One has to assume there exists wrong doing in order to flip, yet there has been no evidence of such.
They spoke of flipping in regards to all those currently charged, yet we all know now that Trump is not a target.
If there had been any supposed flipping Trump would be a target.
The claim of flipping, absent any actual evidence of wrong doing, is irrational TDS bs.
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If you hate these comments so much why do you read them?


I agree there's little substance here, but you are being so militant, so brutal in your attacks I'm wondering maybe there is something there.

I just wish you people on the right supporting this part human would pick ONE position and stick to it. It's gotten insane.
Some months ago the right was insulting its way into a full blown war over TPP, the hated trade agreement. Today, Trump is wallowing and wriggling to get back in the deal, and none of you is the least bothered.

But a 100% speculation piece without one pillar of substance draws your attention for a whole day.

Like, is there even a plan? Maybe a list of what you hate and what you rate...'cause it changes hourly
 
Fearandloathing said:
So what are you all so ****ing afraid of?
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iLOL
1. I am one person.
2. So who are these folks you think are afraid?





Fearandloathing said:
The American right has been turning itself inside out in the most hypocritical campaign I've ever seen in my life trying to stop, discredit or some way bet Trump out from under criminal investigations in any way possible.
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Clearly you are creating things to believe.


Fearandloathing said:
You can't have it both ways; panicking on one front and claiming 'nothingburger' on the other.
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WTF are you on about?
Panicking? Hilarious.



Fearandloathing said:
And on that note, if there is nothing there, what are all these people 'co-operating' about?
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More nonsense I see.
What people are co-operating and what exactly is the relation of this co-operating?
 
RedFishBlueFish said:
Cooperating Witnesses in the Mueller Investigation

Michael Flynn – Flynn was in contact with Russian Ambassador Kislyak and lied to the FBI regarding lessening sanctions for Russia cyber-espionage activity. He admitted to being in contact with senior campaign officials before and after the conversation with Kislyak. Flynn worked with the Trump campaign for a significant period of time and probably has spilled lots of dirty little secrets.

Rick Gates – Gates was Manafort’s right-hand-man for two decades and was aware of and participated in many of Manafort’s criminal activities and knew all of Manafort’s ties to Russia and Russian contacts. Of course, the Mueller team is using this information to pressure Manafort. But it is what is known about the Trump campaign that may be the most damaging to Trump. Both Manafort and Gates were on the campaign when the platform was changed at the Republican convention. He was on the campaign while Papadopoulos and Carter Page were flying all over Europe to try and connect Russian intelligence and officials with the Trump Campaign. And Gates was there when the Genius Junior Trump Tower meeting took place which Manafort attended. What did Manafort tell Gates, his long time associate? What did Gates know about the stolen emails and when they would be released?

George Papadopoulos – Papadopoulos was the first person to cooperate with Mueller. Did he wear a wire and/or record conversations with Trump or his personnel in between the time he began cooperating and his situation became public? The more dirt Papadopoulos can give the lesser his sentence will be. Of course he will also know who exactly knew what about his trip(s) to Europe and what approval he had from who on the Trump team.

George Nader - George Nader was stopped and questioned by the FBI at Dulles International Airport in January. Since then, he has been talking to Mueller's investigators and providing information to the grand jury. Nader attended a December 2016 meeting in New York between Emirati officials and members of Trump's inner circle, and another in January 2017 in the Seychelles islands between the Emiratis and Erik Prince, a Trump associate. Nader was also in the Seychelles when Prince met with a Russian banker. The Muller Team’s questions about the Emiratis point to an investigation that has expanded beyond Russian meddling in the 2016 election to broader concerns about foreign influence during the presidential campaign and long after it concluded. The Washington Post reported that at least four countries, including the United Arab Emirates, have discussed ways they could compromise Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law.

Michael Cohen – TBD. Will he flip and become a cooperating witness? Who knows what skeletons Cohen has in his closet. Lots, I bet.
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Seems you have a lot of coincidental or circumstantial information mixed in with some "probably's" and "may have's" and some unanswered questions.

Tell me...has any one of those people actually told Mueller anything important?
 
Excon said:
iLOL
1. I am one person.
2. So who are these folks you think are afraid?





Clearly you are creating things to believe.


WTF are you on about?
Panicking? Hilarious.




More nonsense I see.
What people are co-operating and what exactly is the relation of this co-operating?
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That's the best you can do?
 
Excon said:
No. This does not fit the exception created to obtain evidence from the person who is being interviewed.


I do hope you realize that being a target of investigation (which is what we are speaking about) is not the same thing thing as being a target of prosecution.


WTF? Why in the world would he be asked when these things are unrelated to him?


iLOL No. JFC! No.
Firstly. You do not put someone on the stand when you do not know what they are going to say.
Secondly. There has been no evidence of Trump having any knowledge of the cases related to those who have been charged. So you are engaged in wishful thinking.
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If he is under investigation they do not have to tell him and they are allowed to lie and say he is not.

Target for prosecution, not of prosecution...

Trump would be a witness because all of these people being investigated are associates of his, and even though he is in a position to not be prosecuted, you are delusional if you believe he was uninvolved.

We do know what he will say if he gets on the stand, he will just plead the fifth.
 
Fearandloathing said:
So what are you all so ****ing afraid of?

The American right has been turning itself inside out in the most hypocritical campaign I've ever seen in my life trying to stop, discredit or some way bet Trump out from under criminal investigations in any way possible.

Then mount a massive, organized campaign to tell us 'there's nothing there."

You can't have it both ways; panicking on one front and claiming 'nothingburger' on the other.

And on that note, if there is nothing there, what are all these people 'co-operating' about?
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As the African-American with the hoodie said while walking fast out of a looted store, "I'm afraid of the bias."
 
Excon said:
Your adhom just shows you have no valid response.
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My response was completely valid and fined a very powerful spotlight on your denial of reality.
 
haymarket said:
My response was completely valid and fined a very powerful spotlight on your denial of reality.
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It figures you would engage in projection again.
 
trouble13 said:
I was referring to the investigators but really all of them on both sides.
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Since you can not speak to specific conduct I can only assume you are speaking to what you wish to believe and nothing more. :shrug:
 
Fearandloathing said:
I agree there's little substance here.
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That is all that needed to be said. Too bad it wasn't.


Fearandloathing said:
If you hate these comments so much why do you read them?
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Hate? iLOL
I am not the kind of person who hates. I may dislike somethings, but I do not hate.
So what ever it is you are using to interpret others postings needs to be recalibrated.

And as for hate.
The hatred seems to all be coming from the left and directed towards Trump, team Trump, and anyone perceived to be supporting/defending them.


Fearandloathing said:
but you are being so militant, so brutal in your attacks I'm wondering maybe there is something there.
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Militant? Brutal attacks? WTF?
Like I said; Recalibrated.


Fearandloathing said:
I just wish you people on the right supporting this part human would pick ONE position and stick to it.
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You people? Hilarious.
My position is my own. Just as yours is your own, or isn't it?


Fearandloathing said:
It's gotten insane.
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That is clearly more on the left.


Fearandloathing said:
Some months ago the right was insulting its way into a full blown war over TPP, the hated trade agreement. Today, Trump is wallowing and wriggling to get back in the deal, and none of you is the least bothered.
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No.

This is what Trump recently tweeted.

Would only join TPP if the deal were substantially better than the deal offered to Pres. Obama. We already have BILATERAL deals with six of the eleven nations in TPP, and are working to make a deal with the biggest of those nations, Japan, who has hit us hard on trade for years!​

Why would anyone, left or right, have a problem with rejoining if the deal was negotiated to be more fair?
Huh?
I can understand how a Canadian might have a problem with it if it is more fair to the US, but not a US citizen.


Fearandloathing said:
Maybe a list of what you hate and what you rate...'cause it changes hourly
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You are making a really foolish comment here.


Fearandloathing said:
That's the best you can do?
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Pointing out the fallacies in your posting is of course the best.
 
GDViking said:
If he is under investigation they do not have to tell him and they are allowed to lie and say he is not.
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No.


GDViking said:
Target for prosecution, not of prosecution...
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Oy vey! A distinction without a difference.
He is not a target of investigation. Which is totally different from being a target for prosecution.
Do you or do you not understand that you first have to be a target of investigation befor you are targeted for prosecution?


GDViking said:
Trump would be a witness because all of these people being investigated are associates of his,
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JFC! No.
In regards to the law, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.



GDViking said:
and even though he is in a position to not be prosecuted, you are delusional if you believe he was uninvolved.
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Again no. There is no information available to say he was involved in what they have been charged with.
 
Mycroft said:
Seems you have a lot of coincidental or circumstantial information mixed in with some "probably's" and "may have's" and some unanswered questions.

Tell me...has any one of those people actually told Mueller anything important?
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How would I know? I'm not on Mueller's team and he's not sharing information. But, if you are denying that these people are going to hurt Trump you are in fantasy land.
 
haymarket said:
Projecting a big spotlight on your delusional denial.
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I knew you would continue with your absurd projection as you clearly have nothing else.
 
Excon said:
I knew you would continue with your absurd projection as you clearly have nothing else.
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You are the one fixated on this silly PROJECTION nonsense - (which is weak and lame and school yard " I know you are but what am I' nonsense) and its aimed right at exposing your delusional denials. But go ahead and keep digging and let me know when you approach China as I could use some egg rolls.
 
Excon said:
One thing that hasn't occurred to those so feverish with TDS is that there is nothing to flip on.
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why would Mueller cut deals with the tRump associates who pleaded guilty if there was nothing he was going after
 
haymarket said:
You are the one fixated on this silly PROJECTION nonsense - (which is weak and lame and school yard " I know you are but what am I' nonsense) and its aimed right at exposing your delusional denials. But go ahead and keep digging and let me know when you approach China as I could use some egg rolls.
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Hilarious.
You are the one in denial here, regardless of the fact that you are the one engaged in school yard bs.

How many months have you been suggesting a person who has been charged would flip without providing anything of substance that they could flip on? Only to have none of these people flip. Yeah, you clearly are in denial of the absurdity of your own thoughts. But yeah, go ahead and keep digging.
 
justabubba said:
why would Mueller cut deals with the tRump associates who pleaded guilty if there was nothing he was going after
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What he was going after would be what he apparently thinks is their criminal conduct. So what pray-tell does that have to do with Trump who we know is not now a target of investigation?
 
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